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How much do you play? How are your Mechanics? You can't go past a certain level in SC2 if you aren't accurate with your mouse, and can't multi task well, (there are guides about that, enhanced mouse precision being off etc etc.)
It's why when you see a game with a masters player and a gold player, the gold player's APM at the END of the game is going to be less than 1/2 of that of the Masters player (the Masters player simply can do more things at once in the game).
Mechanics are pretty underrated when it comes to the topic of "improving". You could have the in-game knowledge of Artosis, but if you can't multitask well enough to execute all of that knowledge, then suddenly all of that "studying" of the game instead of actually playing it seems kind of silly.
Things that could improve your mechanics-
-Turn off Enhanced Pointer Precision, this seriously made my mouse accuracy sky-rocket combined with practice.
-Turn up your Scroll speed/ Mouse sensitivity (this is debatable, but IMO if you can still be accurate but move around faster, it's obv going to help multi-tasking.. same goes with in-game scroll speed.)
-Hotkeys, get used to using more instead of just 1-4 or something (I use up to 8, as well as f1 through f4 for camera save locations.
-"Think" about improving your APM / multitasking. I think a coach, maybe from OGS, said that the only way to improve APM is to actually think about doing it while playing. Play faster (if you watch huk stream, try to play like him.. very fast paced.)
hope this helps :S
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I'm in much the same situation (plat protoss which has had game for about year and a half), and I would say with confidence that you haven't reached your skill ceiling and you probably never will. That said, you say you've done everything you can to improve, how many games have you played? Some things are harder for some people, but don't get discouraged by it if you still enjoy playing the game. If you still enjoy playing it, then go for it don't quit cause things are hard now. Maybe you need to change the way you practice since what your doing now isn't working, but mostly its just about time put into playing.
But if you no longer enjoy the game then maybe is time to move on. I don't want to discourage you, but this is how I felt, that although I didn't try everything to improve (I only have ~450 ladder wins as reference), I didn't enjoy playing enough to try and get better and didn't feel like it'd be worth the time I put in, so now I've been playing other games and maybe I will change my mind in the future, but for now I don't see myself playing too much SC2.
tl;dr You probably haven't reached your skill ceiling, and if you still like playing then keep playing and if not, maybe should consider other games.
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On March 10 2012 12:59 insanet wrote:
geez, he is saying HIS skill ceiling, not sc2 skill ceiling.
GEEZ, WRONG, he's talking about YOUR skill ceiling, as in the community.
EDIT: He is asking a question to everyone
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no such thing.
Increase your mouse sensitivity = become better.
improve your hotkey setup = become better
watch replays of your losses and identify mistakes = become better
refine your build orders to 35 supply = become better
and of course, play more = become better
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Well if you stay in in plat (or well anything but bronze really) for a year you are slowly improving. By all logic plat is harder now than a year ago.
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No such think as reacing the limits of your skill until you give up and stop trying to improve. It doesn't work the other way around.
You can always get better, even when the progress is so small that you don't notice it. Plateaus happen in every skillful thing you try to advance, and working past them is the sign of the best players/athletes in the world.
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So what do you do when you reach your skill ceiling?
There is no skill ceiling.
Accept the fact that this game is so easy for alot of people, but I'm not one of them.
You are wrong here too. It's "easier" for a lot of people, because they realize its their own play that is messed up, not making excuses.
When you've tried everything to get better, meaning - watching your own replays, downloading replays, practicing every day, laddering, watching streams, watching live events, reading strategy threads, trying to seek coaching when you can't afford it, asking questions whenever you can... I mean everything. And none of it works.
Try harder.
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There's no reward for getting better, unless it makes you feel good. If you don't have fun playing, there is no reason to.
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I got to masters as Zerg but couldnt get above 600 points. I went to MLG orlando 2011 and competed...won my first match but lost to my next 2 opponents(i technically went 2-2 cause I got a forfeit win over xSixMaker or something like that)...and after MLG I still couldn't get above a certain point total. I realized I never would...and quit SC2 and took up LoL and other games just for fun. So yeah you can just quit or try really hard to get better.
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You know what i do in this case ?
I punch myself a little, and say " shut up brain and play better ".
You can do better. Put that in your mind until you believe it like it's your birth date.
That's pretty much the way Naniwa play the game btw. Just be hard on yourself because byou know you can do better.
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what many people forget is that often you have to get worse before you can get better, if you're not improving then you need to start forcing yourself to practice something that will improve your play, say your apm is stuck around 60-80, force yourself to do everything you were doing at 60-80 apm, 10% faster, regardless of if you misclick or w/e. force yourself to do it as absolutely quickly as you can and as you keep playing you'll become more and more accurate and more and more useful with the higher apm that you're training yourself for, but that's just an example, maybe you're strategies are simply figured out and outdated, practice the hell out of what works now until it clicks. just watching people play and studying replays really isn't enough, its not truly EVERYTHING that you can do to improve.
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play more. watch replays/read forums less.
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On March 10 2012 12:48 glyoArtOfWar wrote:
you destroy the floor and lay a new foundation
Poetic....
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I really doubt your skill ceiling is plat, just refine your basics and keep practicing. Go to LAN's and watch what other players do/talk to them about the game. Often there's a bunch of small things you havent fixed holding you back.
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You are all pretending like the human factor doesn't matter in this scenario, this is a game after all, even if it were your job and you were 3 time GSL champion, how long can you conceivably play SC2 for, 5 years? 10 years? 15 years? How long is competition going to be relevant to your skill level past that point. Individual skill ceilings DO exist simply in terms of a peak in a player's performance which is often dictated by external factors like motivation, lifestyle, free time, etc; theorizing and saying that unless you were using 100% of your brain and muscles etc is ridiculous because it's actually harmful to try to devote parts of your brain / muscles to tasks its not suited for. Getting philosophical like SC2 is the pursuit of a life time for everyone is silly (just as saying it's just a game for fun for everyone is silly). OP clearly voiced it as his personal experience of trying as hard as possible and reaching a point where he's become emotionally frustrated and is losing interest / motivation in trying (hence the thread); just play for fun and if you enjoy competitive play try your best.
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there is no such thing as ceiling...for a player or the game. you can always get better and there we always be a reward from the game for playing better
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If you're plat then you're obviously not at your skill cieling. And stop trying so hard. Just play and try to have fun with the game, that will improve your mechanical skill which is the only thing you need to reach masters.
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Give yourself some handicaps, like you can't use a certain unit or something.
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If you really think you even have a skill ceiling, then you have some more psychological problems that you should confront for the greater well-being of your life, far beyond starcraft.
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