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On March 06 2012 02:19 AnalThermometer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 02:08 Bommes wrote:
I sometimes just randomly chitchat during the boring first 3-4 minutes (if I'm in a good mood and not annoyed in the first place) to spice it up a little. Most people go for it and chat weird stuff with me, but a lot of people just think I'm cheesing because I chat so much nonsense lol
Most of the time I concentrate on playing anyway though, mostly because I can't really come up with new thoughts about everything and anything each game. It's funny how prickly many people are when it comes to chatting in game, they filter everything as some kind of insult. Bnet isolation has only served to make the game feel super serial & hostile.
It's a competitive game, not a social club. Yes, if my opponent begins to chit chat, the first thing I'm thinking of is that he must be cheesing and is trying to distract me, which is true 90% of the time from my experience and I'm sure many others will corroborate. It doesn't mean I'm hostile, it just means I want to play the game and that's it. If I wanted to simply chat, there are tons of other places on the internet where I could be, and if I wanted to specifically talk about Starcraft, there are websites dedicated to that.
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On March 06 2012 03:29 tenklavir wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 03:23 Kira__ wrote:On March 06 2012 02:52 tenklavir wrote:On March 06 2012 02:51 Kira__ wrote:On March 06 2012 02:42 tenklavir wrote:On March 06 2012 02:39 TheRabidDeer wrote:
The problem is that blizzard saw the awesome forum communities and how popular they were and thought that people would just use them instead of ingame stuff. While it is true that many do use forums.. its just not the same and many people didn't know about them and it is absolutely dead for them online. Chat and a social experience is necessary for a game in modern times. There to is no excuse to not have it. But there already is chat... Can someone that agrees with this article explain specifically what it is that they want (since the article does not)? None of this "better chat" nonsense...clear, concise ways that you think improve the social aspects of the game as a whole. the "better chat" is not nonsense, the original battle.net from 98 has better chat support than we got in 2012 Please tell me what about it is better. ease of access, they way it's implemented so you don't have to struggle to find people, things such as channel operators and other chat options, management of channels is absolutely horrible, and the ui in general is far from optimal if you've used chat in the old battle.net version, you'd realize how big of a step backwards they've made Ease of access - There's a button at the bottom of the screen that you click on to open the interface. I assume you want SC2 to open public chat for you as soon as you come in, which not everyone does Struggle to find people - See above Channel operators - I assume you mean mods. Private channels maybe though you can always move to a new channel if someone somehow finds you and bothers you. Also, what other options specifically? Management of channels - ? What better way is there than a list of channels? That's common to both UI - There's a big box of text, and a list of people to the right. This is different (and according to you, worse) than BWs UI how?
You're the minority I suppose, each to their own.
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On March 06 2012 03:33 Kira__ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 03:29 tenklavir wrote:On March 06 2012 03:23 Kira__ wrote:On March 06 2012 02:52 tenklavir wrote:On March 06 2012 02:51 Kira__ wrote:On March 06 2012 02:42 tenklavir wrote:On March 06 2012 02:39 TheRabidDeer wrote:
The problem is that blizzard saw the awesome forum communities and how popular they were and thought that people would just use them instead of ingame stuff. While it is true that many do use forums.. its just not the same and many people didn't know about them and it is absolutely dead for them online. Chat and a social experience is necessary for a game in modern times. There to is no excuse to not have it. But there already is chat... Can someone that agrees with this article explain specifically what it is that they want (since the article does not)? None of this "better chat" nonsense...clear, concise ways that you think improve the social aspects of the game as a whole. the "better chat" is not nonsense, the original battle.net from 98 has better chat support than we got in 2012 Please tell me what about it is better. ease of access, they way it's implemented so you don't have to struggle to find people, things such as channel operators and other chat options, management of channels is absolutely horrible, and the ui in general is far from optimal if you've used chat in the old battle.net version, you'd realize how big of a step backwards they've made Ease of access - There's a button at the bottom of the screen that you click on to open the interface. I assume you want SC2 to open public chat for you as soon as you come in, which not everyone does Struggle to find people - See above Channel operators - I assume you mean mods. Private channels maybe though you can always move to a new channel if someone somehow finds you and bothers you. Also, what other options specifically? Management of channels - ? What better way is there than a list of channels? That's common to both UI - There's a big box of text, and a list of people to the right. This is different (and according to you, worse) than BWs UI how? You're the minority I suppose, each to their own.
Indeed, to each their own. Not sure I'm in the minority per se, just that the people who don't care so much about chat don't usually have much to say about it ;p
Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not opposed to Blizz adding these things...I'm just trying to understand specifically what it is that people want. It's one thing for people to tell Blizz "we want better chat", but if they don't help Blizz understand what to address and improve, nothing will happen.
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I like starcraft because I dont have to talk/chat with mates. Is there something wrong with me????
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On March 06 2012 03:29 tenklavir wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 03:23 Kira__ wrote:On March 06 2012 02:52 tenklavir wrote:On March 06 2012 02:51 Kira__ wrote:On March 06 2012 02:42 tenklavir wrote:On March 06 2012 02:39 TheRabidDeer wrote:
The problem is that blizzard saw the awesome forum communities and how popular they were and thought that people would just use them instead of ingame stuff. While it is true that many do use forums.. its just not the same and many people didn't know about them and it is absolutely dead for them online. Chat and a social experience is necessary for a game in modern times. There to is no excuse to not have it. But there already is chat... Can someone that agrees with this article explain specifically what it is that they want (since the article does not)? None of this "better chat" nonsense...clear, concise ways that you think improve the social aspects of the game as a whole. the "better chat" is not nonsense, the original battle.net from 98 has better chat support than we got in 2012 Please tell me what about it is better. ease of access, they way it's implemented so you don't have to struggle to find people, things such as channel operators and other chat options, management of channels is absolutely horrible, and the ui in general is far from optimal if you've used chat in the old battle.net version, you'd realize how big of a step backwards they've made Ease of access - There's a button at the bottom of the screen that you click on to open the interface. I assume you want SC2 to open public chat for you as soon as you come in, which not everyone does Struggle to find people - See above Channel operators - I assume you mean mods. Private channels maybe though you can always move to a new channel if someone somehow finds you and bothers you. Also, what other options specifically? Management of channels - ? What better way is there than a list of channels? That's common to both UI - There's a big box of text, and a list of people to the right. This is different (and according to you, worse) than BWs UI how?
Brood War wasn't a brilliant example of integrated social systems either. It was decent for its time, but in the era of social networking comparing a current product to a game released in 1998 is pointless.
Chat channels are only part of the problem (and a very basic solution). In order for social system to be functional by today's standards, you need to integrate it with the actual game features and give players some sort of direct motivation to communicate with other players.
Things like automated battle.net tournaments (where you autojoin tournament's chat channel when you join the tournament), a built-in guild/clan interface (again supported by official chat channels that the leaders can moderate and manage) and ranking, multi-user replay watching, and a million other ways you can bring people to talk to each other that have all been suggested over time. If just the clan feature was there, almost all active players would likely be in some clan. It may be a Bronze league clan, but you'd still have a feel you belong to a specific group and have friends/allies within the game.
Like 90% of all conversations I've had in SC2 was mostly BM/whining delivered by my last ladder opponent. I think most people have a similar experience. What SC2 has is just a system that allows you to talk to people or groups of people, but really you have no context and no reason to do so, especially if you play 1v1s or queue up solo.
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On March 06 2012 02:02 Jellomomello wrote:
This article is 100% accurate with the way i feel ( and have felt ) with SC2 and all Blizzard games in the past
This.
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On March 06 2012 03:38 Big-t wrote:
I like starcraft because I dont have to talk/chat with mates. Is there something wrong with me????
No, not at all , ur a minority but if they implement all the request people want in a chat room, u'll still be playing starcraft 2.
but because they don't have all the requested stuff, people are turned off by sc2 and play other games instead.
Before battle.net felt like one huge community of all blizzard games in the same chat server. Now it feels like sc2 is on it's own and can't interact with anyone else. I think a lot of the things that were implemented in sc2 were more Activison's ideas.
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Replay viewing with friends is the death wound on bnet 2.0, blizzard has no idea how it hinders social interaction and the improvement of players...
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I remember what a lot of nothing I did by running in circles in WoW.
Find an IRC.
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Diablo 1 (very first bnet) felt a hundred times more alive than sc2 does.
Tons of channels with tons of ppl online... even the interface was better, and that was 16 years ago.
It should be more like IRC and less like AIM/MSN.
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I see five reasons chat channels don't feel as social as in bw:
1) They are only a small part of the screen. in bw, your current chat channel dominated the screen.
2) You can get thrown into a chat channel by invite without your permission.
3) You can be in several chat channels at once, even while in game. this factor along with 2) means that hardly anyone that is "in the channel" are actually reading the chat.
4) You get muted for spamming after writing like 2 lines. Wtf? I want to write conversation style in a chat room, not a paragraph at a time. NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT BOTS. MODDED CHANNELS CAN BLOCK THEM. It adds a kinda fun element actually...
5) In bw, you could look at your mutual friends list and see what channels they are in if they aren't in game. This created people following each other around channel to channel and discovering new places to hang out.
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Totally agree with the "ghost town effect".
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This is a very true problem, the only thing I made against it is to always have 5 chat channels opened with lot of people in it but it's not enough.
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I think if there is a ghost-town effect, it is mostly self-imposed. I've had lots of fun, social experiences in SC2. While I agree that Battle.net 2.0 is fundamentally flawed and just mediocre in general, I don't think it is for these reasons.
There are chat-rooms where you can hang out and look for social opportunities to interact, there are custom games like the Metalopolis obs series (although this is kind of separate from bnet 2.0, as it's a user-created thing).
Despite that, though, I completely agree that bnet 2.0 has a LOT of room for improvement in the social aspect. Oh wait,
FACEBOOK INTEGRATION
YEEEEEEEEAHHHHHH
(That was a joke. Nobody cares about facebook integration)
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Man, this is exactly how i feel !
In my bw days i often stayed loged in for several hour not even playing, just chatting and fooling around with my allies and friends. Now it's gone, and on sc2 i almost never play more than 1 hour, because it feels so lonely. C'mon blizzard, how hard can it be to make REAL public channel ?
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Bring back OP triviahost!
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This is why the 1v1 KotH observer modes remained popular on battle.net 2.0. They are still the most fun I've had in the game, playing with people, casual chat during game, etc.
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What happened to Blizzard? Is their recent failure attributed to being part of Activision?
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Ironically, Blizzard said they would make BNET 2.0 something even more amazing than the Wc3 BNET, but they failed miserably and made it worse.
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You feel lonely and bored when you play SC2? Then you're playing with the completely wrong crowd.
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