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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
eSports drama is the worst drama. | ||
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aRRoSC2
Denmark241 Posts
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iloveAthene
186 Posts
On March 09 2012 18:04 Eschaton wrote: Outlawing slavery didn't give blacks the right to vote, or equal rights in any way. It's been a very long and bloody process, and to suggest otherwise is extremely ignorant. Yeah, people that don't realize how things are and have been here can't really comment intelligently on the subject. There are towns to this day in the South blacks simply do not dare enter. Now, I'm against most "politically correct" bullshit but there things some things you can't deny. For example, I refuse to use the word "African American." It seems to include the assumption that all people from Africa have dark skin. This ignorance of the continent does offend me. | ||
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oBlade
United States5904 Posts
On March 09 2012 18:04 Eschaton wrote: Outlawing slavery didn't give blacks the right to vote, or equal rights in any way. It's been a very long and bloody process, and to suggest otherwise is extremely ignorant. There has been a lot of "...and disagreeing is pure ignorance" in this thread - it's lost its rhetorical power. I happen to agree with you, but it's clear in your original post that you were talking about slavery, which is plainly ancient. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On March 09 2012 18:08 LeLfe wrote: I don't think EG had much of a choice but Alex handled it well. Btw I do think that the ones contacting the sponsors before EG had any chance to reply are hurting esport more than orb did with his out of line behavior It sounds really silly to me anyway. 'Something happened on the internet, I'm gonna go complain against some companies' Who would waste their time doing that. | ||
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RG.Snowman
United States14 Posts
" On March 09 2012 12:50 kibeth wrote: " I actually find your post overly condescending and obnoxious, and I like EG as an organization. It's kind of like if I stole a toy from a grocery store when I was 8. Later in life I work there, and somehow someone finds out that a decade ago I stole a 99cent toy, and I was fired. Sounds ridiculous right? because it basically sums up how I feel about that. Lets bring it down to scale. I don't swear in my day to day life. Sorry if you don't believe me but I don't. Though I'd be lieing if I said I've never called someone a dumb f**king piece of sh*t b**tard. If my boss found that I out I don't think he would fire me, even if I changed one of those words to your scary "N" word. Who knows, maybe it's because I'm black. Secondly stop giving the word power. I had to stop reading for a few moments at the part where you talked about your degrees. I think whoever wrote that post should be fired for offending black people, because your entire post is way more offensive than some kid raging on starcraft. Its more of a slang word now a days and even when its said offensively too me I don't run home crying. It's the same as being called weird or dumb to me, people just give it all this power. I feel the same way about homosexual people claiming the word "gay" for themselves. Both me and my gay friends don't understand this, but I don't want to start a fire fight here so back to the point.... Sadly I don't speak on behalf of all my people in the world. So I clarify that I don't think this situation is dumb so much as the people who bring it about. To anyone who thinks getting some kid FIRED for TYPING a WORD on THE INTERNET while he was MAD doesn't deserve to have their opinion even counted... In my opinion of course. Now if he said it on air or something, or said it with the intent of being racist then we'll sit down and talk. Like I said though, to my knowledge this isn't the case. If it is please tell me so I can delete this post and go on living my marry life. P.S. Look between these lines | | You see that? Those are all the f**ks my family gives about people using the word. | ||
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ShinobiX
Germany33 Posts
On March 09 2012 17:58 oBlade wrote: MLK isn't relevant to your original post, which was talking about slavery. The US outlawed the slave trade in 1808 and outlawed slavery in 1865. We are in 2012. You could call him a fucking dumbass if you wanted, he'll feel insulted because you're a stranger, not because he's black. Yes, but while being an offensive person, you would not be an offensive racist person. Which is the point here, isn't it? | ||
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mememolly
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 09 2012 18:07 Vei wrote: This, imo, is a 100% fine opinion. However, it's the reason why Alex fired orb. He fired him because of opinions regarding racism, not that it's just not an acceptable behavior to do once you're a "professional." In his OP, he does discuss at length about important the values, cultural standards, and overall maturity of the SC2 community are to him. I think exhibiting nerd rage that includes racial slurs, even on personal time, crossed the Alex's personal threshold from being a 'pain in the ass' (IdrA rage) to being indefensible, unjustifiable behaviour that makes us look like spoiled, culturally oblivious dicks. Let's put it this way: I don't think even Juggaloos call each other niggers. And those guys make being a filthy dirtbag something to be celebrate. | ||
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ShinobiX
Germany33 Posts
 Edit: Also, I think white people using "Nigger" is more amusing in a way. Does anyone feel like people like Orb using this word expresses their inner deep desire to be like 2Pac, Snoop etc? :D Who knows, it might me a form of admiration, on a psychological level! Yes, I'm trolling, but think about it... It's true sometimes. Watch that scene from the last Clint Eastwood movie.  | ||
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Merlimoo
France192 Posts
But from another perspective, at a time of global recording of you every action, a lot of people think we should maintain the right to fail, to learn, to make mistake, to be forgiven and to be forgotten. You cannot force people to behave a certain way, fearing to make a mistake when they are 10y old, for a future career. You cannot expect people to be genuin in this kind of environnement. You can only guide them in the "right" path. For for me being genuin is even more important. Firing him without even letting him a chance to redeem himself, sounds like a retaliation for what happened to you in 2003. And I deeply think that forgiveness should be a more important value than everything else. | ||
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iloveAthene
186 Posts
On March 09 2012 18:20 Defacer wrote: In his OP, he does discuss at length about important the values, cultural standards, and overall maturity of the SC2 community are to him. I think exhibiting nerd rage that includes racial slurs, even on personal time, crossed the Alex's personal threshold from being a 'pain in the ass' (IdrA rage) to being indefensible, unjustifiable behaviour that makes us look like spoiled, culturally oblivious dicks. Let's put it this way: I don't think even Juggaloos call each other niggers. And those guys make being a filthy dirtbag something to be celebrate. I can guarantee you that quite a few parents and grandparents of Juggaloos DO call black people niggers though :D | ||
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give.ViviD
Sweden235 Posts
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
This entire case reminds me of a case we had in Norway some months back were a "hillbilly"-band won an award at a national musicshow and were Madcon (a african-norwegian rap-duo were the ones giving away the price). The hillbilly band won with their song Møkkamann, and in the heat of the moment the singer of the band tried to be funny by telling Madcon that they would now rename their song to Moccaman (a very bad and embarrassing joke). But the singer didn't mean no harm by it, he didn't mean to offend anyone by it, and he just hadn't thought i through, and made a silly comment while being over the top happy with winning an award he didn't think he would win. What was more embarrasing than the comment was the reaction from the "elite" after. During their performance the audience (the cultur elite of norway (or at least those who think they are)) started throwing things on them on stage. Others threathened to beat up the entire band. The reactions from different celebrities on twitter and facebook were filled with hate towards the band. This reaction was indeed an overreaction, and wouldn't have happend if a more "acceptable" band won the award, if a band with alot of cred won it (and not a crappy hillbilly band) and did the same joke the outrage would be nowhere near the same. The end of the story though was that after the "elite" and the media had slammed the hillbilly band, the majority of people had sided with the hillbilly band, because of the over the top reactions to an unfortunate comment. The band got more known, and is more popular than ever. And all this for a shitty, bad taste joke, that should be frowned upon but not lead to such a witchhunt. In this case, just like the case with the hillbilly band, there is an elite, who allways take the moral highground, who get "outraged" and blow things out of proportions. What they don't understand is that when they blow stuff like this out of proportions they shift the focus from real racism, which still is a problem all over the world. Also they water out the term racism, into the point were it doesn't mean anything, and were people can be called a racist over nothing, while the real racist get off the hook. Sure frown upon the use of the n-word, but if you want to fight racism (and not just want to front yourself as a moral superiour induvidual) start looking elsewhere. | ||
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sephuys
United States43 Posts
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Niggers_R_Us
1 Post
I mean really, I think you all need to Relax guy. Sincerely Nigger_R_Us User was banned for this post. | ||
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whatwhatanut
United States195 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:55 Tijoy wrote: i personaly think this is one of the best lines reguarding that word i ave ever read It is a great example of a "and sentence". If you have a large vocabulary sentences that use 2 adjectives or adverbs for everything sound very erudite. I cannot agree with EG and their behavior. Orb definitely martyred himself but as I have seen throughout this thread, and from my personal experience, what is the punishment for Incontrol and Idra fr constantly calling others F---? EG seems to be having it both ways. Unless they presume that players do not need to stand to the same standard. | ||
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Drmooose
United States390 Posts
That said, I don't condone racism or homophopic comments and try my best to avoid them at all costs. There are plenty of other things to call someone. Orb made a mistake and he paid for it. I completely understand EG's stance and agree with the decision. That said I hope Orb can make a comeback. I wasn't a big fan or hater but he was improving and showed he cared about the game. Best of luck to both. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4733 Posts
Anyway, I really cannot understand the huge implication using this single word can have, but I guess when sponsors getting harassed over this, action is necessary. | ||
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murphs
Ireland418 Posts
...Now, I just wish you guys would also get this upset when people use the word f----t, so that we could start fighting homophobia, too, and show people that it, like racism, also doesn't belong in our community . Hell yeah. Brilliant post. You have great values and we need more people like you in the world | ||
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