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Nightsz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 10:03:17
March 11 2012 10:02 GMT
#221
Really? Because I've been asking where'd all the protoss players went. Its been completely zergcraft on NA. And looking at my SC2Gears history...

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2.36 games/day is WAAY different from 1.56 and 1.6.

Perhaps blizzard balances ladder for each individual based on their worst matchup..........?

TENTHST
Profile Joined December 2010
United States204 Posts
March 11 2012 10:03 GMT
#222
See, threads like this are a by-product of Blizzard making Terran stupidly overpowered in the first 6 months of this game.

Now, all of the "a a t a a a" bio players are crying because their abusive strategy that promoted them into diamond league no longer works.

Think about it like this: you get two aspiring baseball players. you give one a corked bat and another a standard bat. the kid with the corked bat seems to be a much better player than the kid with the regular bat.
but then, one day, you realize that its unfair that one has a corked bat while the other doesn't. so you take away the corked bat and force him to use an official bat, and suddenly he isn't performing so well. this, in turn, leads to frustration on his part, and he declares baseball an unbalanced game which causes him to quit it forever.
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4558 Posts
March 11 2012 10:04 GMT
#223
On March 11 2012 19:03 TENTHST wrote:
See, threads like this are a by-product of Blizzard making Terran stupidly overpowered in the first 6 months of this game.

Now, all of the "a a t a a a" bio players are crying because their abusive strategy that promoted them into diamond league no longer works.

Think about it like this: you get two aspiring baseball players. you give one a corked bat and another a standard bat. the kid with the corked bat seems to be a much better player than the kid with the regular bat.
but then, one day, you realize that its unfair that one has a corked bat while the other doesn't. so you take away the corked bat and force him to use an official bat, and suddenly he isn't performing so well. this, in turn, leads to frustration on his part, and he declares baseball an unbalanced game which causes him to quit it forever.


Not a single T GSL winner in the first 6 months of the game ... stupidly overpowered hmm?
nface
Profile Joined June 2011
106 Posts
March 11 2012 10:07 GMT
#224
Many switch to Protoss, because it's so easy to play and TvP at the moment is really a joke..
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
March 11 2012 10:08 GMT
#225
Agree with the OP. I hate TvP. Not because is to hard though, but because bio is the only way to play(IMO).

Since the hellion nerf i played very few games and when TvP, i just did some 2 port banshe or proxy rax.

From a spectator's point of view i also hate TvP. For me, Terran is all about siege tanks and positional play. That MMM + kiting (every single macro game) that is TvP is just awful
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Pugwalker
Profile Joined September 2011
50 Posts
March 11 2012 10:09 GMT
#226
On March 11 2012 19:01 SpeCtor wrote:
Too all the people who are hating TvP, instead out grinding out the same strat every game and losing, try new builds till you find one that you feel comfortable.

I first starting out with a marine only 2 rax into expand which could catch many Protoss' out. However once I started to lose to all ins, I started the Conc Shell 2 rax into expand which allowed me to scout the protoss to see if they were on 1 base, and if not allow me to end up expanding way before them due to a nexus cancel. As the meta game changes you cant afford too keep on doing the same on stuff, its like doing a 1 rax expand when the current metagame in a 3 gate robo or 4 gate all in.

Keep working Terrans, I went from Diamond Toss into Diamond Terran and loved every minute! BRING BACK THE TERRANS

Openers are not the issue in tvp. Terrans get advantages in the early and midgame all the time just like protoss does. The problem is that their advantages are negated by protoss's superior late game armies and reinforcement. I don't think terrans struggle all that much with protoss mid game so build orders are not the problem. Also, unless you can micro like polt 2 rax openers are not the best, gasless fe is the way to go. Another thing, if the current metagame was 3 gate robo and 4 gate all in, I would gasless expand every game because it would be an auto win against both those builds. The only build I really think gasless fe struggles against is a 1 base blink stalker all in which is still holdable.
Penecks
Profile Joined August 2010
United States600 Posts
March 11 2012 10:11 GMT
#227
On March 11 2012 19:03 TENTHST wrote:
See, threads like this are a by-product of Blizzard making Terran stupidly overpowered in the first 6 months of this game.

Now, all of the "a a t a a a" bio players are crying because their abusive strategy that promoted them into diamond league no longer works.

Do people really still believe this? Every race has builds you can do to get into masters pretty easily. I actually was a Z player during the timeframe you are speaking of, and I got into the old diamond league via 1 base roach rushing half of my games. I guess all of those 4 gating Protoss players put on their reading glasses and became macro pros though, huh.
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marcesr
Profile Joined June 2008
Germany1383 Posts
March 11 2012 10:12 GMT
#228
In EU about 50 out of 200 GMs are Terran and almost every European online cup is won by Zerg unless Polt plays in it. You hardly ever see a foreign Terran winning an online cup or being the best foreigner at a big tournament.

It should be obvious that Terran is the weakest race outside of Korea. Meanwhile in Korea Terran is still the most successful race so you cant really patch to solve this problem.
Nightsz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada398 Posts
March 11 2012 10:13 GMT
#229
Perhaps the question isn't "Where did all the terran players go?" but rather it should be "Where did all these zerg players come from?"
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
March 11 2012 10:13 GMT
#230
I have very few tvts. When I get home ill post my statistics. I think it's like 1/5 of my games.
Arachne
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
South Africa426 Posts
March 11 2012 10:13 GMT
#231
On March 11 2012 11:19 IMoperator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 11:18 DGenerate wrote:
You should come back here when you have a sample of at least 100 before this discussion can continue imo.

http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all



Hang on a second, what happened to 20% 20% 20% 20% 18% 2% for bronze silver gold plat diamond masters?
masters is 4% and bronze is 30%? Diamond is 8% now? wut?
If I were a rich man, I wouldn't be here
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
March 11 2012 10:16 GMT
#232
Okay I'm pretty sure that blizzard uses your best & worst match-up to balance your winrate around 50%.
I noticed this since from the beginning of this season I have had a lot more protoss opponents than I had TvZ and TvT, my two worst match-up.
So basically check your winrates you'll be able to have more terrans depending of this
WriterMaru
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
March 11 2012 10:17 GMT
#233
Terran is hard at plat/diamond levels. Its really hard to be cost efficient with your armies, and unfortunately for Terran, it is very hard to use alternative compositions that aren't the standard mmm / marine tank armies. I would love to try mech vs Zerg, but you have to learn bio sooner or later.
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 10:19:00
March 11 2012 10:17 GMT
#234
edit: blah misread
fraktoasters
Profile Joined January 2011
United States617 Posts
March 11 2012 10:20 GMT
#235
On March 11 2012 19:04 Laurens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 19:03 TENTHST wrote:
See, threads like this are a by-product of Blizzard making Terran stupidly overpowered in the first 6 months of this game.

Now, all of the "a a t a a a" bio players are crying because their abusive strategy that promoted them into diamond league no longer works.

Think about it like this: you get two aspiring baseball players. you give one a corked bat and another a standard bat. the kid with the corked bat seems to be a much better player than the kid with the regular bat.
but then, one day, you realize that its unfair that one has a corked bat while the other doesn't. so you take away the corked bat and force him to use an official bat, and suddenly he isn't performing so well. this, in turn, leads to frustration on his part, and he declares baseball an unbalanced game which causes him to quit it forever.


Not a single T GSL winner in the first 6 months of the game ... stupidly overpowered hmm?


You're trying to make a point using the fact that the 3 players that first won a GSL wasn't Terran... 3 people..... again this is about sample size.
Dzerzhinsky
Profile Joined March 2011
Scotland327 Posts
March 11 2012 10:20 GMT
#236
On March 11 2012 19:13 TheEconomist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 11:19 IMoperator wrote:
On March 11 2012 11:18 DGenerate wrote:
You should come back here when you have a sample of at least 100 before this discussion can continue imo.

http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all



Hang on a second, what happened to 20% 20% 20% 20% 18% 2% for bronze silver gold plat diamond masters?
masters is 4% and bronze is 30%? Diamond is 8% now? wut?

sc2ranks takes into account everyone who has played a game this season. The league percentages only take into account those who are actively playing.
"All science would be superfluous if the outward appearance and the essence of things coincided directly."
Synapze
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada563 Posts
March 11 2012 10:27 GMT
#237
So both toss and zerg chose versus terran as their easiest matchups. Almost sums up how I feel as a terran player tbh. I don't pretend to be fantastic, and my attitude probably holds me back, but as a top 3 masters terran its quite disheartening for me every tvz/tvp. I constantly feel like it takes more for me to win. More of what, I'm not sure. Micro, macro, apm, multitask...

But I kinda like that.
Yuri Victoria LMJ ~♥
Drunken.Jedi
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany446 Posts
March 11 2012 10:29 GMT
#238
On March 11 2012 19:13 TheEconomist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 11:19 IMoperator wrote:
On March 11 2012 11:18 DGenerate wrote:
You should come back here when you have a sample of at least 100 before this discussion can continue imo.

http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all



Hang on a second, what happened to 20% 20% 20% 20% 18% 2% for bronze silver gold plat diamond masters?
masters is 4% and bronze is 30%? Diamond is 8% now? wut?

Those percentages do not refer to the entire population of players but just to active players. However, Blizzard never explained how they define "active" players, so the 20% 20% 20% 20% 18% 2% claim cannot really be verified or valsified and isn't very informative in the first place.
Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 10:30:07
March 11 2012 10:29 GMT
#239
Terran has got to the point where its just boring and painfull to play versus Protoss, and impossible lategame. TvZ is very hard, but doable.
Blizzard nerfed us to much, it's a fact, and it's showing now.
What you're looking at could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn't. It's the beginning. Introducing Mr. John Valentine, air traveler. His destination: the Twilight Zone...
Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
March 11 2012 10:30 GMT
#240
It's all about TvP mate.

I'm having fun in TvT, I'm having a lot of fun in TvZ, I'm crying and want to hit F10-N when my opponent is Protoss. It feels like accelerating into a wall... the longer the distance (time...), the harder you will get smashed.

Also yeah, I'm was not born nor raised in Korea, if that's relevant.
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