EPT1. flanked by storms
2. not killing observers allowing BlinG to know exactly where he is
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darkcloud8282
Canada776 Posts
1. flanked by storms 2. not killing observers allowing BlinG to know exactly where he is | ||
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iAmiAnC
United Kingdom317 Posts
On March 19 2012 04:23 sushichef wrote: Two huge engagements at 200/200 for both players. Both times DeMuslim comes out with a ~30 supply lead. If that's not a win, then what is? Its not hard to come out of an engagement ahead when the Protoss vaporizes all their own Zealots with Storm. Did you notice the lack of 'win' when BlinG dispensed with the storming-his-own-Zealots manouver? That one 'win' for BlinG lead to him instantly winning the entire game. Distance wasn't a factor thanks to the magic of a forward Pylon. The moment DeMusliM went below 200 supply he could BEGIN queuing up some random bio which will randomly plop out of different Barracks in different locations at sightly differing times. Compare that to an instantaneous warp in of 25 Zealots in the same location at the same time without a build time. I guess you don't see many people complaining that the warp in mechanic and '300 supply Protoss army' is overpowered, but I'm certain it makes lategame TvP horrendously boring. The moment a Terran doesn't have a near perfect 200 vs 200 engagement they instantly get swallowed alive by a Zealot warp in. The "one and done" nature of lategame TvP (for the Terran) is just dull to watch. Too easy for Protoss to defend after a lost battle, too easy to instawin after a (even marginally) won battle. = Crap viewing experience, no excitement | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On March 19 2012 04:17 Supah wrote: You're not supposed to, but it's what happens RIGHT after an engagement with only 10 Gates and not re-using your Robo. and 3 1/2 bases mining. He made more Gates after that? I conceded the production error, but no one's touched on anything else besides guffawing and moving on. You might have watched the game, but I don't think you actually saw it. Or here, I'll do what you're doing. "Typical Terran QQ, watch the game the announcers just hyped Demuslim's position to keep the match interesting, he really didn't play all that well." Come on dude, that's silly; you don't think the points I brought up were bigger deals and not "straws"? The points I just made softened those "A LOT of terrible mistakes" and no, he didn't win two huge engagements, he traded two huge engagements when he should have won. I'm outa here as well. I guess winning every engagement until the last one, being ahead in workers, NOT floating resources, putting up expansions faster and being ahead in expansions doesn't constitute being ahead when it comes to TvP. News to me. | ||
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STYDawn
137 Posts
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give.ViviD
Sweden235 Posts
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Raambo11
United States828 Posts
On March 19 2012 04:36 SupLilSon wrote: I'm outa here as well. I guess winning every engagement until the last one, being ahead in workers, NOT floating resources, putting up expansions faster and being ahead in expansions doesn't constitute being ahead when it comes to TvP. News to me. It doesn't put you ahead, this hasn't been news to me for a long time, and for a lot of other players. Everyone knows the whole game no matter what happened previous, doesn't matter as long as you crush one engagement. Unfortunately for Terran though, even if you win the engagement you won't win as they can reinforce, you had to crush it to have any chance. This means emping every single unit, kiting perfectly target firing etc all at the same time | ||
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Kamwah
United Kingdom724 Posts
Too many game-changing units which can change an engagement and flow of a game in a few seconds. | ||
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freetgy
1720 Posts
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x0fff8
37 Posts
protoss have way more options than terran.. sure yes terran has options, but really? how many of them are actually viable or even usable? try to macro against toss? forget it, 15min and ull be facing some insane 3/3 army from the enemy. and not forgetting some random weird timings like the 3 immortal bust, 1 base colossus (instantly kills a 1 rax CC terran) try to all in, forcefields hold u out all day long. try playing against a protoss that doesnt miss forcefields (or miss too many) its just absolutely frustrating match up to play ... talk about late game.. i think after 15min mark, the terran may as well GG out to save time. | ||
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huehuehuehue
Estonia455 Posts
On March 19 2012 04:36 STYDawn wrote: the other day i had 7 zvzs in a row then 3 zvps. Too many zergs now. It seems zerg players are the only people determined to play the game anymore Yeah, I'm also facing a shitton of zergs on EU, I like it though cause TvZ is the best matchup in the game. | ||
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Tryagain4free
81 Posts
After reading through all these comments, even the troll-ones, I would like to add my specific point of view. I have to admit that I never played a single game of SC2. But due to some coincidence, I love watching the game. Back in the days I found the HDH Inventational, casted by Husky and HD. After that, I was in love with the game. I remember WhiteRa's proxy voidrays as well as TLO fungeling 5 Reapers at once in midair. After a while of watching, some things became certain for me. I would not cheer for Zerg. I would not cheer for Protoss. I would always salute the superior player. But never for terran. I hated these close spawn cheese stim a-move abusers just too much. Does anyone still remember a game of fruitdealer, staying on one base like forever, fending off 5 rax reaper and the high ground siegetank follow up on Lost Temple? Still putting up a grim fight. Still making the terran work for his op win. Seeing these things frequently made it feel allright agreeing to the terran nerfs and P and Z buffs. When they nerfed the BFH after the Slayer's MLG, I thought; Ok, maybe a bit preemtiv, But surely one less op terran strategy in the game. They will come up with the next strategy anyways. But then something odd happend. Me and a bunch of friends watched MVP versus Nestea finals of MLG Providence. After a set of amazing high voltage games it all came down to one map. And after 40 minutes of nervwracking, nailbiting and heart aching back and forth action, finally the decision came. Nestea sailed his 27 Broodlords into 12 Vikings and about 20 cloaked ghost, without detection and without his infestors. It was like PEW PEW PEW and the Brood 52's fell out of the sky like a bloody blizzard. I remember all of us yelling in pure delight, because it was just epic. After a few seconds we all fell silent, looking at each other in disbelieve. Did we really just cheer for a Terran? One of my friends, who actually really plays the game as Zerg broke the silence by muterring: Well, ghost op! While me and the other 4 guys told him not to bm. Because it was a well deserved victory. When I first saw the patch notes of 1.4.3 i was just thinking: Oh man. Don't do this. Please get me right here. I never was or will be a terran fanboy. There were a couple of good comments on the Patch-Thread where Z players said that 99% of Terran players would not notice the difference. And I agree. But killing snipe in TvZ just felt like a big bad guy goes ahead, breaking an old lady's crutch in half an then stating: Run for it Granny, I'll come for you in 3..2..1..! If i compare the number of games I've seen, where mass ghost in late game TvZ won the game, to the number of games, where mass zealot fire-and-forget-rockets decided the outcome of a late game TvP, I think we have winner here. Late game TvZ and TvP remind me of an olympic 100m sprint. There are 3 starters, but at the 50m line one attendant has to start jumping on just one leg to the finish line. I watch as much starcraft as possible. I like seeing GSL, I like seeing players like Huk stream. And even if I don't like Idra's personality, I still enjoy watching his skills on stream. But following korean Terran pros playing vs P, making the best use of a key building like the factory by transforming it into a giant observer, just baffles me. To all the sons of Aiur in this thread, teaching the terrans some lessons in using mass helion or mass ghost or bc and raven play, I have one question: Why don't the korean terrans do it? Is MarineKingPrime blind? Is Bomber too stubborn? Is Polt dumb? Is ForGG a noob? They don't do it, because it dosn't work at this state of the game. Instead they do what works in order to get them some money. And this is 111 and all kinds of funky allins plus bio, bio, bio. It's boring to watch, and, I'm assuming here, boring to play for both,P and T. To a certain degree I can undestand P and Z players in this thread, saying things like: Oh I love this terran tears! But in my eyes, thats just cheap! Terrans are indeed leaving the ladder atm. There are reasons. You can find them in this thread. It's not the end of the world, but it is an alarming trend for sc2 and its community in the long run. So I 've come to state the words, which I'd never thought would come over my lips: I honestly think that UGLY KID TERRAN NEEDS SOME LOVE Spread the word! Thanks for your time, GLHFGG | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On March 19 2012 05:10 Kamwah wrote: I've switched back to Protoss because Toss is just OP. There is really no other way of putting it. Too many game-changing units which can change an engagement and flow of a game in a few seconds. If you had some balls you would continue playing the hardest race bro. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
Just a random thought from a mid masters toss player. According to my replay archive, I've personally built a robotics bay in only 4 of my last 50 pvzs. | ||
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Kamwah
United Kingdom724 Posts
On March 19 2012 07:35 ZenithM wrote: If you had some balls you would continue playing the hardest race bro. Haha maybe so but when I don't really aim to improve much other than just through natural play I'd much rather have fun than be incredibly annoyed after every loss against a Toss because they're just the most OP race ever. | ||
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FloKi
1490 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 19 2012 07:35 ZenithM wrote: If you had some balls you would continue playing the hardest race bro. We should become friends | ||
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Uhlan
United States51 Posts
Only plat, but boy does tvp feel futile down here. The only thing that's keeping me from a full switch to toss is I don't find pvz particularly fun and tvz is my favorite matchup in the game. | ||
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
(p 1gate FE ofc) Terrans going 3 fast CC's and then starts to pressure is really hard to beat because: 1. teching to quick storm/collosi makes veeeery vulnerable to stim or stim/medivac timings, it's a gamble. 2. getting a third when you see his third makes it hard to defend multiple drops/attacks without loosing your third. 3. if you go the 'middle way', staying on 2base and safely tech you are pretty much all-in because his macro kicks in soon enough I agree T is harder to play than P, to a certain level. (which is quite high but still) Then it becomes rediculously hard for P to defend it and survive midgame | ||
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Jimbo77
139 Posts
Collosi thermal lance decreased from range +3 to +1.5 (also affects ZvP (that's in huge P favor)) Archon range decreased from 3 to 2.5 That would be balance. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
On March 19 2012 09:01 Jimbo77 wrote: Zealot charge must be decreased from range 4 to 2. HP from 100 to 80. Armor must be removed. Collosi thermal lance decreased from range +3 to +1.5 (also affects ZvP (that's in huge P favor)) Archon range decreased from 3 to 2.5 That would be balance. Really bad... Those would affect high level play(korea) where terran is already doing more than fine. | ||
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