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On March 05 2012 13:52 Grampz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 13:35 1Eris1 wrote:On March 05 2012 13:27 Forikorder wrote:On March 05 2012 13:24 Navillus wrote:On March 05 2012 13:18 Forikorder wrote:On March 05 2012 13:14 FinestHour wrote:The LoL scene is growing at such a frightening fast pace, will definitely not be surprised to see it become as big as starcraft in korea...which made me start practicing it  thing is from what ive heard LoL doesnt have much long term viability, i think its mainly the makers who are sponsoring the tournys while Blizz has pretty much washed its hands off supporting SC2 after NASL also with MLGs winter arena tournaments are starting to figure out how to turn a profit, Sundance has said that the winter arena is a sustainable bussiness without any sponsors (whicch i beleive is the only event in SC2 history) so to sponsors theyll look at LoL and see viewers and an industry that is gobbling up money and theyll look at SC2 and see a scene that is starting to become sustainable and start spending money over there also i wouldnt be surprised if LoL teams are mainly springing up becuase they see big tourny prises and less that theres a huge giant viewrbase but i dont have access to any numbers here and just guessing This is really wishful thinking, LoL has a base larger viewer base than SCII just because it's F2P, if SCII manages to ever find a model that is sustainable LoL will too and will have it better, if we don't... they still might, but if they fail with the support their getting and the much higher viewer count (and that's really what matters, the viewer count is what's going to decide how much money tournies make and whether they'll be able to float) then you can be sure that Starcraft will fail too. lol is F2P which alot of people point at oh look becuase its free alot of people paly it and watch it MLG found out how to sustainable with PPV, how many people are gonna say "well if im not even willing to pay to paly the game why would i pay to watch it?" SC2 viewerbase is growing fast, not jsut people who play the game but alot of people who dont, youll never walk into a bar and see LoL on the screen anytime soon Um SC2's viewerbase has actually shrunk considerably. And LoL has already started working on several barcrafts http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=12923085Please don't make up stuff, I don't like LoL that much either, but to shit on it or to lie about it isn't cool. lol since when? Every mlg and GSL, the 2 biggest tournaments/leagues in the world had their numbers grow EVERY event last year. What are you talking about?
I am not sure about MLG but I read somewhere on a article that GSL viewers decreased every year
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well, understandable because there are a lot of people, especially with experience from BW, that just can't continue to play SC2 for obvious reasons. Great spectator game though!
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On March 05 2012 13:52 Grampz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 13:35 1Eris1 wrote:On March 05 2012 13:27 Forikorder wrote:On March 05 2012 13:24 Navillus wrote:On March 05 2012 13:18 Forikorder wrote:On March 05 2012 13:14 FinestHour wrote:The LoL scene is growing at such a frightening fast pace, will definitely not be surprised to see it become as big as starcraft in korea...which made me start practicing it thing is from what ive heard LoL doesnt have much long term viability, i think its mainly the makers who are sponsoring the tournys while Blizz has pretty much washed its hands off supporting SC2 after NASL also with MLGs winter arena tournaments are starting to figure out how to turn a profit, Sundance has said that the winter arena is a sustainable bussiness without any sponsors (whicch i beleive is the only event in SC2 history) so to sponsors theyll look at LoL and see viewers and an industry that is gobbling up money and theyll look at SC2 and see a scene that is starting to become sustainable and start spending money over there also i wouldnt be surprised if LoL teams are mainly springing up becuase they see big tourny prises and less that theres a huge giant viewrbase but i dont have access to any numbers here and just guessing This is really wishful thinking, LoL has a base larger viewer base than SCII just because it's F2P, if SCII manages to ever find a model that is sustainable LoL will too and will have it better, if we don't... they still might, but if they fail with the support their getting and the much higher viewer count (and that's really what matters, the viewer count is what's going to decide how much money tournies make and whether they'll be able to float) then you can be sure that Starcraft will fail too. lol is F2P which alot of people point at oh look becuase its free alot of people paly it and watch it MLG found out how to sustainable with PPV, how many people are gonna say "well if im not even willing to pay to paly the game why would i pay to watch it?" SC2 viewerbase is growing fast, not jsut people who play the game but alot of people who dont, youll never walk into a bar and see LoL on the screen anytime soon Um SC2's viewerbase has actually shrunk considerably. And LoL has already started working on several barcrafts http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=12923085Please don't make up stuff, I don't like LoL that much either, but to shit on it or to lie about it isn't cool. lol since when? Every mlg and GSL, the 2 biggest tournaments/leagues in the world had their numbers grow EVERY event last year. What are you talking about?
Have you even looked at GOM's vod/viewer numbers...? It's been pretty stable for the last few events (except Blizzard Cup), but it's well below that of several of their earlier events.
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On March 05 2012 13:52 Grampz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 13:35 1Eris1 wrote:On March 05 2012 13:27 Forikorder wrote:On March 05 2012 13:24 Navillus wrote:On March 05 2012 13:18 Forikorder wrote:On March 05 2012 13:14 FinestHour wrote:The LoL scene is growing at such a frightening fast pace, will definitely not be surprised to see it become as big as starcraft in korea...which made me start practicing it thing is from what ive heard LoL doesnt have much long term viability, i think its mainly the makers who are sponsoring the tournys while Blizz has pretty much washed its hands off supporting SC2 after NASL also with MLGs winter arena tournaments are starting to figure out how to turn a profit, Sundance has said that the winter arena is a sustainable bussiness without any sponsors (whicch i beleive is the only event in SC2 history) so to sponsors theyll look at LoL and see viewers and an industry that is gobbling up money and theyll look at SC2 and see a scene that is starting to become sustainable and start spending money over there also i wouldnt be surprised if LoL teams are mainly springing up becuase they see big tourny prises and less that theres a huge giant viewrbase but i dont have access to any numbers here and just guessing This is really wishful thinking, LoL has a base larger viewer base than SCII just because it's F2P, if SCII manages to ever find a model that is sustainable LoL will too and will have it better, if we don't... they still might, but if they fail with the support their getting and the much higher viewer count (and that's really what matters, the viewer count is what's going to decide how much money tournies make and whether they'll be able to float) then you can be sure that Starcraft will fail too. lol is F2P which alot of people point at oh look becuase its free alot of people paly it and watch it MLG found out how to sustainable with PPV, how many people are gonna say "well if im not even willing to pay to paly the game why would i pay to watch it?" SC2 viewerbase is growing fast, not jsut people who play the game but alot of people who dont, youll never walk into a bar and see LoL on the screen anytime soon Um SC2's viewerbase has actually shrunk considerably. And LoL has already started working on several barcrafts http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=12923085Please don't make up stuff, I don't like LoL that much either, but to shit on it or to lie about it isn't cool. lol since when? Every mlg and GSL, the 2 biggest tournaments/leagues in the world had their numbers grow EVERY event last year. What are you talking about?
just ignore these trolls with all the baseless facts. People who like LOL, good for you . People who like starcraft 2, good for us. I prefer sc2 , even though i play both.
@fruitdealer, Well i guess a move like this is only natural. He wasnt going anywhere in sc2, with such poor results its only natural one transfers to an easier game.
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On March 05 2012 14:01 johnny123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 13:52 Grampz wrote:On March 05 2012 13:35 1Eris1 wrote:On March 05 2012 13:27 Forikorder wrote:On March 05 2012 13:24 Navillus wrote:On March 05 2012 13:18 Forikorder wrote:On March 05 2012 13:14 FinestHour wrote:The LoL scene is growing at such a frightening fast pace, will definitely not be surprised to see it become as big as starcraft in korea...which made me start practicing it thing is from what ive heard LoL doesnt have much long term viability, i think its mainly the makers who are sponsoring the tournys while Blizz has pretty much washed its hands off supporting SC2 after NASL also with MLGs winter arena tournaments are starting to figure out how to turn a profit, Sundance has said that the winter arena is a sustainable bussiness without any sponsors (whicch i beleive is the only event in SC2 history) so to sponsors theyll look at LoL and see viewers and an industry that is gobbling up money and theyll look at SC2 and see a scene that is starting to become sustainable and start spending money over there also i wouldnt be surprised if LoL teams are mainly springing up becuase they see big tourny prises and less that theres a huge giant viewrbase but i dont have access to any numbers here and just guessing This is really wishful thinking, LoL has a base larger viewer base than SCII just because it's F2P, if SCII manages to ever find a model that is sustainable LoL will too and will have it better, if we don't... they still might, but if they fail with the support their getting and the much higher viewer count (and that's really what matters, the viewer count is what's going to decide how much money tournies make and whether they'll be able to float) then you can be sure that Starcraft will fail too. lol is F2P which alot of people point at oh look becuase its free alot of people paly it and watch it MLG found out how to sustainable with PPV, how many people are gonna say "well if im not even willing to pay to paly the game why would i pay to watch it?" SC2 viewerbase is growing fast, not jsut people who play the game but alot of people who dont, youll never walk into a bar and see LoL on the screen anytime soon Um SC2's viewerbase has actually shrunk considerably. And LoL has already started working on several barcrafts http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=12923085Please don't make up stuff, I don't like LoL that much either, but to shit on it or to lie about it isn't cool. lol since when? Every mlg and GSL, the 2 biggest tournaments/leagues in the world had their numbers grow EVERY event last year. What are you talking about? just ignore these trolls with all the baseless facts. People who like LOL, good for you . People who like starcraft 2, good for us. I prefer sc2 , even though i play both. @fruitdealer, Well i guess a move like this is only natural. He wasnt going anywhere in sc2, with such poor results its only natural one transfers to an easier game.
Please don't call me a troll with baseless facts, http://www.gomtv.net/, it's all right there if you want to comare the VOD numbers for each season.
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LoL is such an unbelievably bad game. Incredibly low ceiling cap. I played like 10-15 games and would just rofl stop everybody.
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On March 05 2012 13:01 publicenemies wrote:
Those who can't play, coach.
Or cast.
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On March 05 2012 14:04 zEnVy wrote:
LoL is such an unbelievably bad game. Incredibly low ceiling cap. I played like 10-15 games and would just rofl stop everybody.
Yeah, right. Just play some more and you will end up in the LoL sub-forum QQ thread soon enough. Trust me!
Talking about skill-cap, do you know that Zenio play WoW and raid once a week? People play games for fun and entertainment .
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is it true that he literally went snowboarding and got drunk? Seriously guys if thats trolling stop it he was the oGs.Cool that won GSL 1 and won it when zergs were having issues against terran, he was the "SaviOr-esque difference" of his time winning when terran seemed to dominate. Still i'm confused why he thinks his SC2 career is over, he could stay on TSL and play Starcraft, be like the TheWinD and coach etc. I'm confused, but maybe LoL is his calling.
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Not really surprised, heard from Rainbow a couple months ago that FD was barely playing SC2 anymore and really getting into LoL
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On March 05 2012 14:09 docvoc wrote:
is it true that he literally went snowboarding and got drunk? Seriously guys if thats trolling stop it he was the oGs.Cool that won GSL 1 and won it when zergs were having issues against terran, he was the "SaviOr-esque difference" of his time winning when terran seemed to dominate. Still i'm confused why he thinks his SC2 career is over, he could stay on TSL and play Starcraft, be like the TheWinD and coach etc. I'm confused, but maybe LoL is his calling.
He enjoys LoL, during his practice, you always saw him playing LoL just because he enjoys the game. It's an opinion, now people should stop calling LoL an easy game or whatever, it's different, it's still fun for certain people.
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Twitchtv is still SC2 dominant. However, if you look at total concurrent by genre from across streaming platforms (twitch own3d ustream, etc), LoL has exceed SC2 numbers by some time. There're several places that track this, but you can check this by going to teevox.com right now and check their stream count on the top left.
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On March 05 2012 14:00 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 13:52 Grampz wrote:On March 05 2012 13:35 1Eris1 wrote:On March 05 2012 13:27 Forikorder wrote:On March 05 2012 13:24 Navillus wrote:On March 05 2012 13:18 Forikorder wrote:On March 05 2012 13:14 FinestHour wrote:The LoL scene is growing at such a frightening fast pace, will definitely not be surprised to see it become as big as starcraft in korea...which made me start practicing it thing is from what ive heard LoL doesnt have much long term viability, i think its mainly the makers who are sponsoring the tournys while Blizz has pretty much washed its hands off supporting SC2 after NASL also with MLGs winter arena tournaments are starting to figure out how to turn a profit, Sundance has said that the winter arena is a sustainable bussiness without any sponsors (whicch i beleive is the only event in SC2 history) so to sponsors theyll look at LoL and see viewers and an industry that is gobbling up money and theyll look at SC2 and see a scene that is starting to become sustainable and start spending money over there also i wouldnt be surprised if LoL teams are mainly springing up becuase they see big tourny prises and less that theres a huge giant viewrbase but i dont have access to any numbers here and just guessing This is really wishful thinking, LoL has a base larger viewer base than SCII just because it's F2P, if SCII manages to ever find a model that is sustainable LoL will too and will have it better, if we don't... they still might, but if they fail with the support their getting and the much higher viewer count (and that's really what matters, the viewer count is what's going to decide how much money tournies make and whether they'll be able to float) then you can be sure that Starcraft will fail too. lol is F2P which alot of people point at oh look becuase its free alot of people paly it and watch it MLG found out how to sustainable with PPV, how many people are gonna say "well if im not even willing to pay to paly the game why would i pay to watch it?" SC2 viewerbase is growing fast, not jsut people who play the game but alot of people who dont, youll never walk into a bar and see LoL on the screen anytime soon Um SC2's viewerbase has actually shrunk considerably. And LoL has already started working on several barcrafts http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=12923085Please don't make up stuff, I don't like LoL that much either, but to shit on it or to lie about it isn't cool. lol since when? Every mlg and GSL, the 2 biggest tournaments/leagues in the world had their numbers grow EVERY event last year. What are you talking about? Have you even looked at GOM's vod/viewer numbers...? It's been pretty stable for the last few events (except Blizzard Cup), but it's well below that of several of their earlier events.
The recently finished HOT6iX GSL has higher viewer numbers than January 2011's GSL, which was one year ago and the first season still behind a pay-wall. Although the Open Season 1 and Open Season 2 peaked higher than the HOT6iX GSL's viewer numbers, they seem overall lower. GSL Open Season 3 peaked and has on-average lower views than the HOT6iX GSL.
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On March 05 2012 14:08 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 14:04 zEnVy wrote:
LoL is such an unbelievably bad game. Incredibly low ceiling cap. I played like 10-15 games and would just rofl stop everybody. Yeah, right. Just play some more and you will end up in the LoL sub-forum QQ thread soon enough. Trust me! Talking about skill-cap, do you know that Zenio play WoW and raid once a week? People play games for fun and entertainment .
You do realize this thread is about a professional LoL coach right? Coaching a video game team is not "for fun and entertainment".
I shouldn't have said BAD game. It's a relatively casual game with some neat elements. It has no room being a professional e-sport. The only reason it's even starting to become one is because it's free and ridiculously easy to play, so it's got tons of players and thusly lots of potential viewers.
The only real interesting aspect of a pro game would be their strategies, but with only 5 maximum "units" there's only so much variation.
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On March 05 2012 14:14 juicyjames wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 14:00 1Eris1 wrote:On March 05 2012 13:52 Grampz wrote:On March 05 2012 13:35 1Eris1 wrote:On March 05 2012 13:27 Forikorder wrote:On March 05 2012 13:24 Navillus wrote:On March 05 2012 13:18 Forikorder wrote:On March 05 2012 13:14 FinestHour wrote:The LoL scene is growing at such a frightening fast pace, will definitely not be surprised to see it become as big as starcraft in korea...which made me start practicing it thing is from what ive heard LoL doesnt have much long term viability, i think its mainly the makers who are sponsoring the tournys while Blizz has pretty much washed its hands off supporting SC2 after NASL also with MLGs winter arena tournaments are starting to figure out how to turn a profit, Sundance has said that the winter arena is a sustainable bussiness without any sponsors (whicch i beleive is the only event in SC2 history) so to sponsors theyll look at LoL and see viewers and an industry that is gobbling up money and theyll look at SC2 and see a scene that is starting to become sustainable and start spending money over there also i wouldnt be surprised if LoL teams are mainly springing up becuase they see big tourny prises and less that theres a huge giant viewrbase but i dont have access to any numbers here and just guessing This is really wishful thinking, LoL has a base larger viewer base than SCII just because it's F2P, if SCII manages to ever find a model that is sustainable LoL will too and will have it better, if we don't... they still might, but if they fail with the support their getting and the much higher viewer count (and that's really what matters, the viewer count is what's going to decide how much money tournies make and whether they'll be able to float) then you can be sure that Starcraft will fail too. lol is F2P which alot of people point at oh look becuase its free alot of people paly it and watch it MLG found out how to sustainable with PPV, how many people are gonna say "well if im not even willing to pay to paly the game why would i pay to watch it?" SC2 viewerbase is growing fast, not jsut people who play the game but alot of people who dont, youll never walk into a bar and see LoL on the screen anytime soon Um SC2's viewerbase has actually shrunk considerably. And LoL has already started working on several barcrafts http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=12923085Please don't make up stuff, I don't like LoL that much either, but to shit on it or to lie about it isn't cool. lol since when? Every mlg and GSL, the 2 biggest tournaments/leagues in the world had their numbers grow EVERY event last year. What are you talking about? Have you even looked at GOM's vod/viewer numbers...? It's been pretty stable for the last few events (except Blizzard Cup), but it's well below that of several of their earlier events. The recently finished HOT6iX GSL has higher viewer numbers than January 2011's GSL, which was one year ago and the first season still behind a pay-wall. Although the Open Season 1 and Open Season 2 peaked higher than the HOT6iX GSL's viewer numbers, they seem overall lower. GSL Open Season 3 peaked and has on-average lower views than the HOT6iX GSL.
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PS 2011 only
PPS gomtv.com numbers are significantly higher than gomtv.net, because korean gsl is free and don't have a pay wall.
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On March 05 2012 14:12 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 14:09 docvoc wrote:
is it true that he literally went snowboarding and got drunk? Seriously guys if thats trolling stop it he was the oGs.Cool that won GSL 1 and won it when zergs were having issues against terran, he was the "SaviOr-esque difference" of his time winning when terran seemed to dominate. Still i'm confused why he thinks his SC2 career is over, he could stay on TSL and play Starcraft, be like the TheWinD and coach etc. I'm confused, but maybe LoL is his calling. He enjoys LoL, during his practice, you always saw him playing LoL just because he enjoys the game. It's an opinion, now people should stop calling LoL an easy game or whatever, it's different, it's still fun for certain people.
But it's a stupidly easy game to master with a low skill ceiling. I'm just as good as my friends who have been playing for two years, and probably even better than them. I just roll Garen and herp derp smash things in the face.
I'm not good at like any video game. I went semi pro in CoD 2, but after that I'm just mediocre at most video games so it's not like I'm a damn exception. I suck at Starcraft 2, it's just a completely different level of skill and strategy.
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On March 05 2012 14:15 zEnVy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 14:08 Caphe wrote:On March 05 2012 14:04 zEnVy wrote:
LoL is such an unbelievably bad game. Incredibly low ceiling cap. I played like 10-15 games and would just rofl stop everybody. Yeah, right. Just play some more and you will end up in the LoL sub-forum QQ thread soon enough. Trust me! Talking about skill-cap, do you know that Zenio play WoW and raid once a week? People play games for fun and entertainment . You do realize this thread is about a professional LoL coach right? Coaching a video game team is not "for fun and entertainment". I shouldn't have said BAD game. It's a relatively casual game with some neat elements. It has no room being a professional e-sport. The only reason it's even starting to become one is because it's free and ridiculously easy to play, so it's got tons of players and thusly lots of potential viewers. The only real interesting aspect of a pro game would be their strategies, but with only 5 maximum "units" there's only so much variation.
I always love posts like these because the people making them have no idea what the fuck they are talking about.
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On March 05 2012 14:14 juicyjames wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 14:00 1Eris1 wrote:On March 05 2012 13:52 Grampz wrote:On March 05 2012 13:35 1Eris1 wrote:On March 05 2012 13:27 Forikorder wrote:On March 05 2012 13:24 Navillus wrote:On March 05 2012 13:18 Forikorder wrote:On March 05 2012 13:14 FinestHour wrote:The LoL scene is growing at such a frightening fast pace, will definitely not be surprised to see it become as big as starcraft in korea...which made me start practicing it thing is from what ive heard LoL doesnt have much long term viability, i think its mainly the makers who are sponsoring the tournys while Blizz has pretty much washed its hands off supporting SC2 after NASL also with MLGs winter arena tournaments are starting to figure out how to turn a profit, Sundance has said that the winter arena is a sustainable bussiness without any sponsors (whicch i beleive is the only event in SC2 history) so to sponsors theyll look at LoL and see viewers and an industry that is gobbling up money and theyll look at SC2 and see a scene that is starting to become sustainable and start spending money over there also i wouldnt be surprised if LoL teams are mainly springing up becuase they see big tourny prises and less that theres a huge giant viewrbase but i dont have access to any numbers here and just guessing This is really wishful thinking, LoL has a base larger viewer base than SCII just because it's F2P, if SCII manages to ever find a model that is sustainable LoL will too and will have it better, if we don't... they still might, but if they fail with the support their getting and the much higher viewer count (and that's really what matters, the viewer count is what's going to decide how much money tournies make and whether they'll be able to float) then you can be sure that Starcraft will fail too. lol is F2P which alot of people point at oh look becuase its free alot of people paly it and watch it MLG found out how to sustainable with PPV, how many people are gonna say "well if im not even willing to pay to paly the game why would i pay to watch it?" SC2 viewerbase is growing fast, not jsut people who play the game but alot of people who dont, youll never walk into a bar and see LoL on the screen anytime soon Um SC2's viewerbase has actually shrunk considerably. And LoL has already started working on several barcrafts http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=12923085Please don't make up stuff, I don't like LoL that much either, but to shit on it or to lie about it isn't cool. lol since when? Every mlg and GSL, the 2 biggest tournaments/leagues in the world had their numbers grow EVERY event last year. What are you talking about? Have you even looked at GOM's vod/viewer numbers...? It's been pretty stable for the last few events (except Blizzard Cup), but it's well below that of several of their earlier events. The recently finished HOT6iX GSL has higher viewer numbers than January 2011's GSL, which was one year ago and the first season still behind a pay-wall. Although the Open Season 1 and Open Season 2 peaked higher than the HOT6iX GSL's viewer numbers, they seem overall lower. GSL Open Season 3 peaked and has on-average lower views than the HOT6iX GSL.
i don't think your method of measurement is very accurate. the group stages of the latest GSL are much longer and i have to break up my viewing in 3 or more sessions resulting in triple the normal view count. the january 2011 GSL i could watch a group stage in a single sitting.
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On March 05 2012 14:15 zEnVy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 14:08 Caphe wrote:On March 05 2012 14:04 zEnVy wrote:
LoL is such an unbelievably bad game. Incredibly low ceiling cap. I played like 10-15 games and would just rofl stop everybody. Yeah, right. Just play some more and you will end up in the LoL sub-forum QQ thread soon enough. Trust me! Talking about skill-cap, do you know that Zenio play WoW and raid once a week? People play games for fun and entertainment . You do realize this thread is about a professional LoL coach right? Coaching a video game team is not "for fun and entertainment". I shouldn't have said BAD game. It's a relatively casual game with some neat elements. It has no room being a professional e-sport. The only reason it's even starting to become one is because it's free and ridiculously easy to play, so it's got tons of players and thusly lots of potential viewers. The only real interesting aspect of a pro game would be their strategies, but with only 5 maximum "units" there's only so much variation.
Its easy to bash something when you put out zero reasons that support your thesis.
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