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On March 06 2012 02:07 VTArlock wrote:
I can imagine how difficult it must be for the random newb who purchases the game, has nobody on his friend list, logs in, get BM'd on ladder and then is forced to repeat the process..'
You don' t even imagine bro.
I got the game a little after release and thought my friends would jump in a week or two later. Needless to say, they never did. I even bought a couple of game copies for them as a present, as a reason to start playing, didn' t work. They play LoL for the most part so when we are on skype and i am laddering, i feel miserable playing a game i like but forever alone.. So i play like 3 games tops and jump into the LoLtrain, which i don' t enjoy, just to have some company.
So so sad.. 
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On March 07 2012 04:04 JiPrime wrote:I didn't really care about Bnet 2.0 until I got Dota 2 Beta. ![[image loading]](http://www.dota2tp.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/dota-ui.jpg) Now this, this is how you make an UI. Learn it Blizzard, learn it!
Damn it you just made me want Dota 2 even more.
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I will be buying hots.
I wont be installing it until our issues are implemented.
If I still see no progress in the UI development ill be reselling and switching games.
There's no excuse Blizzard. No excuse.
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Valve is really putting Blizzard to shame with the Dota 2 UI.
Cross play on the front page, just by pressing a button,
LAN,
Possibility to spectate a game at any time, even while queuing for your own game
Replays you can watch with friend, where you can jump to any time in the game
Chat window at the frontpage, you can acces it even during shutdown maintenance.
A lot of option to help new players
Everything is in the same page, no need to go throught multiple window
If we had half of that for sc2 everyone would cry in tears of joy. -_-
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Could we get some inside voices in here that have any sort of connection to Blizzard to comment on what they think about all these outcries from the SCII community? Or do they not care what we say anymore, after being converted by Activision into a money hungry company?
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On March 07 2012 07:00 DamVii wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 02:07 VTArlock wrote:
I can imagine how difficult it must be for the random newb who purchases the game, has nobody on his friend list, logs in, get BM'd on ladder and then is forced to repeat the process..'
You don' t even imagine bro. I got the game a little after release and thought my friends would jump in a week or two later. Needless to say, they never did. I even bought a couple of game copies for them as a present, as a reason to start playing, didn' t work. They play LoL for the most part so when we are on skype and i am laddering, i feel miserable playing a game i like but forever alone.. So i play like 3 games tops and jump into the LoLtrain, which i don' t enjoy, just to have some company. So so sad..
You have just described my situation to a "T". Recently I find myself being drawn into the LoL scene even though I feel like it's an inferior game compaired to SC2. It's frustrating to say the least. Did you guys see the stream numbers for LoL durring IEM yesterday? They had 2X more viewers despite the fact that they haven't started a game yet!!
I'm of the opinion that right now the SC2 scene stays afloat because the game is fucking awesome, but more importantly, because people in the community have stepped up and developed a strong infrastructure outside of the game. Well run sites like Team Liquid and passionate people like Day [9] (and many others) are the reason I keep coming back.
We as RTS fans are at a disadvantage because our game isn't team orrientated. On man against one man (or woman). Its a lonely life. For this reason Blizzard NEEDS a better community system to compete with the up and coming DOTA clones. Here's hoping HOTS will deliver!
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On March 07 2012 09:22 AKAce wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 07:00 DamVii wrote:On March 06 2012 02:07 VTArlock wrote:
I can imagine how difficult it must be for the random newb who purchases the game, has nobody on his friend list, logs in, get BM'd on ladder and then is forced to repeat the process..'
You don' t even imagine bro. I got the game a little after release and thought my friends would jump in a week or two later. Needless to say, they never did. I even bought a couple of game copies for them as a present, as a reason to start playing, didn' t work. They play LoL for the most part so when we are on skype and i am laddering, i feel miserable playing a game i like but forever alone.. So i play like 3 games tops and jump into the LoLtrain, which i don' t enjoy, just to have some company. So so sad.. You have just described my situation to a "T". Recently I find myself being drawn into the LoL scene even though I feel like it's an inferior game compaired to SC2. It's frustrating to say the least. Did you guys see the stream numbers for LoL durring IEM yesterday? They had 2X more viewers despite the fact that they haven't started a game yet!! I'm of the opinion that right now the SC2 scene stays afloat because the game is fucking awesome, but more importantly, because people in the community have stepped up and developed a strong infrastructure outside of the game. Well run sites like Team Liquid and passionate people like Day [9] (and many others) are the reason I keep coming back. We as RTS fans are at a disadvantage because our game isn't team orrientated. On man against one man (or woman). Its a lonely life. For this reason Blizzard NEEDS a better community system to compete with the up and coming DOTA clones. Here's hoping HOTS will deliver!
That's a good point. Just imagine if LoL had the solidarity of SC2 and Teamliquid, people like Day9, Husky, Tastosis all giving their all into making the game as exciting as possible and exposing it to everyone. It would be doing gangbusters in comparison.
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I try to maintain a balanced diet of talking in chatrooms, 1v1, funday monday, and custom games.
Unfortunately, the selections are not favorable for players looking to vary their social interactions.
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On March 06 2012 02:03 tenklavir wrote:
I don't understand complaints of SC2 being a "ghost town".
In Brood War, I'd log in, get dropped into a USEast chat room, get spammed by bots, see a couple people arguing about something dumb, and jump out of the chat as fast as I could. In SC2, the original outcry when chat channels were left out was unreal. You'd think that when you log on now, you'd see something more than "There are 648 users in public chat rooms".
The entire quote from that article reads, "I had fun playing game X, and now I'm not having fun playing game Y because it feels like a ghost town" with no actual explanation as to why it feels so or how to fix it. This guy is seriously talking about D2? Sure it's social...log on and enjoy your wall of bot spam.
People complained that SC2 wasn't social because there were no chat rooms. Blizz adds them, and now it's generally less than 1000 people in public chats and people still complain that SC2 isn't social.
The chat channels are out of the way and unintuitive. They need to rework the entire UI to support and force more social interaction. It makes the game feel more lively. These are subtle things the article in the OP is complaining about, but they're entirely valid.
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On March 07 2012 04:04 JiPrime wrote:I didn't really care about Bnet 2.0 until I got Dota 2 Beta. + Show Spoiler +Now this, this is how you make an UI. Learn it Blizzard, learn it!
W3 and bw have both decents UI. They are just being greedy (more than what a company should be) and leaving things undone so they can lure people into buying their expansions.
Or you can be naive and think they were lazy or got wrong what people want.
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BNet 2.0 is a cold, lonely place.
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i would not lie , i wish we had RIOT and Valve be the creators of Starcraft 2 , sadly blizzard is no longer the blizzard we know. The still create good games, but the mediums they deliver it on has deteriorated a lot. It reeks of greed and doing as little as possible to have a product that can be released despite having the longest production times compared to many game developers "When its ready" comes to mind they love to say. I understand battlenet 2.0 is built from the ground up. But there should be no reason we have to wait for the expansion to see improvements to this terrible battlenet. As usual greed is keeping them from doing this because whatever improvements they do have in store for battlenet i bet will only be available when HOTS comes out which could be over a year from now.
I still dont see them adding many things battlenet 1.0 had . When war3 was made, and starcraft 1 and diablo, You can clearly see it was a game built by gamers for gamers. With sc2 you can clearly see it was a game built by businessmen for gamers.
Obviously a game business has to make a profit , there is no denying this. However i believe when a game transcends more than what its asked to deliver, These games,These are the ones that "create the blizzards", these are the games that create the "valves", these are the games that create big companies. So while they take a small lost for going beyond what was necessary to make a game. It pays out in the long run because it builds a loved /loyal gaming brand that people will flock to and by their games in numbers "no matter what".
To me personally blizzard is relying on the "no matter what" a little to much for their recent games (this goes for upcoming diablo 3 as well fucking auction house ruining the integrity of actually earning your gear for e.g). Ever since WOW started raking in the cash,success has got to there head. With a couple more mediocre games "there so called name" will not be as prominent as it was before. Heaven forbid WOW actually dies. You will see how fast they turn around there direction towards game development. Signs are WOW isnt doing that well as before and this is all good new to me. No game should ever charge a monthly fucking fee to pay, how greedy can you get my god.
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I'm not so optimistic that we're gonna see significant improvements in HotS. I mean, Blizzard has had a looooooong history of promising things and then not pulling through on them and this I expect will be no different.
People don't buy or not buy a game for the chat interface, they buy or don't buy it for how shiny it looks and how much fun everyone says it is. The two or three extra copies of HotS they may sell from making the chat system completely perfect wouldn't even pay for the people designing it to show up to work each day.
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I agree completely.Thats why i quited playing too.No social interactianos at all.
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Sort of beating a dead horse with this article, I mean most people have been saying this since b.net 2.0 was released including myself. I would love to see some improvements that make it a more sociable experience but I just don't see that happening anytime soon. Not sure what they are thinking over there at Blizzard but time and time again I feel that Activision is corrupting another once great company.
So many things need to be changed in order for people to start logging on just to chat with other people and not just play the game, and I really hope that some changes are made to keep SC2 an alive game. At the rate that it is going, I don't see that happening.
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That's why I didn't like Bnet 2.0 as compared to the Bnet that existed in the WC3 era. It feels SO lonely! There's is about zilch community interaction when it comes to the SC2 client. You have your friends list and a chat system that is so cumbersome it's rarely even used. No forums integration whatsoever in the client nor is there any form of community website that opens IN the game. Everything opens in an external browser that brings your attention away from the game back to the desktop. Why on earth would any developer want to take the player's attention away from the game? Geez
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How in the world are you guys getting DOTA2 keys? lol jesus
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On March 07 2012 08:53 Noocta wrote:
Valve is really putting Blizzard to shame with the Dota 2 UI.
Cross play on the front page, just by pressing a button,
LAN,
Possibility to spectate a game at any time, even while queuing for your own game
Replays you can watch with friend, where you can jump to any time in the game
Chat window at the frontpage, you can acces it even during shutdown maintenance.
A lot of option to help new players
Everything is in the same page, no need to go throught multiple window
If we had half of that for sc2 everyone would cry in tears of joy. -_-
Yeah man I can't lie, that UI looks completely sick. I would go so far to say that's the best I've ever seen in a game.
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Well since I mostly play 3's and 4's with folks on vent etc, I don't really feel this a lot.
I will admit once I've played 5-6 1v1's I'll suddenly want to do something else though. Not sure if that is due to the 'ghost town' effect or something else tbh.
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