Where did all of the terrans go? - Page 11

On March 11 2012 17:22 MockHamill wrote:
There are 4 core skills in this game:
Macro
Micro
Multitasking
Decision making

At GSL level you need all 4 at high level for all of the races. For Terran you need all 4 even at lower levels, while Macro and Decision making is sufficient for most Zerg/Protoss players. So it simply takes more skill to play Terran compared to Protoss and Zerg except at pro level where it evens out.

On March 11 2012 18:12 MandoRelease wrote:


I would very much like see what facts do you use to base your opinion. Afaik what you said is simply not true, and it just seem that it is what Terran players choose to think because they can't handle that their race used to be by far the easiest to play because it used to be by far the strongest.
With no intention of being rude or whiny, let me say this. My personnal opinion is that it has been really hard for Terran player to accept that their ~50% wins (Bnet ladder experience) used to be because of their race and not because of their skill. At the time, P&Z requiered more skill to play to place in the same league as T.
I don't believe there was an actual shift in skill requierement to place in the same league, things actually evened out. Which means that Terran players need to do more things now that they used to. And it doesn't mean that they need to do more than Z or P players.

I know, I know, some of you will call me delusional, like always, if that's the case, please don't bother replying.

On March 11 2012 18:19 VoO wrote:


Which league do you play in?

On March 11 2012 12:41 Noocta wrote:


Don't know man. I keep saying the same thing to myself to justify me opening 2rax TvP but with every pro doing 1rax FE i feel guilty as fuck.

On March 11 2012 14:03 Shasta37 wrote:
I'm not sure that these stats mean there are less terran players total. It does look like terran is the least played race at the moment probably for the reasons that have already been mentioned about high skill ceiling and late game issues with the race (reliance on tier 1 units and awful reinforce capabilities). I still think there is a large portion of the playerbase who play terran but I do believe they haven't been playing the game recently.

I'm a masters terran and I know I haven't been playing the 1v1 ladder near as much as I have pre 1.4.3. I'm sure there are many terrans that are doing the same by either switching race for the moment or playing other games until the game changes. The current state of the game has made Starcraft 2 frustrating and annoying to play for terran right now.

It's been said before that its expected that terran do all these tricks and somersaults in the early game and mid game to get far enough ahead of their opponents to just overwhelm them in stuff. While having the ability to do early game pressure is nice, the game shouldn't demand you to play that way to be balanced. A lot of the time, terrans who have very good macro mechanics and would like to play longer games with zerg and protoss sell themselves short on purpose because they understand that if the other player has the same caliber of mechanics they are at a disadvantage. We see this especially in the TvP matchup.

Unfortunately, this makes for uninteresting (and frankly unfun) games for Terran to play, where each game the Terran player is wondering "Well, let's see if he knows how to hold this all-in or not". And so we have an entire race of players more or less playing games that really just depend on if their opponent makes some early game fatal mistakes. This can be fun occasionally (for the lulz) but gets stale pretty quick and doesn't make laddering to improve compelling.


TL;DR

Anyways, I didn't mean for this to be long but I think the race distribution is still quite healthy but you won't find the % of Terrans increasing anytime soon until Blizzard gives them a reason to want to play Starcraft 2 and not AllinCraft 2.

On March 11 2012 18:48 [Silverflame] wrote:
Confirmed. I am diamond Terran and my favorite MU is TvT, but I get T only 1 out of 10 times...

On March 11 2012 18:52 Befree wrote:
Maybe all that shaming from opponents at the end of games like "play a real race" "you'd never win if you weren't terran" "terran is such a joke" "you are terrible" finally got to some people. Surprisingly that kind of talk/attitude from the early retail/late beta is still rather pervasive in ladder... Sometimes it hurts my feelings .

On March 11 2012 18:20 MandoRelease wrote:


Lowest of master, EU.

On March 11 2012 18:51 ThatGuy89 wrote:
the number do suggest that there arent as many terrans, but 1/10 times and 2/15 times or whatever you say vs get TvT must be either unlucky or made up. The % differnce is tiny in most cases, in 10 games you should still be getting 3 terrans on average, if you dont its just chance, nothing to do with race balance -_-

On March 11 2012 18:52 Befree wrote:
I always imagined that racial distributions were primarily based on how interesting a race looked to individual players (as well as some other factors), and not really about the perceived strength of that race. As long as there was not too much imbalance, I would think the vast majority of players would choose to play the race which they find most interesting, not whichever seems to be the strongest that month.

Why Master/GM racial distribution (a 24,000 player sample) would change so much I do find curious, though. I really can't think of why there would be such a change. I think Terran had a big population bump at the start because of the campaign and such, but I don't know if the decline in that original bump would be able to account for this.

As for the survey question part, I quite enjoy the Terran match ups. I think TvP is definitely my favorite, probably because I play it the most and I feel most comfortable with it. I don't play TvT's that much, and always feel less comfortable in them, so I would say that is my least favorite.

When you compare Terran matchups to other races, from my perspective I don't see why that would deter people. Every Terran match up is reasonable and able to be fun. When you look at Z/P, you have to start dealing with the ~1/3 of your matches which are ZvZ or PvP. Matches which I find to be far less satisfying, and far less helpful at my improving as player.

Weakest: TvZ
Middle: TvP
Strongest TvT

Maybe all that shaming from opponents at the end of games like "play a real race" "you'd never win if you weren't terran" "terran is such a joke" "you are terrible" finally got to some people. Surprisingly that kind of talk/attitude from the early retail/late beta is still rather pervasive in ladder... Sometimes it hurts my feelings .