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Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
March 10 2012 09:01 GMT
#81
Yeah. You can´t play Basketball if you aren´t tall, you can´t play SCII on a high level if you lack the skill. Don´t ask me what skill that is. Besides being young haha.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
March 10 2012 09:08 GMT
#82
Stop wasting time watching replays and just play. Try to choose builds that will stretch you the most and not cheap all ins just for the sake of getting wins. No point watching replays in plat.
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
March 10 2012 09:08 GMT
#83
On March 10 2012 12:45 wajd wrote:
So what do you do when you reach your skill ceiling?

You identify something you are doing wrong in your build order.

Then you play against the PC at normal speed, where it's so slow and boring it's insane ...

Then you do everything perfectly. Note all timings, timings for everything including units, buildings, scouting, never getting supply blocked, doing everything just perfect - even better than the pros at normal games.

Then you do it again on faster game speed, and note that it's hard as hell even though you know exactly what you want to do.

Then you try doing it in real games.

And ... wow, you improved

In addition, for practicing purposes, it's always good to always do the same build for a long time, because that way you know how to react and play that build do the best of your ability. Then you do a different build for a while, etc.

Finding a practice partner is perfect for this, because then you can practice the same build vs the same race consistently, while on ladder you need to practice at least 3 builds (4 including random, if you don't just 6 pool them like I do to get it over with) which is ineffective in comparison.
stokes17
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1411 Posts
March 10 2012 09:11 GMT
#84
Any1 can reach masters if they put their mind to it. Just have a better player look at a few of your replays. He'll give you 5-7 things to work on. I promise you can physically move your hands fast enough to do everything you need, it's all about learning things.

fighter2_40
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States420 Posts
March 10 2012 09:17 GMT
#85
You don't hit a ceiling, impossible is nothing. Playing with such a closed mindset is just harmful. Reality is your mind.
snooks
Profile Joined October 2011
7 Posts
March 10 2012 09:22 GMT
#86
Everyone can play basketball. Even people in wheelchairs can do it in a competitive level. Set yourself one at a time goals. 'Reaching Masters' is a long term goal. I'd guess you need to work on macro and mid/late game strats to reach masters so do this at first.

Break your big goal up into smaller steps.

Question what youre doing, if its the right thing or you're just following a guide blindly.

You need to question your motives and why you are doing it, every little thing you do should have a goal.
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
March 10 2012 09:24 GMT
#87
On March 10 2012 17:42 DaemonX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 17:41 Blezza wrote:
I would try switching race to Zerg or Terran. You might lower your rank a bit but i imagine that in the long term it will be better for you.

And I think this is exactly what NOT to do. This just means you lose 80% of the lessons you actually have learned, though you might not realise it. It also validates the notion that it's the game that is the issue, not your methods of approaching your play.

I race switched in Season 2, from Zerg to Terran. I have regretted it many times. I eventually got back to, and exceeded my skill level with the new race, but it was a scrubby thing to do and it cost me many months of improvement, as well as validating false mental reactions to losing like 'imbalance'. It turned out that I really was more interested strategically with Zerg anyway, but switching races again is even more daunting.

Switching races can be detrimental for your skill yes, but in some cases it can actually inject some fresh blood into your play which will allow you to surpass your perceived "skill ceiling". I can attest to that, because I played Terran at first and climbed through the ranks until I got to high platinum, at the point where I also thought that I had reached my skill ceiling. So for a few weeks I did not really play ladder, but still continued playing a lot of custom 1v1s. Eventually I decided I could just as well try Protoss out, and incidentally Protoss became my favourite race from there on (I also played a lot with Zerg). Therefore I soon played ladder again, at the start of a new season. It wasn't that hard to cope with the skill level at the time, as I played hundreds of custom games with Protoss beforehand. After that I just kept on laddering with Toss and lo and behold, two weeks ago I finally made it into Diamond. For me this is a personal achievement, and shows that with determination anything is possible. Now onto that elusive Master league
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virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
March 10 2012 09:27 GMT
#88
ask me again in 10000 games.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
March 10 2012 09:36 GMT
#89
So, if you work out 5-6 times a weak and still fail to win a triathlon...do you stop doing sports altogether?

Unless you are trying to make a living out of playing, why would you want to stop just because you aren't rising on the ladder? Why not just play because it's...well...fun?
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Monkeyballs25
Profile Joined October 2010
531 Posts
March 10 2012 09:38 GMT
#90
A few options
-Switch race
-Focus on farming achievements(not in an abusive way, mind you)
-Play off the wall builds, like BC rushes
-Quit playing. Sticking with any videogame for a year and a half is fairly unusual, when you think about it.
Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
March 10 2012 09:41 GMT
#91
You don't reach your skill ceiling. When people ''reach their skill ceiling''. It basically means the game has gotten to hard for them and they aren't willing to put in the effort to improve. Playing 100 games on auto-pilot won't make you improve.
Lowko
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands286 Posts
March 10 2012 09:41 GMT
#92
Pass me some replays, I'm sure I can point out a lot of mistakes and things to work on. Hope you don't mind it if I'm being picky. (Sent PM)
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ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
March 10 2012 09:45 GMT
#93
On March 10 2012 12:45 wajd wrote:
So what do you do when you reach your skill ceiling? When you've tried everything to get better, meaning - watching your own replays, downloading replays, practicing every day, laddering, watching streams, watching live events, reading strategy threads, trying to seek coaching when you can't afford it, asking questions whenever you can... I mean everything. And none of it works. When you have been the same rank for a year and half. When you join a custom game, and you end up playing a master, and the game isn't even remotely close. (im a protoss plat)

When you want to be serous with this game and it just isn't happening. Do you have to just suck it up and tell yourself to give up this dream, and stop playing? Accept the fact that this game is so easy for alot of people, but I'm not one of them.

So what do you do when you reach your skill ceiling?


I feel exactly this way, been stuck at Diamond since the launch of this game, but I just keep playing anyway for some hope of getting better. Though I don't see it happening. =[
Luppa <3
LisKelicious
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany36 Posts
March 10 2012 09:48 GMT
#94
I think some people need 3-10 Years to get a good SC2 Player, there are humans who playing Chess for more then 20-30 years and they are still improving his SKILL.Its ur mind set , just learn to deal with loses, and play on.If u really try to get a pro Player, then u need to do it like a Job.Every day 8-12 hours of playing, and believe me u improve as u want or not
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Zealot Lord
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 09:55:42
March 10 2012 09:54 GMT
#95
I doubt your skill has stopped improving, you just don't notice it because of the fixation people have that rank/league = skill. Don't forget that everyone else who is actively playing is also getting better at the same time. Actually, the fact that you aren't getting demoted means your sc2 abilities are better than before as well, but you aren't improving at an above average rate is all there is to it. Guarantee you everyone that is "stuck" in their league would easily crush their old self if they played against each other.
Beef Noodles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States937 Posts
March 10 2012 10:02 GMT
#96
Yeah, I don't know how you reached your ceiling. Sounds more like you are in a rut. Whenever I hit a rut, I work on my mechanics. I grind out multi-tasking custom maps until I can follow my build and max out 200/200 in my sleep. After doing that for about 9 months I went from 70 apm to 200. Then you go back to ladder and crush nerds at your old level (unless they do a really clever build or outsmart you). Improving your mechanics is a really great way to make the game "easier."
FrOsTyy
Profile Joined November 2010
United States125 Posts
March 10 2012 10:10 GMT
#97
I don't know how well you play. But I can assure you, if you are in platinum and I was watching you in real life, there are things masters players do that you are both physically and mentally capable of doing that you are not doing. This thread makes me sad because it seems maybe you've had poor guidance. I do believe you can get better, but if your not having fun doing it and you feel you've reached your limit, maybe you should throw in the towel.
I'd love to get your help!
vvv
Profile Joined October 2011
13 Posts
March 10 2012 10:13 GMT
#98
If you're the same rank now than you were 1 1/2 years ago, then you've been improving A LOT. The overall level of the ladder has increased tremendously. Silver players now have 120 APM, do correct build orders with multi-prong harass etc. Just take a look at the VODs of the first GSL, you're probably better now than was FruitDealer.
goldenwitch
Profile Joined August 2010
United States338 Posts
March 10 2012 10:14 GMT
#99
There are a bunch of people out there on the vast expanse that is the internet who believe that mastery of any specific discipline requires 10000 hours of deliberate practice. That means practice time spent specifically trying to work on your game, practice time where your brain is actively propelling your skill level.

Until you hit that 10000 number, you can't be confident in your analysis of where your skill lies relative to your maximum potential skill.

I find 10000 hours to be both reassuring and daunting for the same reason. I won't hit 10000 hours for a long long time.
Animostas
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States568 Posts
March 10 2012 10:17 GMT
#100
That sounds like a mental block more so than an actual skill ceiling.
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