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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 05 2012 17:10 GMT
#21
SC2 need a frontpage with general chat channels. That would do so much.
And that's like 1 day of work by Blizzard to make that.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Noro
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada991 Posts
March 05 2012 17:10 GMT
#22
If you aren't being social in SC2 then I think that's no ones fault but your own.
Blizzard implemented chat systems and ways to do basically everything you did in BW.
If you really need to have a giant chat box in your face to be social in that game, then you really are the laziest person in the world. It takes two clicks to open a chat window. =/
Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me.
Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
March 05 2012 17:10 GMT
#23
isn't it silly how you can't even scroll up in chat without getting flipped to the bottom as soon as someone else types something?

isn't it nonsensical how people who are ignoring you are allowed to send you chat messages?

"See you space cowboy"
tenklavir
Profile Joined November 2010
Slovakia116 Posts
March 05 2012 17:12 GMT
#24
On March 06 2012 02:07 Type|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 02:03 tenklavir wrote:
I don't understand complaints of SC2 being a "ghost town".

In Brood War, I'd log in, get dropped into a USEast chat room, get spammed by bots, see a couple people arguing about something dumb, and jump out of the chat as fast as I could. In SC2, the original outcry when chat channels were left out was unreal. You'd think that when you log on now, you'd see something more than "There are 648 users in public chat rooms".

The entire quote from that article reads, "I had fun playing game X, and now I'm not having fun playing game Y because it feels like a ghost town" with no actual explanation as to why it feels so or how to fix it. This guy is seriously talking about D2? Sure it's social...log on and enjoy your wall of bot spam.

People complained that SC2 wasn't social because there were no chat rooms. Blizz adds them, and now it's generally less than 1000 people in public chats and people still complain that SC2 isn't social.


Did you play Broodwar only in its final stage... where the community was very small and elitist actually? Because I still remember europe battle.net , fun chats in DEU-1. Strategy chat or overall fun in op ToT). Even hanging out on US.West op ClanBy op D.T- or any other channel, it was always social and even though there could be a time where actually no one would write a word, you were never alone.

I don't think how they introduced chat-channels into Starcraft or implemented them was the right way to do it, but its certainly better than just a friend list..Why can't I have a small editor/console like chat when I'm in battle.net?

Bring back /w /f m etc..

and give me the function to watch replays TOGETHER, PLEASE!


What you're describing then is that the "very small and elitist" group that played bwar then wants the same experience now. By definition your small and elitist group is likely exclusionary of lesser players...how is this "social" or does it give other a sense of community on Bnet? You know you can round up your friends from back then, pick a chat name, and have everyone jump in there when they log on Bnet 2.0.

I do agree with you about replay-together. That is hasn't happened yet is unconscionable.
tenklavir
Profile Joined November 2010
Slovakia116 Posts
March 05 2012 17:13 GMT
#25
On March 06 2012 02:10 Noocta wrote:
SC2 need a frontpage with general chat channels. That would do so much.
And that's like 1 day of work by Blizzard to make that.


Why? They're easily accessible as they are and still almost no one uses them.
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
March 05 2012 17:16 GMT
#26
Blizz probably doesn't give a shit.
If anything they know the problem and have purposely tried to make it happen.
Making another D2 or BW is probably the thing they want to avoid.

Unless it's a subscription based game like WoW, what benefit do they have for tons of people playing a game like D2?
They lose money just maintaining the servers.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
March 05 2012 17:17 GMT
#27
On March 06 2012 02:12 tenklavir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 02:07 Type|NarutO wrote:
On March 06 2012 02:03 tenklavir wrote:
I don't understand complaints of SC2 being a "ghost town".

In Brood War, I'd log in, get dropped into a USEast chat room, get spammed by bots, see a couple people arguing about something dumb, and jump out of the chat as fast as I could. In SC2, the original outcry when chat channels were left out was unreal. You'd think that when you log on now, you'd see something more than "There are 648 users in public chat rooms".

The entire quote from that article reads, "I had fun playing game X, and now I'm not having fun playing game Y because it feels like a ghost town" with no actual explanation as to why it feels so or how to fix it. This guy is seriously talking about D2? Sure it's social...log on and enjoy your wall of bot spam.

People complained that SC2 wasn't social because there were no chat rooms. Blizz adds them, and now it's generally less than 1000 people in public chats and people still complain that SC2 isn't social.


Did you play Broodwar only in its final stage... where the community was very small and elitist actually? Because I still remember europe battle.net , fun chats in DEU-1. Strategy chat or overall fun in op ToT). Even hanging out on US.West op ClanBy op D.T- or any other channel, it was always social and even though there could be a time where actually no one would write a word, you were never alone.

I don't think how they introduced chat-channels into Starcraft or implemented them was the right way to do it, but its certainly better than just a friend list..Why can't I have a small editor/console like chat when I'm in battle.net?

Bring back /w /f m etc..

and give me the function to watch replays TOGETHER, PLEASE!


What you're describing then is that the "very small and elitist" group that played bwar then wants the same experience now. By definition your small and elitist group is likely exclusionary of lesser players...how is this "social" or does it give other a sense of community on Bnet? You know you can round up your friends from back then, pick a chat name, and have everyone jump in there when they log on Bnet 2.0.

I do agree with you about replay-together. That is hasn't happened yet is unconscionable.


Only because you stated that you get annoyed by the chat doesn't mean other people are. I bet thousands of random newbies would even like to just be in a chatchannel sitting around, either talking or reading what others write about the game, not even mentioning there might be some very good players around.

Broodwar was small and elitist back then, because it was just insanely old and only a few people still actively played it or were basically playing on iCCup etc. Yet it was still not as cold and lonely as Starcraft 2 is. Nowadays I either have a skype conversation or stream to interact with the people... other than that, yeah... simply sad experience.
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 05 2012 17:18 GMT
#28
On March 06 2012 02:13 tenklavir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 02:10 Noocta wrote:
SC2 need a frontpage with general chat channels. That would do so much.
And that's like 1 day of work by Blizzard to make that.


Why? They're easily accessible as they are and still almost no one uses them.


People are lazy.
In Wc3 or BW, you log, the chat channel full of people is right in front of you.
In SCé you need to search them = fail.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Secret05
Profile Joined August 2010
United States342 Posts
March 05 2012 17:18 GMT
#29
there is nothing in the game that promotes socializing... if blizzard wants us to play the game more then they really need to implement other things to do than just play games (like other social aspects)... think about WoW for example, when people play wow they play for probably about 50% of the time and socialize probably the other 50% of the time, i think the social aspects of wow has really been one of the big contributors to its success... blizzard is really messing up sc2 right now... the community could be 10 times bigger if they just implemented some more social aspects to the game... as im writing this its actually making me very angry because this is such an easy fix to make... blizzard you really really messed up... you have time to fix it... quit making excuses about why these social features aren't included
Michigan Zerg Player
imyzhang
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada809 Posts
March 05 2012 17:18 GMT
#30
damn it blizzard, make use of the home page, no one really gives a fucking shit about most of those news updates, or tychus' face -_-
bleh
AnalThermometer
Profile Joined February 2011
Vatican City State334 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-05 17:19:17
March 05 2012 17:19 GMT
#31
On March 06 2012 02:08 Bommes wrote:
I sometimes just randomly chitchat during the boring first 3-4 minutes (if I'm in a good mood and not annoyed in the first place) to spice it up a little. Most people go for it and chat weird stuff with me, but a lot of people just think I'm cheesing because I chat so much nonsense lol

Most of the time I concentrate on playing anyway though, mostly because I can't really come up with new thoughts about everything and anything each game.


It's funny how prickly many people are when it comes to chatting in game, they filter everything as some kind of insult. Bnet isolation has only served to make the game feel super serial & hostile.
Alacast
Profile Joined December 2011
United States205 Posts
March 05 2012 17:19 GMT
#32
Just because the social interaction doesn't exist within the confines of the game program itself, doesn't mean it's not there. For example, you're on TL, a primarily Starcraft related website with more depth and content than any in-game chat program could ever provide. I have never found public chat channels in any game to be rewarding or fun; more often than not I read them with a sense of terror at the sheer stupidity and ignorance of the human race and eventually fled, never to return.

I honestly think Starcraft suffers from the fact that it's simply difficult to learn, and while its predecessor was able to single-handedly capture a majority of the gaming community, it also came at a time when "social" games eg: easy shit that requires more time than effort (read World of Warcraft) didn't yet exist. Gamers were a small sect of "basement dwelling" nerds who were smart and dedicated to their passion. Those people still exist and they continue to dedicate time and effort into learning and improving their skills, but they are overshadowed by a larger community of social games and gamers.

My entire last paragraphs was opinion and anecdotal, so back to reality. Starcraft lacks the tools to teach people even the basics of playing the game. Yes, it teaches people how to make and control units and buildings, but there is absolutely no higher-level information available within the game to help people. All of my friends are afraid to even try to learn it because they don't know where to start-that's why people don't play. It's hard and it takes a significant amount of effort to even find a guide on what the hell you're supposed to be doing. Sure chat channels might help in this aspect, but how much constructive criticism can you expect from a public chat channel that isn't flippant or disrespectful?

I'm rambling, but my point is that the learning curve is steep and there is no method INSIDE THE GAME to actually figure out how to play. Campaign is terrible and the challenges are a joke (except for opening gambit, which is alright but really lacks the information on how you should do things and why).
Let us not rail about justice as long as we have arms and the freedom to use them. -Frank Herbert
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
March 05 2012 17:19 GMT
#33
On March 06 2012 01:58 chip789 wrote:
Sc: BW you log in BOOM giant chat box full of people. Sc2 you log in BOOM empty page of nothing.

LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
March 05 2012 17:20 GMT
#34
I just wish they could bring back to how it was for WC3.
That was my most played games of all times, and 50 % of the playtime I had with the game was just chatting with clan members.

Oh the good times...
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AeonStrife
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States918 Posts
March 05 2012 17:21 GMT
#35
I can somewhat agree. I tend to log in and look at the UI with this forever alone feeling. Feels like I have no connection to people or someone unless I click on that find match button or look for a custom game. But even if I do, I would never have a long chat in a ladder game, and there isn't really any custom games that I like.

I do have friends to play with but even with the current friends I play with, there is no system to somehow make a strong interaction with other people and keep it consistent. We're like robots...find match, lose/win, find match, lose/win, alittle trolling in between, and thats about it.
Whats worse...US Poltics or SC2 Balance Talks...
DwmC_Foefen
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Belgium2186 Posts
March 05 2012 17:22 GMT
#36
This plus the fact that the custom games section sucks balls, terrible terrible balls.
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-05 17:23:15
March 05 2012 17:22 GMT
#37
i cant join more chat channels and i talk with friends in all of them dunno what you guys talking about lack of social interacting :< its not that hard to join a chat or make friends in customs you just need to talk

(yes custom game section sucks and we need clan support)
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
March 05 2012 17:22 GMT
#38
we dont have the technology yet
probablytrolling
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5 Posts
March 05 2012 17:23 GMT
#39
When the game came out there were no chat channels, and is probably the primary reason why this guy was unable to find any sort of sense of community. There literally was no way to interact with other gamers on a large scale when the game came out. I think this is actually the most egregious offense blizzard has had in terms of trying to make the game big and self sustaining (which could be taken as a compliment, but really the choice to leave out chat channels for release is such a no brainer bad idea that it blows my mind they chose not to put it in).

stuff that still sucks:
There is no way to find out if a channel exists other than being told about it or guessing.
Chat channels still cannot be "official" in the sense that someone can own and moderate a channel.
There is still an 100 person limit to channels.
No group replay.
probablylurking
Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
March 05 2012 17:23 GMT
#40
On March 06 2012 02:22 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
This plus the fact that the custom games section sucks balls, terrible terrible balls.

This.

I hate the "popularity" system since it means a bunch of really good games are ignored.
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