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On March 19 2012 03:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:22 SupLilSon wrote:On March 19 2012 03:20 Plansix wrote:On March 19 2012 03:17 SupLilSon wrote:On March 19 2012 03:10 Plansix wrote:On March 19 2012 03:02 SupLilSon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +lol. Did anyone just see Demuslim vs BlinG in Lonestar Clash? BlinG takes the game after 2 failed attacks and terrible macro, floating 3k/2k while Demuslims macro is impeccable with a significant worker lead. oops spoilers I am going to need to see a VOD of that, because the game needs to get to a serious point of crazy if a protoss is floating 2k gas. There would have to be way more that 2 attacks for the game to even get to that point. I don't doubt that both things happened, but I need more information. The game literally just happened. IDK where the VODs are, they prolly aren't up yet. Demuslim just tweeted afterwards "Protoss is actually pretty bullshit." Yeah, from the live report thread it sounds like he got storm dropped a few times. But the end game matters less to me that the opening and knowing if Demuslim was behind to begin with. The majority of the time a protoss will try to deny future expansions rather then attack into a terran player, which drags out the game. Demu was up from the beginning. He went for 1 rax expo with an engi bay block and delayed Bling's expo ALOT. In fact, Demuslim's CC was over 3/4 done when Bling had just started his Nexus. Then he poked and saw bling had collosus. Started viking production immediately. Held Blings Collosus push, managing to come out 30 supply ahead. Manages to come out ahead in next fight thanks to EMP. Loses game because he is Terran. That sounds like a pretty standard TvP with 1rax FE vs 1 gate FE, including the engi block. However, starting viking production after the protoss has colossi out is pretty rough. Still, I will have to watch the VOD, since everything is so engagement dependent.
Are you supposed to just make vikings without scouting? Especially when Protoss metagame is going towards the heavy gate, double forge openings? He started viking production after his first 2 medivacs, right when his aggression spotted the first collosus. He started vikings at the perfect time, doesn't make a difference though.
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On March 19 2012 03:31 sushichef wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:26 Supah wrote:
What game were you watching? The two biggest engagements of the game, Bling lands Storms on the majority of Demuslim's army with no kiting and Demuslim still traded well. Economy was a wash until the 2 Medivac drop, but Demuslim basically evened it up by losing the Medivacs near the top of the map and then another couple with about 20 supply of units in the middle of the map. Ugh, no kiting? How did Bling's own zealots ended up running through those storms then? And how did DeMuslim come out 30 supply up twice then? He was ahead in SCVs the whole game, and was an expo up after that drop. Those storm drops DID look cool, but they didn't do much because of Demu's control. But then he slips up once and it's gg. Did you hear how surprised the casters were when Demuslim gg'd? They'd been talking about how much of a good position he was in. Did you watch the post-match interview? Bling HIMSELF, UNPROMPTED said "protoss imba, storms".
He came out ahead in the first one because he killed the Colossus with a minimum involvement from his Bioball, didn't crush the attack because the Storm drops nailed him. He came out 30 supply because he macro'd in the middle of the fight while Bling didn't, but a couple production cycles later it evened out because Bling had a lot of Gates. Second big engagement he kites back initially, HTs land Storms after the majority of the Zealots die, but Demuslim eats the Storms anyway, and so the fight evens out again. Both times he begins the fight great positionally, but doesn't micro out of it to crush it.
"Ahead in SCVs whole game" doesn't mean as much if you're that passive and you let the Toss get 2/2, Colossus, Charge, Blink, AND Storm right when the third pops. He was an expo up, but Bling still had 2 1/2 mining bases, and he didn't press and so let Bling remax with fewer Probes and Demuslim committed units elsewhere as well. His army was substantially smaller by the time that last engagement rolled out.
And, do you really think Bling was serious?
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tvp.. is there ANYONE besides a protoss player who think its balanced? name 1 non korean terran whos won anything in the past year? dont worry ill wait =).even in korea, name 1 GSL game where the terran won without being gimmicky?
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On March 19 2012 03:38 CarelessPride wrote:
tvp.. is there ANYONE besides a protoss player who think its balanced? name 1 non korean terran whos won anything in the past year? dont worry ill wait =).even in korea, name 1 GSL game where the terran won without being gimmicky?
Last time I checked this was a protoss vs Terran dick measuring contest, so terrans will generally say that.
Secondly, its no secret terran requires more tasking, but if you wish to bring up gsls... I'm sure in GomTvT, shit sorry Gomtv there have been many terran champions... and many MVP gsl games can be named, stop posting here please, it's getting out of control.
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I have not gone past 2 bases in TvP for the last.... 5 months i think? Previous to my 2-basing I tried to macro versus protoss but that just led to painful 40 minute losses vs protoss and an overall winrate of like 35%, now that i always 2base a protoss to hell i can atleast maintain a 50% winrate because half of the protoss on ladder are greedy as hell and die really easily to 2basing
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On March 19 2012 03:37 Supah wrote:
He came out ahead in the first one because he killed the Colossus with a minimum involvement from his Bioball, didn't crush the attack because the Storm drops nailed him. He came out 30 supply because he macro'd in the middle of the fight while Bling didn't, but a couple production cycles later it evened out because Bling had a lot of Gates. Second big engagement he kites back initially, HTs land Storms after the majority of the Zealots die, but Demuslim eats the Storms anyway, and so the fight evens out again. Both times he begins the fight great positionally, but doesn't micro out of it to crush it.
"Ahead in SCVs whole game" doesn't mean as much if you're that passive and you let the Toss get 2/2, Colossus, Charge, Blink, AND Storm right when the third pops. He was an expo up, but Bling still had 2 1/2 mining bases, and he didn't press and so let Bling remax with fewer Probes and Demuslim committed units elsewhere as well. His army was substantially smaller by the time that last engagement rolled out.
And, do you really think Bling was serious?
We can argue the details, but the bottom line is that Bling made a large number of slip-ups throughout the whole game, in terms of micro, economy and production whereas DeMuslim's played extremely well and looked ahead the whole game until the point where one good storm landed. It's not just me and people in this thread saying this, both Mr Bitter and Rotterdam kept talking about Bling's slip ups and how DeMuslim was ahead, and they were both surprised when that "gg" came.
Yes, I think Bling knows he shouldn't have won that first game, or at least not the way he did.
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On March 19 2012 03:45 sushichef wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:37 Supah wrote:
He came out ahead in the first one because he killed the Colossus with a minimum involvement from his Bioball, didn't crush the attack because the Storm drops nailed him. He came out 30 supply because he macro'd in the middle of the fight while Bling didn't, but a couple production cycles later it evened out because Bling had a lot of Gates. Second big engagement he kites back initially, HTs land Storms after the majority of the Zealots die, but Demuslim eats the Storms anyway, and so the fight evens out again. Both times he begins the fight great positionally, but doesn't micro out of it to crush it.
"Ahead in SCVs whole game" doesn't mean as much if you're that passive and you let the Toss get 2/2, Colossus, Charge, Blink, AND Storm right when the third pops. He was an expo up, but Bling still had 2 1/2 mining bases, and he didn't press and so let Bling remax with fewer Probes and Demuslim committed units elsewhere as well. His army was substantially smaller by the time that last engagement rolled out.
And, do you really think Bling was serious? We can argue the details, but the bottom line is that Bling made a large number of slip-ups throughout the whole game, in terms of micro, economy and production whereas DeMuslim's played extremely well and looked ahead the whole game until the point where one good storm landed. It's not just me and people in this thread saying this, both Mr Bitter and Rotterdam kept talking about Bling's slip ups and how DeMuslim was ahead, and they were both surprised when that "gg" came. Yes, I think Bling knows he shouldn't have won that first game, or at least not the way he did.
No, I'd contend he didn't make the larger amount of slip ups. Can you point out where Bling made substantially more errors? Do you really think ONE good storm landed that entire fight? They were harping on his banked money, nothing else from what I recall. They were surprised because right before the fight, Demuslim lost a chunk of his army, and prior to that he had been playing very safely for the most part.
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On March 19 2012 03:45 sushichef wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:37 Supah wrote:
He came out ahead in the first one because he killed the Colossus with a minimum involvement from his Bioball, didn't crush the attack because the Storm drops nailed him. He came out 30 supply because he macro'd in the middle of the fight while Bling didn't, but a couple production cycles later it evened out because Bling had a lot of Gates. Second big engagement he kites back initially, HTs land Storms after the majority of the Zealots die, but Demuslim eats the Storms anyway, and so the fight evens out again. Both times he begins the fight great positionally, but doesn't micro out of it to crush it.
"Ahead in SCVs whole game" doesn't mean as much if you're that passive and you let the Toss get 2/2, Colossus, Charge, Blink, AND Storm right when the third pops. He was an expo up, but Bling still had 2 1/2 mining bases, and he didn't press and so let Bling remax with fewer Probes and Demuslim committed units elsewhere as well. His army was substantially smaller by the time that last engagement rolled out.
And, do you really think Bling was serious? We can argue the details, but the bottom line is that Bling made a large number of slip-ups throughout the whole game, in terms of micro, economy and production whereas DeMuslim's played extremely well and looked ahead the whole game until the point where one good storm landed. It's not just me and people in this thread saying this, both Mr Bitter and Rotterdam kept talking about Bling's slip ups and how DeMuslim was ahead, and they were both surprised when that "gg" came. Yes, I think Bling knows he shouldn't have won that first game, or at least not the way he did.
"we can argue the details" boy this is all details you idiot, you and this mob of fools are saying that Demuslim played "perfectly", I pity how strawmen you all are. The reason he lost, was just listed above, all you say is "well i mean we all kidna felt this way, without details or analysis... but then you broke it down, but pfffft thats details, humbug"
Don't be foolish.
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On March 19 2012 03:50 Supah wrote:
No, I'd contend he didn't make the larger amount of slip ups. Can you point out where Bling made substantially more errors? Do you really think ONE good storm landed that entire fight? They were harping on his banked money, nothing else from what I recall. They were surprised because right before the fight, Demuslim lost a chunk of his army, and prior to that he had been playing very safely for the most part.
Behind in workers the whole game, doesn't micro his colossi (first engagement: colossus attacking a rax, etc), doesn't micro his zealots (runs through his own storms repeatedly), attempts storm drops but fails to kill much (and that's w/o many EMPs on the field), floats money like it's going out of style AND does not have an appropriate number of gates to spend it, loses a base to a drop etc etc. I may be a biased terran player -- but what about Rotterdam and Mr Bitter's comments throughout the game talking about how bad Bling was mechanically?
One storm is what killed DeMuslim -- he dodged 20 but lost to the first one that landed properly.
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On March 19 2012 03:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
"we can argue the details" boy this is all details you idiot, you and this mob of fools are saying that Demuslim played "perfectly", I pity how strawmen you all are. The reason he lost, was just listed above, all you say is "well i mean we all kidna felt this way, without details or analysis... but then you broke it down, but pfffft thats details, humbug"
Don't be foolish.
I suggest that you edit out the part where you insult me personally - mods seem to be watching this thread closely.
I supplied the details in more than one post, as did others. The casters said many of the same things, and Bling himself said the words "protoss", "imba" and "storms", unprompted. That's not enough for you?
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On March 19 2012 03:58 sushichef wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:50 Supah wrote:
No, I'd contend he didn't make the larger amount of slip ups. Can you point out where Bling made substantially more errors? Do you really think ONE good storm landed that entire fight? They were harping on his banked money, nothing else from what I recall. They were surprised because right before the fight, Demuslim lost a chunk of his army, and prior to that he had been playing very safely for the most part. Behind in workers the whole game, doesn't micro his colossi (first engagement: colossus attacking a rax, etc), doesn't micro his zealots (runs through his own storms repeatedly), attempts storm drops but fails to kill much (and that's w/o many EMPs on the field), floats money like it's going out of style AND does not have an appropriate number of gates to spend it, loses a base to a drop etc etc. I may be a biased terran player -- but what about Rotterdam and Mr Bitter's comments throughout the game talking about how bad Bling was mechanically? One storm is what killed DeMuslim -- he dodged 20 but lost to the first one that landed properly.
He completely ate one big storm early on after storm was done, but then he ate another 4 or 5 from the storm prism while he was in retreat.
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On March 19 2012 03:58 sushichef wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:50 Supah wrote:
No, I'd contend he didn't make the larger amount of slip ups. Can you point out where Bling made substantially more errors? Do you really think ONE good storm landed that entire fight? They were harping on his banked money, nothing else from what I recall. They were surprised because right before the fight, Demuslim lost a chunk of his army, and prior to that he had been playing very safely for the most part. Behind in workers the whole game, doesn't micro his colossi (first engagement: colossus attacking a rax, etc), doesn't micro his zealots (runs through his own storms repeatedly), attempts storm drops but fails to kill much (and that's w/o many EMPs on the field), floats money like it's going out of style AND does not have an appropriate number of gates to spend it, loses a base to a drop etc etc. I may be a biased terran player -- but what about Rotterdam and Mr Bitter's comments throughout the game talking about how bad Bling was mechanically? One storm is what killed DeMuslim -- he dodged 20 but lost to the first one that landed properly.
Again, behind in workers the whole game doesn't matter if you wait for the guy to max out and get everything he wants anyway. Shit, if I could max out and get all my ugprades with my initial 6 workers, I'd do it everytime. More workers =/= better just for the sake of it. More workers was even a detriment in the last fight.
Again, I talked about the Colossus (one Colossus is not going to change the tide of a fight with Medivacs out, sorry). He lost 2 prior to that, which was great, but in that same engagement he stood in Storms; Zealots in Storms is a byproduct of bio standing in it and dying while the Zealots are left over. Storm drops WERE effective, you couldn't see very well if you didn't pay attention because the Medivacs were covering up a lot of the army, but just looking where the Zealots were hacking away.
He floats money because that's how Protoss works. You use it in large bursts. Notice he didn't remake Colossus either, so the money is going to go down even more slowly. Bling didn't get the production facilities up, yeah, but after the initial fight he did, so it was a wash later on.
He lost a base to a drop, but Demuslim lost an army to move command and didn't relocate his army after the Warp Prism/Proxy Pylon play near the fourth and fifth. And again, losing that 5th wasn't that big of a deal because Bling still had some at his second, his third, and his fourth.
edit: it's a HUGE insult to the player if you really think he was serious about that. Unprompted? He was interviewed post game about how he won.
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On March 19 2012 03:58 sushichef wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:50 Supah wrote:
No, I'd contend he didn't make the larger amount of slip ups. Can you point out where Bling made substantially more errors? Do you really think ONE good storm landed that entire fight? They were harping on his banked money, nothing else from what I recall. They were surprised because right before the fight, Demuslim lost a chunk of his army, and prior to that he had been playing very safely for the most part. Behind in workers the whole game, doesn't micro his colossi (first engagement: colossus attacking a rax, etc), doesn't micro his zealots (runs through his own storms repeatedly), attempts storm drops but fails to kill much (and that's w/o many EMPs on the field), floats money like it's going out of style AND does not have an appropriate number of gates to spend it, loses a base to a drop etc etc. I may be a biased terran player -- but what about Rotterdam and Mr Bitter's comments throughout the game talking about how bad Bling was mechanically? One storm is what killed DeMuslim -- he dodged 20 but lost to the first one that landed properly.
Yep that's pretty much late game TvP. Take ONE storm, take a couple of Colossus shots on your bio, and you're dead. Don't forget the zealots that never die, and the warp in that follows.
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On March 19 2012 03:41 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:38 CarelessPride wrote:
tvp.. is there ANYONE besides a protoss player who think its balanced? name 1 non korean terran whos won anything in the past year? dont worry ill wait =).even in korea, name 1 GSL game where the terran won without being gimmicky? Last time I checked this was a protoss vs Terran dick measuring contest, so terrans will generally say that. Secondly, its no secret terran requires more tasking, but if you wish to bring up gsls... I'm sure in GomTvT, shit sorry Gomtv there have been many terran champions... and many MVP gsl games can be named, stop posting here please, it's getting out of control.
please name one =) hmm i watched every recent GSL match and Im fairly sure you dont have a clue what your talking about. And its funny you point out mvp because tvp is by far his worst match up. and since when after the ghost nerf has a terran actually beatten a toss late game in GSL? if you cant be specific then keep those useless words to yourself 
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On March 19 2012 04:08 Supah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:58 sushichef wrote:On March 19 2012 03:50 Supah wrote:
No, I'd contend he didn't make the larger amount of slip ups. Can you point out where Bling made substantially more errors? Do you really think ONE good storm landed that entire fight? They were harping on his banked money, nothing else from what I recall. They were surprised because right before the fight, Demuslim lost a chunk of his army, and prior to that he had been playing very safely for the most part. Behind in workers the whole game, doesn't micro his colossi (first engagement: colossus attacking a rax, etc), doesn't micro his zealots (runs through his own storms repeatedly), attempts storm drops but fails to kill much (and that's w/o many EMPs on the field), floats money like it's going out of style AND does not have an appropriate number of gates to spend it, loses a base to a drop etc etc. I may be a biased terran player -- but what about Rotterdam and Mr Bitter's comments throughout the game talking about how bad Bling was mechanically? One storm is what killed DeMuslim -- he dodged 20 but lost to the first one that landed properly. Again, behind in workers the whole game doesn't matter if you wait for the guy to max out and get everything he wants anyway. Shit, if I could max out and get all my ugprades with my initial 6 workers, I'd do it everytime. More workers =/= better just for the sake of it. More workers was even a detriment in the last fight. Again, I talked about the Colossus (one Colossus is not going to change the tide of a fight with Medivacs out, sorry). He lost 2 prior to that, which was great, but in that same engagement he stood in Storms; Zealots in Storms is a byproduct of bio standing in it and dying while the Zealots are left over. Storm drops WERE effective, you couldn't see very well if you didn't pay attention because the Medivacs were covering up a lot of the army, but just looking where the Zealots were hacking away. He floats money because that's how Protoss works. You use it in large bursts. Notice he didn't remake Colossus either, so the money is going to go down even more slowly. Bling didn't get the production facilities up, yeah, but after the initial fight he did, so it was a wash later on. He lost a base to a drop, but Demuslim lost an army to move command and didn't relocate his army after the Warp Prism/Proxy Pylon play near the fourth and fifth. And again, losing that 5th wasn't that big of a deal because Bling still had some at his second, his third, and his fourth.
Lol. Stop grasping at straws, it's kinda pathetic. There's no two ways around it. Demuslim was playing a MUCH better game than BlinG. You're supposed to be floating 3k with protoss off of less than 10 gate ways? News to me... You're not convincing anyone. To anyone who actually saw the game, it's quite clear you are wrong.
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On March 19 2012 04:08 Supah wrote:
Again, behind in workers the whole game doesn't matter if you wait for the guy to max out and get everything he wants anyway. Shit, if I could max out and get all my ugprades with my initial 6 workers, I'd do it everytime. More workers =/= better just for the sake of it. More workers was even a detriment in the last fight.
Again, I talked about the Colossus (one Colossus is not going to change the tide of a fight with Medivacs out, sorry). He lost 2 prior to that, which was great, but in that same engagement he stood in Storms; Zealots in Storms is a byproduct of bio standing in it and dying while the Zealots are left over. Storm drops WERE effective, you couldn't see very well if you didn't pay attention because the Medivacs were covering up a lot of the army, but just looking where the Zealots were hacking away.
He floats money because that's how Protoss works. You use it in large bursts. Notice he didn't remake Colossus either, so the money is going to go down even more slowly. Bling didn't get the production facilities up, yeah, but after the initial fight he did, so it was a wash later on.
He lost a base to a drop, but Demuslim lost an army to move command and didn't relocate his army after the Warp Prism/Proxy Pylon play near the fourth and fifth. And again, losing that 5th wasn't that big of a deal because Bling still had some at his second, his third, and his fourth.
edit: it's a HUGE insult to the player if you really think he was serious about that. Unprompted? He was interviewed post game about how he won.
The point here is that Bling made A LOT of terrible mistakes throughout the game -- but it ended up not mattering because of that storm in that last engagement. Demuslim wins two huge engagements and snipes a base -- doesn't matter. Bling wins one, it's gg.
I'm not insulting Bling, he played the 2nd game perfectly, but he was answering a question about his most fun game and he was talking about Grubby... and then he utters "protoss imba, storms... always fun to beat a terran" randomly.
I'm out of this thread.
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On March 19 2012 04:11 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 04:08 Supah wrote:On March 19 2012 03:58 sushichef wrote:On March 19 2012 03:50 Supah wrote:
No, I'd contend he didn't make the larger amount of slip ups. Can you point out where Bling made substantially more errors? Do you really think ONE good storm landed that entire fight? They were harping on his banked money, nothing else from what I recall. They were surprised because right before the fight, Demuslim lost a chunk of his army, and prior to that he had been playing very safely for the most part. Behind in workers the whole game, doesn't micro his colossi (first engagement: colossus attacking a rax, etc), doesn't micro his zealots (runs through his own storms repeatedly), attempts storm drops but fails to kill much (and that's w/o many EMPs on the field), floats money like it's going out of style AND does not have an appropriate number of gates to spend it, loses a base to a drop etc etc. I may be a biased terran player -- but what about Rotterdam and Mr Bitter's comments throughout the game talking about how bad Bling was mechanically? One storm is what killed DeMuslim -- he dodged 20 but lost to the first one that landed properly. Again, behind in workers the whole game doesn't matter if you wait for the guy to max out and get everything he wants anyway. Shit, if I could max out and get all my ugprades with my initial 6 workers, I'd do it everytime. More workers =/= better just for the sake of it. More workers was even a detriment in the last fight. Again, I talked about the Colossus (one Colossus is not going to change the tide of a fight with Medivacs out, sorry). He lost 2 prior to that, which was great, but in that same engagement he stood in Storms; Zealots in Storms is a byproduct of bio standing in it and dying while the Zealots are left over. Storm drops WERE effective, you couldn't see very well if you didn't pay attention because the Medivacs were covering up a lot of the army, but just looking where the Zealots were hacking away. He floats money because that's how Protoss works. You use it in large bursts. Notice he didn't remake Colossus either, so the money is going to go down even more slowly. Bling didn't get the production facilities up, yeah, but after the initial fight he did, so it was a wash later on. He lost a base to a drop, but Demuslim lost an army to move command and didn't relocate his army after the Warp Prism/Proxy Pylon play near the fourth and fifth. And again, losing that 5th wasn't that big of a deal because Bling still had some at his second, his third, and his fourth. Lol. Stop grasping at straws, it's kinda pathetic. There's no two ways around it. Demuslim was playing a MUCH better game than BlinG. You're supposed to be floating 3k with protoss off of less than 10 gate ways? News to me... You're not convincing anyone. To anyone who actually saw the game, it's quite clear you are wrong.
You're not supposed to, but it's what happens RIGHT after an engagement with only 10 Gates and not re-using your Robo. and 3 1/2 bases mining. He made more Gates after that? I conceded the production error, but no one's touched on anything else besides guffawing and moving on. You might have watched the game, but I don't think you actually saw it.
Or here, I'll do what you're doing. "Typical Terran QQ, watch the game the announcers just hyped Demuslim's position to keep the match interesting, he really didn't play all that well." Come on dude, that's silly; you don't think the points I brought up were bigger deals and not "straws"?
On March 19 2012 04:16 sushichef wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 04:08 Supah wrote:
Again, behind in workers the whole game doesn't matter if you wait for the guy to max out and get everything he wants anyway. Shit, if I could max out and get all my ugprades with my initial 6 workers, I'd do it everytime. More workers =/= better just for the sake of it. More workers was even a detriment in the last fight.
Again, I talked about the Colossus (one Colossus is not going to change the tide of a fight with Medivacs out, sorry). He lost 2 prior to that, which was great, but in that same engagement he stood in Storms; Zealots in Storms is a byproduct of bio standing in it and dying while the Zealots are left over. Storm drops WERE effective, you couldn't see very well if you didn't pay attention because the Medivacs were covering up a lot of the army, but just looking where the Zealots were hacking away.
He floats money because that's how Protoss works. You use it in large bursts. Notice he didn't remake Colossus either, so the money is going to go down even more slowly. Bling didn't get the production facilities up, yeah, but after the initial fight he did, so it was a wash later on.
He lost a base to a drop, but Demuslim lost an army to move command and didn't relocate his army after the Warp Prism/Proxy Pylon play near the fourth and fifth. And again, losing that 5th wasn't that big of a deal because Bling still had some at his second, his third, and his fourth.
edit: it's a HUGE insult to the player if you really think he was serious about that. Unprompted? He was interviewed post game about how he won. The point here is that Bling made A LOT of terrible mistakes throughout the game -- but it ended up not mattering because of that storm in that last engagement. Demuslim wins two huge engagements, doesn't matter. Bling wins one, it's gg. I'm not insulting Bling, he played the 2nd game perfectly, but he was answering a question about his most fun game and he was talking about Grubby... and then he utters "protoss imba, storms... always fun to beat a terran" randomly. I'm out of this thread.
The points I just made softened those "A LOT of terrible mistakes" and no, he didn't win two huge engagements, he traded two huge engagements when he should have won.
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On March 19 2012 04:17 Supah wrote:
The points I just made softened those "A LOT of terrible mistakes" and no, he didn't win two huge engagements, he traded two huge engagements when he should have won.
Two huge engagements at 200/200 for both players. Both times DeMuslim comes out with a ~30 supply lead. If that's not a win, then what is?
If anything, you're arguing one of wider point of this whole thread. Protoss can mismicro his colossi and zealots and lose big engagements and yet just not die. Then terran makes a mistake in one big engagement and it's over.
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On March 19 2012 04:23 sushichef wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 04:17 Supah wrote:
The points I just made softened those "A LOT of terrible mistakes" and no, he didn't win two huge engagements, he traded two huge engagements when he should have won. Two huge engagements at 200/200 for both players. Both times DeMuslim comes out with a ~30 supply lead. If that's not a win, then what is? If anything, you're arguing one of wider point of this whole thread. Protoss can mismicro his colossi and zealots and lose big engagements and yet just not die. Then terran makes a mistake in one big engagement and it's over.
The actual armies traded. Demuslim had much more production, so that's the difference you see. Notice the army eventually evened out. You're arguing with the assumption that your reasoning is sound, which it just isn't. He didn't mismicro his Zealots and the Terran didn't ONLY make one big mistake in one engagement.
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20 ladder games this week. 10 vs protoss, 7 vs zerg, 3 vs random, 0 vs terran.
Terran does seem to be disappearing.
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