Where did all of the terrans go? - Page 10

On March 11 2012 17:23 habeck wrote:
Master here, i played like 5 or 6 tvts of my last 10 games so i don't know, there is more terrans then zergs i gues,

On March 11 2012 17:16 riff wrote:


What evidence do you have to support this assertion?

On March 11 2012 11:26 mazqo wrote:
Well i got some stats from high masters/gm from EU server since 1.1.2012
Protoss account:
Total games 730
- 317 PvP (43%)
- 246 PvZ (34%)
- 167 PvT (23%)

Terran account:
Total games 1157
- 461 TvP (40%)
- 375 TvZ (32%)
- 321 TvT(28%)

As you can see there are less terrans in highmasters/gm. And my protoss account is ~top50-100 gm and my terran is rank100-200 master(sc2ranks, eu), which means i play higher level opponents with my protoss account, so there are more protoss and zergs in top top top of the ladder.

Yes, i play a lot.

On March 11 2012 17:30 svefnleysi wrote:
I love how Zerg's weakest match up is ZvP and Protoss' weakest match up is PvZ.

On March 11 2012 17:43 tomatriedes wrote:
If a terran learnt how to 1-1-1 properly they could win 80-90% of their games up until diamond. I played against a terran in plat who did 1-1-1 and never harassed with his banshees just sat in his base until his push was ready to go and let me eco unmolested. How do you get to plat and not know how to do that? I tried switching to terran one time to see how difficult pulling off 1-1-1 was. I went 9-1 in my first 10 TvPs not even using the hotkeys (the only game I lost, I fucked up my wall off and let some DTs in). I play against terrans in plat who stim up my ramp when I'm still on one base without scanning. How do you even deserve to be in plat when you do brainless stuff like that and then try to call protoss imba? Almost no terrans at my level use drops properly- if you want to turtle to 200/200 and not harass why the hell choose terran? I played on the KR server and all the terrans play as aggressive as hell- they understand the match up so much better there. Terran is the mid-game aggression race- embrace that, learn to drop properly and I'm sure you'll win a lot more.

On March 11 2012 17:30 svefnleysi wrote:
I love how Zerg's weakest match up is ZvP and Protoss' weakest match up is PvZ.

On March 11 2012 11:49 forsooth wrote:
I quit playing 1v1 ladder. Blizzard's constant nerfs to everything that isn't a marine or marauder finally got too much and I walked away. I was tired of tanks (and my other factory units) being useless in TvP, annoyed because of how much better bio TvT came after the blue flame nerf, and the ghost nerf was the final straw that made Blizzard's incompetence too much for me to take. Absolutely none of the patches have made SC2 a better game to play from a Terran perspective. We keep getting forced into more and more specific strategies and it's at the point where TvT is the only matchup left that allows for any sort of stylistic freedom in a standard game. TvP will forever be bio as long as colossus exists and tank damage sucks and TvZ is moving quickly toward mech being mandatory to stand a chance in the late game. Meanwhile, Protoss and Zerg continue to be able to utilize almost their whole tech tree (sans carriers) in every matchup but their own mirrors, which have remained pretty weird since day 1.

You were getting hit with 1/1/1 all the time because a lot of us are fed up with TvP and how bad the matchup is on every level. When I used to play and I hit a Protoss on ladder, I'd flip my coin with a cheese, hope it worked, and move on in the hopes that I'd get a Terran or Zerg next so I could play a game that wasn't retarded by default.

On March 11 2012 14:03 Shasta37 wrote:
I'm not sure that these stats mean there are less terran players total. It does look like terran is the least played race at the moment probably for the reasons that have already been mentioned about high skill ceiling and late game issues with the race (reliance on tier 1 units and awful reinforce capabilities). I still think there is a large portion of the playerbase who play terran but I do believe they haven't been playing the game recently.

I'm a masters terran and I know I haven't been playing the 1v1 ladder near as much as I have pre 1.4.3. I'm sure there are many terrans that are doing the same by either switching race for the moment or playing other games until the game changes. The current state of the game has made Starcraft 2 frustrating and annoying to play for terran right now.

It's been said before that its expected that terran do all these tricks and somersaults in the early game and mid game to get far enough ahead of their opponents to just overwhelm them in stuff. While having the ability to do early game pressure is nice, the game shouldn't demand you to play that way to be balanced. A lot of the time, terrans who have very good macro mechanics and would like to play longer games with zerg and protoss sell themselves short on purpose because they understand that if the other player has the same caliber of mechanics they are at a disadvantage. We see this especially in the TvP matchup.

Unfortunately, this makes for uninteresting (and frankly unfun) games for Terran to play, where each game the Terran player is wondering "Well, let's see if he knows how to hold this all-in or not". And so we have an entire race of players more or less playing games that really just depend on if their opponent makes some early game fatal mistakes. This can be fun occasionally (for the lulz) but gets stale pretty quick and doesn't make laddering to improve compelling.


TL;DR

Anyways, I didn't mean for this to be long but I think the race distribution is still quite healthy but you won't find the % of Terrans increasing anytime soon until Blizzard gives them a reason to want to play Starcraft 2 and not AllinCraft 2.