Fruitdealer to Coach LoL team

On March 05 2012 13:03 dongus wrote:
I don't understand. What's there to coach in LoL?

On March 05 2012 13:01 publicenemies wrote:
Those who can't play, coach.

On March 05 2012 13:01 publicenemies wrote:
Those who can't play, coach.

On March 05 2012 13:07 Forikorder wrote:
whats with all the SC players going to LoL coachs...?

On March 05 2012 13:09 bokchoi wrote:


they basically gave-up their youth, education, and lives to play video games.. not a lot going for them

On March 05 2012 13:09 bokchoi wrote:


they basically gave-up their youth, education, and lives to play video games.. not a lot going for them

On March 05 2012 13:12 Forikorder wrote:

ya im sure BoxeR gave up his life to be a succesful SC player, i mean if he did something worthwhile he might be famous world wide made tons of money and had a hot GF

and Polt, i mean he could ahve gone to a high level university or something

On March 05 2012 13:12 Forikorder wrote:

ya im sure BoxeR gave up his life to be a succesful SC player, i mean if he did something worthwhile he might be famous world wide made tons of money and had a hot GF

and Polt, i mean he could ahve gone to a high level university or something

On March 05 2012 13:14 FinestHour wrote:
The LoL scene is growing at such a frightening fast pace, will definitely not be surprised to see it become as big as starcraft in korea...which made me start practicing it

On March 05 2012 13:08 pt wrote:
guess ill be the first to say it. in lol, you control 1 character and you have teammates. coaching would be like playing starcraft ^^

On March 05 2012 13:05 Rinrun wrote:

It's a team sport? There is coordination? Plays?
I know what you're trying to say though lol.

On March 05 2012 12:55 Shellshock1122 wrote:
No surprise. His sc2 career has pretty much been over since iem NY

On March 05 2012 13:18 Forikorder wrote:

thing is from what ive heard LoL doesnt have much long term viability, i think its mainly the makers who are sponsoring the tournys while Blizz has pretty much washed its hands off supporting SC2 after NASL

also with MLGs winter arena tournaments are starting to figure out how to turn a profit, Sundance has said that the winter arena is a sustainable bussiness without any sponsors (whicch i beleive is the only event in SC2 history) so to sponsors theyll look at LoL and see viewers and an industry that is gobbling up money and theyll look at SC2 and see a scene that is starting to become sustainable and start spending money over there

also i wouldnt be surprised if LoL teams are mainly springing up becuase they see big tourny prises and less that theres a huge giant viewrbase but i dont have access to any numbers here and just guessing

On March 05 2012 13:12 Forikorder wrote:

ya im sure BoxeR gave up his life to be a succesful SC player, i mean if he did something worthwhile he might be famous world wide made tons of money and had a hot GF

and Polt, i mean he could ahve gone to a high level university or something

On March 05 2012 13:15 DystopiaX wrote:

There are those that burn out and have nothing left- the people you can't name off the top of your head. And while Polt is a nice example, he's an exception. There's a reason why you singled him out and only him- there are so few SC players in University that those that are are known for it.

People have already mentioned this but nice job picking the best SC player ever and a huge exception to the rule in Polt, the fact is for every Polt there are a dozen B-teamers that we never see who are giving up years of their lives that could go to classes or jobs to play a video game that just by the numbers the majority of them won't be stars in, that's how being a star works. And right now the SCII scene isn't big enough or strong enough to give real prospects to non-stars, hell even some of the most successful players see this, look at Stephano if anyone can make it just on Starcraft he could but he still would rather retire early and start into something else.

On March 05 2012 13:19 dongus wrote:



Oh the mods think I'm trolling because its my first post -.-

I was just being curious on what is there to coach at LoL

Because I never get to play MOBAs and don't see any necessary things to coach

On March 05 2012 13:21 bokeevboke wrote:


if you never played it, how can you judge it? Prejuduice?

On March 05 2012 13:12 Forikorder wrote:

ya im sure BoxeR gave up his life to be a succesful SC player, i mean if he did something worthwhile he might be famous world wide made tons of money and had a hot GF

and Polt, i mean he could ahve gone to a high level university or something

On March 05 2012 13:18 Forikorder wrote:

thing is from what ive heard LoL doesnt have much long term viability, i think its mainly the makers who are sponsoring the tournys while Blizz has pretty much washed its hands off supporting SC2 after NASL

also with MLGs winter arena tournaments are starting to figure out how to turn a profit, Sundance has said that the winter arena is a sustainable bussiness without any sponsors (whicch i beleive is the only event in SC2 history) so to sponsors theyll look at LoL and see viewers and an industry that is gobbling up money and theyll look at SC2 and see a scene that is starting to become sustainable and start spending money over there

also i wouldnt be surprised if LoL teams are mainly springing up becuase they see big tourny prises and less that theres a huge giant viewrbase but i dont have access to any numbers here and just guessing

On March 05 2012 13:21 bokeevboke wrote:


if you never played it, how can you judge it? Prejuduice?

On March 05 2012 13:24 Navillus wrote:


This is really wishful thinking, LoL has a base larger viewer base than SCII just because it's F2P, if SCII manages to ever find a model that is sustainable LoL will too and will have it better, if we don't... they still might, but if they fail with the support their getting and the much higher viewer count (and that's really what matters, the viewer count is what's going to decide how much money tournies make and whether they'll be able to float) then you can be sure that Starcraft will fail too.

On March 05 2012 13:21 Forikorder wrote:

your acting like SC2 is a dead end profession, it isnt you can win enough money to transition out of it if you really badly want to or you can go into coaching or commentating

the only difference between a SC2 player and any other sport player except Chess i guess is theres less money in the SC2 community for now but with the salaries palyers make from there teams theres nothing stopping them from pursuing tertiary education

On March 05 2012 13:21 Forikorder wrote:

your acting like SC2 is a dead end profession, it isnt you can win enough money to transition out of it if you really badly want to or you can go into coaching or commentating the only difference between a SC2 player and any other sport player except Chess i guess is theres less money in the SC2 community for now but with the salaries palyers make from there teams theres nothing stopping them from pursuing tertiary education

On March 05 2012 13:27 Forikorder wrote:

lol is F2P which alot of people point at

oh look becuase its free alot of people paly it and watch it

MLG found out how to sustainable with PPV, how many people are gonna say "well if im not even willing to pay to paly the game why would i pay to watch it?"

SC2 viewerbase is growing fast, not jsut people who play the game but alot of people who dont, youll never walk into a bar and see LoL on the screen anytime soon

On March 05 2012 13:31 therockmanxx wrote:
Ok so LoLis killing Bw and now LoL is killing sc2
Esport is changing so fast xD

On March 05 2012 13:30 babylon wrote:

I find LoL a headache and a bore to watch and play, but it does have a bigger playerbase and a bigger viewership base, primarily because the playerbase is so huge. I doubt SC2 will catch up anytime soon. Blizzard had its chance, but they crushed it (esp. in Korea).

On March 05 2012 13:27 Forikorder wrote:

lol is F2P which alot of people point at

oh look becuase its free alot of people paly it and watch it

MLG found out how to sustainable with PPV, how many people are gonna say "well if im not even willing to pay to paly the game why would i pay to watch it?"

SC2 viewerbase is growing fast, not jsut people who play the game but alot of people who dont, youll never walk into a bar and see LoL on the screen anytime soon

On March 05 2012 13:02 Neurosis wrote:
From bw to sc2 to LoL. I can't think of an easier "esport" so this has to be it for him I guess -_-

On March 05 2012 13:26 eviltomahawk wrote:
First YellOw, now FruitDealer?

Makes me sad, but best of wishes to both of them.

On March 05 2012 13:19 Fusa wrote:


I don't understand people when they say you don't need a coach because it is a "team " sport??

everyone has a coach, professional counter strike teams/ halo teams / hockey teams, and in this context everything still applies to individual sports (swimming / badminton / ping-pong / sc2 )

On March 05 2012 13:26 eviltomahawk wrote:
First YellOw, now FruitDealer?

Makes me sad, but best of wishes to both of them.

On March 05 2012 13:08 pt wrote:
guess ill be the first to say it. in lol, you control 1 character and you have teammates. coaching would be like playing starcraft ^^

On March 05 2012 13:08 pallad wrote:


then what team coach are you ?

On March 05 2012 13:38 Falling wrote:


Not only that, but Kim Carrier will be casting for LoL. I don't know, it's nice to see them continue on in and as MOBA is such a new esport, some old BW hands will bring some welcome experience.

On March 05 2012 13:44 Dubzex wrote:

MOBAs are new to esports? I'm guessing you haven't heard of DotA then. It has been, and still is, an esport (mainly in China now, but lets be honest now they can pretty much fuel any esport they want with the resources they have).

On March 05 2012 13:43 orangesunglasses wrote:
yeh i gota be honest i cant see a LoL coach being needed. the way the game is played everyone knows everything about everything or else you cant be good at that genre of game. its true with wow arena and basically any pvp rpg. its nice to see he found work but eh..

On March 05 2012 13:35 1Eris1 wrote:


Um SC2's viewerbase has actually shrunk considerably.
And LoL has already started working on several barcrafts
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=12923085

Please don't make up stuff, I don't like LoL that much either, but to shit on it or to lie about it isn't cool.

On March 05 2012 13:52 Grampz wrote:

lol since when? Every mlg and GSL, the 2 biggest tournaments/leagues in the world had their numbers grow EVERY event last year. What are you talking about?

On March 05 2012 13:52 Grampz wrote:

lol since when? Every mlg and GSL, the 2 biggest tournaments/leagues in the world had their numbers grow EVERY event last year. What are you talking about?

On March 05 2012 13:52 Grampz wrote:

lol since when? Every mlg and GSL, the 2 biggest tournaments/leagues in the world had their numbers grow EVERY event last year. What are you talking about?

On March 05 2012 14:01 johnny123 wrote:


just ignore these trolls with all the baseless facts. People who like LOL, good for you . People who like starcraft 2, good for us. I prefer sc2 , even though i play both.

@fruitdealer, Well i guess a move like this is only natural. He wasnt going anywhere in sc2, with such poor results its only natural one transfers to an easier game.

On March 05 2012 13:01 publicenemies wrote:
Those who can't play, coach.

On March 05 2012 14:04 zEnVy wrote:
LoL is such an unbelievably bad game. Incredibly low ceiling cap. I played like 10-15 games and would just rofl stop everybody.

On March 05 2012 14:08 Caphe wrote:

Yeah, right. Just play some more and you will end up in the LoL sub-forum QQ thread soon enough. Trust me!
Talking about skill-cap, do you know that Zenio play WoW and raid once a week? People play games for fun and entertainment .

On March 05 2012 14:14 juicyjames wrote:

The recently finished HOT6iX GSL has higher viewer numbers than January 2011's GSL, which was one year ago and the first season still behind a pay-wall. Although the Open Season 1 and Open Season 2 peaked higher than the HOT6iX GSL's viewer numbers, they seem overall lower. GSL Open Season 3 peaked and has on-average lower views than the HOT6iX GSL.

On March 05 2012 14:12 FiWiFaKi wrote:


He enjoys LoL, during his practice, you always saw him playing LoL just because he enjoys the game. It's an opinion, now people should stop calling LoL an easy game or whatever, it's different, it's still fun for certain people.

On March 05 2012 14:15 zEnVy wrote:


You do realize this thread is about a professional LoL coach right? Coaching a video game team is not "for fun and entertainment".

I shouldn't have said BAD game. It's a relatively casual game with some neat elements. It has no room being a professional e-sport. The only reason it's even starting to become one is because it's free and ridiculously easy to play, so it's got tons of players and thusly lots of potential viewers.

The only real interesting aspect of a pro game would be their strategies, but with only 5 maximum "units" there's only so much variation.

On March 05 2012 14:14 juicyjames wrote:

The recently finished HOT6iX GSL has higher viewer numbers than January 2011's GSL, which was one year ago and the first season still behind a pay-wall. Although the Open Season 1 and Open Season 2 peaked higher than the HOT6iX GSL's viewer numbers, they seem overall lower. GSL Open Season 3 peaked and has on-average lower views than the HOT6iX GSL.

On March 05 2012 14:15 zEnVy wrote:


You do realize this thread is about a professional LoL coach right? Coaching a video game team is not "for fun and entertainment".

I shouldn't have said BAD game. It's a relatively casual game with some neat elements. It has no room being a professional e-sport. The only reason it's even starting to become one is because it's free and ridiculously easy to play, so it's got tons of players and thusly lots of potential viewers.

The only real interesting aspect of a pro game would be their strategies, but with only 5 maximum "units" there's only so much variation.

On March 05 2012 14:18 zEnVy wrote:


But it's a stupidly easy game to master with a low skill ceiling. I'm just as good as my friends who have been playing for two years, and probably even better than them. I just roll Garen and herp derp smash things in the face.

I'm not good at like any video game. I went semi pro in CoD 2, but after that I'm just mediocre at most video games so it's not like I'm a damn exception. I suck at Starcraft 2, it's just a completely different level of skill and strategy.

On March 05 2012 14:14 juicyjames wrote:

The recently finished HOT6iX GSL has higher viewer numbers than January 2011's GSL, which was one year ago and the first season still behind a pay-wall. Although the Open Season 1 and Open Season 2 peaked higher than the HOT6iX GSL's viewer numbers, they seem overall lower. GSL Open Season 3 peaked and has on-average lower views than the HOT6iX GSL.

On March 05 2012 13:21 Forikorder wrote:

your acting like SC2 is a dead end profession, it isnt you can win enough money to transition out of it if you really badly want to or you can go into coaching or commentating

the only difference between a SC2 player and any other sport player except Chess i guess is theres less money in the SC2 community for now but with the salaries palyers make from there teams theres nothing stopping them from pursuing tertiary education

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On March 05 2012 14:18 zEnVy wrote:


But it's a stupidly easy game to master with a low skill ceiling. I'm just as good as my friends who have been playing for two years, and probably even better than them. I just roll Garen and herp derp smash things in the face.

I'm not good at like any video game. I went semi pro in CoD 2, but after that I'm just mediocre at most video games so it's not like I'm a damn exception. I suck at Starcraft 2, it's just a completely different level of skill and strategy.

On March 05 2012 14:20 lkjewq wrote:
I would venture to say that LoL is more dynamic than sc2. Sorry there's 50+ heroes against 3 races. If LoL could figure out how to balance more maps it would be quite a breakthrough.

I've played both. I'm only a 1600 level player in LoL after nearly 6 months of playing whereas I was a grandmaster in SC2 for multiple seasons. NA and EU although I played sc2 for nearly a year.

LoL is a different genre of game than sc2 and they really cant be compared. (yes I know I just compared them a little)

if people practice LoL just as hard as they practice SC2 or BW it would be just as difficult and high level. Remember how people used to say SC2 competition was a farce? Well yeah it was the first few seasons, LoL is in it's first few seasons as well.

On March 05 2012 14:15 Primadog wrote:



PS 2011 only
PPS gomtv.com numbers are significantly higher than gomtv.net, because korean gsl is free and don't have a pay wall.

On March 05 2012 14:59 DanLee wrote:

Am I the only one that realizes the combined VOD views are in no way representative of declining viewership. I don't know the specifics of how GOM tracks views if it counts one person watching a VOD 3 times as one view or three views. There is a few different things at play here, first thing is that these are VODs not the actual live stream count.(If these are live stream counts and just called VOD for whatever reason than disregard this entire post). Another point is that the older a VOD is the more time it has to accumulate views, so an older VOD will naturally have more views than a newer one(people going back and watching fruitdealer's run through GSL S1?). Another point I guess is the round of 32 having more views than the finals, this should be a dead giveaway that these numbers are meaningless. It's no secret that way more people watch the finals of GSL than any other matches, so the only reason the round of 32 or 16 and so on have more views is because of people going back and watching games they didn't catch live(the finals come to mind here.) Hopefully I have shed some light on what I think is pretty shady use of random statistics.

On March 05 2012 14:54 Gentso wrote:


50 heroes that get reduced to a few different roles. League champs are super similar. There's so many aspects to SC2 that make it more dynamic that I really refuse to believe that you were grandmaster. There's economy, maps, more than 50 units, multitasking, air units, building placement, timings, the list literally goes on forever. If you want a truly dynamic MOBA, you should be playing DOTA2. BTW, a grandmaster of SC2 should EASILY be able to be 2k elo+ in League. I only played SC2 when there was diamond league, and that was my league. I played League for a little while and hit 2k easily and quickly after getting to level 30. Seriously, you queue and you fulfill either bruisier top, ap mid, jungle, and ad carry or support bottom. The champions fulfill those roles, and their designs and really prevent what you think could be dynamic. I quit playing as soon as I got a beta key to DOTA2.

That said, I feel like League is still in its infancy stages when it comes to the pro scene. It's seriously a joke. All the of the top teams of League atm are a joke, none of them are very professional at all. They're pretty much all a bunch of decent players together on a team. If there were any disciplined team out there like a Staretale that looked at the game, figured it out, and aimed to elevate the game then that would be great. The level of skill in League I'd say is comparable to SC2 beta where everyone just all-in'd all the time.

edit: People talking about skill ceilings in SC2 is ridiculous. Mechanically, people may have gotten to the sufficient level. But people are getting better all of the time and at a good rate. There's still a lot to learn and explore. How confident would you be sending in the top player of right now in the future to about a year from now to play against their top players? Not very confident!!

On March 05 2012 15:00 Dfgj wrote:
FD's a guy that was considered to have good talent but not be a hard worker. I'm not sure I'd want him coaching.

On March 05 2012 15:03 jidolboy wrote:

I am pretty sure that stats were taken every end of each month. Correct me if I am wrong though

On March 05 2012 15:04 how2TL wrote:


LoL is to DOTA 2 what SC2 is to BW. Watching someone insult LoL while defending SC2 is hilarious.

On March 05 2012 15:06 Yaki wrote:
We all kinda knew it was coming, now it came it's a little bit sad because I think he didn't exploit his sc2 potential at his fullest.

On March 05 2012 14:32 sluggaslamoo wrote:


Hey man SC2 has had 2 years of evolution, we don't know what LoL will be like in 2 years. Just give it time and wait till its fully matured. Look how much HotS will change SC2, you have no idea how much can change, and we will have just as high level play just like SC2.

Also there is no such thing as a skill ceiling, removing tedious things like macro frees up apm so the players can focus better on other more interesting tasks, no macro means more micro and more strategy. Now you don't need to have 300 apm to be good at the game, and people who are better at strategy will win instead of just whoever is a korean mechanical robot.

On March 05 2012 14:32 sluggaslamoo wrote:


Hey man SC2 has had 2 years of evolution, we don't know what LoL will be like in 2 years. Just give it time and wait till its fully matured. Look how much HotS will change SC2, you have no idea how much can change, and we will have just as high level play just like SC2.

Also there is no such thing as a skill ceiling, removing tedious things like macro frees up apm so the players can focus better on other more interesting tasks, no macro means more micro and more strategy. Now you don't need to have 300 apm to be good at the game, and people who are better at strategy will win instead of just whoever is a korean mechanical robot.

There's no "better strategy" in LoL, and it's been out a while.

On March 05 2012 15:17 Gentso wrote:


YES THERE IS!! The professional scene in League is not what you think. There are so many concepts and styles to explore in a professional setting of league it's ridiculous. DOTA1 used to be the same way and then disciplined and professional (foreign) teams figured the game out and really brought it to another level.

On March 05 2012 15:10 Gentso wrote:


LOL WTFFFF!! With those two sentences you seriously have discredited anything you can say in this thread. LoL is a simple moba without many mechanics. DOTA2 is deep and has many great and unforgiving mechanics. SC2 is extremely fast, a game of seconds, requires lots of high level mechanics, decision making, micro and macro. Seriously the things you guys are saying is RIDICULOUS. I feel like you guys have lost interest in SC2 and that's why suddenly you start bashing it.

On March 05 2012 14:59 DanLee wrote:

Am I the only one that realizes the combined VOD views are in no way representative of declining viewership. I don't know the specifics of how GOM tracks views if it counts one person watching a VOD 3 times as one view or three views. There is a few different things at play here, first thing is that these are VODs not the actual live stream count.(If these are live stream counts and just called VOD for whatever reason than disregard this entire post). Another point is that the older a VOD is the more time it has to accumulate views, so an older VOD will naturally have more views than a newer one(people going back and watching fruitdealer's run through GSL S1?). Another point I guess is the round of 32 having more views than the finals, this should be a dead giveaway that these numbers are meaningless. It's no secret that way more people watch the finals of GSL than any other matches, so the only reason the round of 32 or 16 and so on have more views is because of people going back and watching games they didn't catch live(the finals come to mind here.) Hopefully I have shed some light on what I think is pretty shady use of random statistics.

On March 05 2012 15:15 Falling wrote:

I see what you did there

But seriously the SC2 elitism vs LoL can stop or we can call in the BW 'elitists' and have a real rumble. This really isn't the thread to hate on another game. It's fun, it's competitive and some BW/SC2 players and casters are moving to it.

On March 05 2012 15:20 tyCe wrote:

No, I disagree. I think it is a pretty valid analogy.

Sure, LoL is a far easier game than DotA mechanics-wise; but so is SC2 compared with BW. In fact, I would argue that DotA itself is actually a very easy game mechanics-wise compared to BW and SC2, and LoL is even simpler. However, a simple game does not mean that it is a bad game. In fact, the best games in history have all been simpler than their counterparts. I would say that BW > SC2 > DotA > LoL in difficulty is pretty valid, but whichever game is better is a matter of preference.

Another similarity is SC2's elimination of "silly" chores of BW, e.g. stacking, manual mining, very limited control grouping, buggy AI, multiple terran building attachments and so forth, and its addition of "extra" strategical depth, e.g. watchtowers, gold bases. LoL has AP (i.e. spellcaster) scaling to allow for lategame spellcasting carries, clear jungle objectives beyond a single Roshan, brush as opposed to unpredictable jungle vision, lower power-curves to allow for reasonable comebacks, less focus on farming etc.

A veteran of the respective games may say the new versions lack depth, while fans of the new games will say that their version is simpler, more intuitive and made for a new generation.

On March 05 2012 13:56 jidolboy wrote:


I am not sure about MLG but I read somewhere on a article that GSL viewers decreased every year

On March 05 2012 15:41 bokeevboke wrote:
Pls stop arguing and comparing, its different genres 1v1 and 5v5. If you think you don't need skill to play LoL then how about basketball? its the same, 5 players vs 5 players, each player has a role, no macro. But it still requires coaching, training and have lots of viewers.

overall, imo LoL is a better game than sc2.

On March 05 2012 15:44 cmen15 wrote:

You just said not to compare.... lolol

On March 05 2012 15:48 jongzor wrote:
It's a shame he couldn't continue to elevate his career after his first GSL, but he definitely left an impression when he was in his prime. Even though the majority of the play in the first GSL was pretty craptastic compared to what we're all accustomed to now, his use of 3 range roaches and baneling drops were amazing...oh and the glitched ultras vs thors was great as well.

On March 05 2012 13:27 Forikorder wrote:

lol is F2P which alot of people point at

oh look becuase its free alot of people paly it and watch it

MLG found out how to sustainable with PPV, how many people are gonna say "well if im not even willing to pay to paly the game why would i pay to watch it?"

SC2 viewerbase is growing fast, not jsut people who play the game but alot of people who dont, youll never walk into a bar and see LoL on the screen anytime soon

On March 05 2012 15:47 bokeevboke wrote:


Dude I was talking about skill-ceiling comparison.
But, as a game, as a whole, I prefer LoL over sc2. Its easier, not so frustrating, and there is always someone to blame

On March 05 2012 17:08 enecateReAP wrote:


There's always someone to blame in SC2, yourself, if you aren't blaming yourself then you aren't improving, which is probibly why you're getting frustrated and loosing.
Don't generalise based on your experiances.

On March 05 2012 16:42 Catatonic wrote:

You dont need to see it at a bar though. Even with barcrafts viewership of LoL exceeds that of sc2. I know alot of people will deny that as false just on fanaticism but its only the truth. Both games are young but as Esports grows so will both an to say that SC2's fan base is larger is just plan false I mean look at IEM Kiev. On the SC2 streams when I was watching there were between 2.5k an 15k but when I was watching LoL I never saw less then 22k viewers. An it being F2P has nothing to do with it. There are just more people wanting to view LoL then SC2 its not a knock on the game since SC2 is an absolutely brilliant game. So just because itll never be viewed at a bar dosnt mean its viewership is any less. An who's to say itll never be shown at a barcraft, I doubt you can see the future.

On March 05 2012 17:11 bokeevboke wrote:


ok dude, again, I said "imo" and "I prefer". I didn't generalize.

Its easier, not so frustrating, and there is always someone to blame

On March 05 2012 15:47 bokeevboke wrote:


Dude I was talking about skill-ceiling comparison.
But, as a game, as a whole, I prefer LoL over sc2. Its easier, not so frustrating, and there is always someone to blame

On March 05 2012 17:36 Supamang wrote:
I don't understand how people find SC2 frustrating when its pretty obvious your losses are due to your own shortcomings. Losing in SC2 sucks, but it was never rage inducing for me because I could always look at a replay and see what I did wrong. Playing MW3, on the other hand....ever single death feels like I should not have died. It is the most rage inducing game I have ever played, and thats including Dota and HoN (which I think have the most enraged nerd bases Ive ever experienced).

From my experience, when your losses/deaths feel like theyre as a result of your own shortcomings rather than the game being full of shit there is less frustration because youre in control of how you prevent it from happening next time.

On March 05 2012 17:48 NMx.StyX wrote:
don't forget his perfect game vs oGsTop on scrap station, 3base ling muta into ultralisk to destroy Top's mech army... was beautiful

On March 05 2012 13:24 Navillus wrote:


This is really wishful thinking, LoL has a base larger viewer base than SCII just because it's F2P, if SCII manages to ever find a model that is sustainable LoL will too and will have it better, if we don't... they still might, but if they fail with the support their getting and the much higher viewer count (and that's really what matters, the viewer count is what's going to decide how much money tournies make and whether they'll be able to float) then you can be sure that Starcraft will fail too.

On March 05 2012 18:01 Caliber wrote:
part of me just died knowing the first GSL winner isnt going to play sc2 competitively anymore. i had such a blast watching the first gsl and thats what really got me into playing sc2 at a high level. rip fd

On March 05 2012 13:21 Navillus wrote:


People have already mentioned this but nice job picking the best SC player ever and a huge exception to the rule in Polt, the fact is for every Polt there are a dozen B-teamers that we never see who are giving up years of their lives that could go to classes or jobs to play a video game that just by the numbers the majority of them won't be stars in, that's how being a star works. And right now the SCII scene isn't big enough or strong enough to give real prospects to non-stars, hell even some of the most successful players see this, look at Stephano if anyone can make it just on Starcraft he could but he still would rather retire early and start into something else.

On March 05 2012 18:13 ETisME wrote:
yellow also is a coach for a LoL team now.
Seems the heat of LoL is quite strong in Korea too

On March 05 2012 18:24 Zealot Orgy wrote:


I view it as kids who get super-excited for the new toy.


I mean ther's not a single Korean team that's even remotely close to be in the top10 of the best LoL teams, yet they are showing an impressive dedication to the game.

On March 05 2012 17:30 Sephy90 wrote:

I have to highly disagree with this. I don't mean to bash the game but it really is easy to play and when people make really newb mistakes it can be the most frustrating thing in video-gaming. I understand people make mistakes but when you don't kill the right target don't look at the mini-map don't participate in teamfights not using your ult. I'm not sure if you understand what I mean but there's a difference in making newb mistakes and making normal mistakes

On March 05 2012 16:42 Catatonic wrote:

You dont need to see it at a bar though. Even with barcrafts viewership of LoL exceeds that of sc2. I know alot of people will deny that as false just on fanaticism but its only the truth. Both games are young but as Esports grows so will both an to say that SC2's fan base is larger is just plan false I mean look at IEM Kiev. On the SC2 streams when I was watching there were between 2.5k an 15k but when I was watching LoL I never saw less then 22k viewers. An it being F2P has nothing to do with it. There are just more people wanting to view LoL then SC2 its not a knock on the game since SC2 is an absolutely brilliant game. So just because itll never be viewed at a bar dosnt mean its viewership is any less. An who's to say itll never be shown at a barcraft, I doubt you can see the future.

On March 05 2012 13:03 dongus wrote:
I don't understand. What's there to coach in LoL?

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On March 05 2012 18:36 bokeevboke wrote:

its no secret you gotta do 10x more things in sc2 than in LoL. And you need constant concentration, do things quickly, so on. In LoL you can just chill while you're dead or simply teleport back. You have somewhat ingame interaction, chat with people, don't feel lonely. Those things make LoL a better game for me. Afterall game should be fun and relaxing.

On March 05 2012 13:35 1Eris1 wrote:


Um SC2's viewerbase has actually shrunk considerably.
And LoL has already started working on several barcrafts
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=12923085

Please don't make up stuff, I don't like LoL that much either, but to shit on it or to lie about it isn't cool.

On March 05 2012 20:07 c_kAelle wrote:
I don't get it. Why would Koreans even enjoy LoL? DotA 2 is waay better than it in everything (it's still beta though). Hopefully Korean MOBA pros will all switch over to DotA 2 once it's open beta or final release, for the sake of eSports.

On March 05 2012 19:25 Sephy90 wrote:

I can understand your feelings~ but for me in SC2 I didn't really get frustrated as much as I see other people getting. Even when I played in BW I didn't get upset just.. got too intimidated to even play games anymore because of how good people were and how difficult I thought the game was.

Going from BW to SC2 was a sort of relaxing transition for me from all the new mechanics and the units. I guess I was too busy enjoying the new game to even feel flustered lol. I've been playing LoL for over a year now and I've felt more rage playing it than both BW and SC2 combined hehe.

On March 05 2012 18:37 Wildmoon wrote:


I have heard that LoL live audience is quite small.

On March 05 2012 20:23 Jyaki wrote:
FruitDealer was the reason I started playing StarCraft 2 and as Zerg after watching the GSL finals T_T

On March 05 2012 20:27 Xiron wrote:


I guess you should start coaching League of Legends now, lol.
I wonder what he wants to do as a coach in LoL. I mean, he can't observe them as theyre laddering and what would he have to say? 'You have to farm faster!' 'You have to aim that skillshot 2mm lower' ... Wtf?

On March 05 2012 13:21 Dissonance23 wrote:

LoL viewerbase is bigger than SC2s in basically every way, even the top top streamers double the top sc2 streamers most of the time, some can average around 11k viewers. Major LoL tournaments regularly have 100k+ people watching.

On March 05 2012 20:43 Usagi wrote:


Top streamers double... right.
But when you go down 2 or 3 ladders in the streamer numbers, the guys tat are streaming below that have way lower numbers than the SC2 streams.
So it is fine, the streaming numbers for players is still higher in SC2 and more spread out, wich is good.

On March 05 2012 13:08 pt wrote:
guess ill be the first to say it. in lol, you control 1 character and you have teammates. coaching would be like playing starcraft ^^

On March 05 2012 21:44 masterbreti wrote:


I did some research on this. One player that would be considered the top in LoL recieves more stream views then every single sc2 stream combined. This was the exact same time of day as well. Of course this changes with time of the day. but you can't say that LoL isn't more popular than sc2, we would be lying to ourselves.

Though just because LoL is more popular doesn't mean sc2 is dying. Nor does it mean LoL is an eaier game.

You can't directly compare them. LoL has its own skills needed to play, and so does sc2. They both require a different skill cap and make use of different skills.

Saying LoL is easy is not exactly true. In high level games you have to consider a ton of different factors. Same with sc2. You coudl say low level games (bronze/silver) are easy, which would be true, but once you get to a high skill level, it isn't so easy. The game gets harder as people get better.

but again we can't directly compare them, only way we can compare them is by which one we enjoy more. some enjoy sc2 more, some snjoy LoL more.

We shouldn't bitch and compain about LoL though. Its a game like any other, people enjoy said game. Its like people botching that sc2 is too easy compared to bw, even though true. It just causes more tension between the two communities. Lets not have that. Esports is Esports is Esports

On March 05 2012 13:05 Rinrun wrote:

It's a team sport? There is coordination? Plays?
I know what you're trying to say though lol.

Anyways, good luck to him, kind of sad seeing him leave sc2.