Where did all of the terrans go? - Page 34

On March 13 2012 01:30 LRObot wrote:


I don't see what's so hard about balancing around all leagues. Here's how you do it. Create seperate patches. One for the GSL tier/KR-gm and one for the rest of us (masters - gm). There. If and when the various strats trickle down to the lower leagues and it too becomes obviously imbalanced, they patch it out as well. I say "out" because that's what Blizz basically does. Reapers, thors v P, tanks v P lategame, ghosts v Z, etc.

What would be the negative consequences that come of this?

On March 13 2012 02:04 Plansix wrote:


You can't be serious? You want a seperate patch for lower level players? So you want a different, easier game to play because you don't want to spend the time getting better? What is going on, is this really TL? If you want a game where they don't balance for the highest level of play, then don't play SC2. Go play another game that requires less time and effort. No one on TL wants a game that is balanced for people who want to put in minimal effort and don't want to try to be as good as the professionals.

On March 13 2012 02:14 LRObot wrote:


And you can't think that balancing for only the highest tier can't have adverse affects on the lower tiered players who play this game unlike progamers that devote their entire time to playing this game. I already said that blizz was going to balance for the highest level of play but they would also consider everyone below as well.

I'll ask you this. Is this game balanced around the lower leagues?

On March 13 2012 02:21 IPA wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=320041

I know that is a small sample but it at least shows that there isn't as much wrong with the race as most of the whiners would have you believe. "It's not my fault, IT'S MY RACE!!111!"

On March 13 2012 02:04 Plansix wrote:


What is going on, is this really TL?

On March 13 2012 02:28 crydee wrote:
Lack of foreigner success with Terran is an indication. Yes there have been some T foreigner success but not as much as foreigner P or Z have enjoyed. I can't recall the last time a foreign T was in top 3 in a major Lan.

On March 13 2012 02:27 petro1987 wrote:


You should at least read the OP before posting. What the hell the number of players in GSL for each race has to do it with this thread for god's sake.

On March 13 2012 02:24 Plansix wrote:


I think you are confused and believe I care about the "adverse" affects on the lower leagues. I do not want this game balanced around them. I do not want a game that is balanced for someone who thinks "It is to hard to be at good as the pro's in Korea. I wish the game were easier." I do not want people who desire that to be playing or having any influance on balance or the design of the game.

I don't have a lot of time to play SC2. But when I do, I want to play a game that rewards people who work hard. If someoone has more time than me and practices, they should beat me. Otherwise it cheapens any wins I get and the time I spend practicing. People who just want to win and be able to put in a few hours a week should play something else.

On March 11 2012 21:03 Zeetox wrote:
My stats for this season (I'm high diamond T):



Also, I think it's worth to say, that out of those 7 wins vsP, 4 are 1/1/1 all-ins with pulling all the scvs, and 3 wins are pure mech, containing opponent on 2 bases and waiting for him to all-in (quite a TvT style).
When I was trying to play "standard" I was getting a-moved by deathballs with like 80-90 APM, while I had ~180 APM, and was dropping as much as I could, denying bases etc. during the whole game. When it was coming to the final engagements, the score was pretty even, but then P was just warping in like 20 Zealots in the middle of the battle and I was screwed.

And for those who say, that I should micro better - 75% win ratio in TvZ didn't came from nowhere, it requires as much if not more micro than other matchups. Therefore, I consider TvP as a retarded and imbalanced matchup and a reason for lack of Terran players on the higher levels. Thanks for attention and to all the Terrans out there - pray for HotS to come out ASAP.

On March 13 2012 02:24 Plansix wrote:


I think you are confused and believe I care about the "adverse" affects on the lower leagues. I do not want this game balanced around them. I do not want a game that is balanced for someone who thinks "It is to hard to be at good as the pro's in Korea. I wish the game were easier." I do not want people who desire that to be playing or having any influance on balance or the design of the game.

I don't have a lot of time to play SC2. But when I do, I want to play a game that rewards people who work hard. If someoone has more time than me and practices, they should beat me. Otherwise it cheapens any wins I get and the time I spend practicing. People who just want to win and be able to put in a few hours a week should play something else.

On March 13 2012 02:39 LRObot wrote:


The current trend is every Terran player is struggling globally and that includes the likes of pro terrans as evidenced by their lack of success in tournaments. This is what I mean by "lower leagues." I myself am not there yet and it would require a tremendous amount of effort to get there which I absolutely don't mind. You must think I want the opposite. These are players that DO NOT put minimal effort and time to the game but are affected the most when Blizzard only balances for the highest tier.

On March 13 2012 02:58 Plansix wrote:


I have never seen any evidence to support that beyond a bunch of terrans who post in threads such as this one about how hard the late game is vs both races. As I stated in previous posts, no replays are posted in these threads, no proof provided. Just a bunch of post complaining about how hard it is to win at their current level. "Why are there no replays?", you may ask. Because then people could point out what they did wrong or what they need to fix, and that would be productive.

There appear to be no problems in Korea, as there are still more terrans than protoss or zerg in the GSL. There are currently only 4 Zerg is GSL. But you don't see a thread about how broken zerg is or using their lack luster numbers in the GSL, claiming that only DongRaeGu and NesTea can make them work.

And people who claim they have gotten to masters and now can't beat protoss/zerg do not impress me either. Your rank has nothing to do with how skilled a player you are. If you need proof of this, just look up Bad Habit's thread on how to get to GM off of 6 pooling. He has done it for several seasons. Is someone going to tell me that he is an amazing, robust player? No, they are not, becaue is isn't. People can get very high in the ladder and not have a robust understanding of the game.

In short, if the proffesional players are doing well, you should download their replays and spend some time reviewing them.