Why is the Nydus Worm underused? - Page 22

On March 03 2012 21:53 DaemonX wrote:
Imagine a drop ship that charged you 100/100 and gave an alert to the fucking enemy every time it was given a destination.

That's what a Nydus Worm is.

That's why no one uses them. Otherwise they'd be excellent for moving troops around and might singlehandedly make hydras viable. The annoucement sound effect is the only real deal breaker.

But since they SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH, well, they're totally fucking useless at higher levels. Even for moving your own troops around, yielding so much information to the enemy is just too big a sacrifice. I mean, imagine if you could take island/blocked expos secretly with them? But if you play on Shattered, and your opponent hears the screech and sees his base is clear, first thing he will do is check the island expos.

Okay, Imagine a scenario where both the maps are split in half. and the zerg has no choice but to sit on his ass because the center is defended by planetaries, ghosts, siege tanks, vikings you name it. Terran wants to take a 5th base because he wants to prolong the game, have a superior economy, and have upgrades. are you going to wait 10 minutes in for terran to finally push out when he's 100% comfortable and ready to seal his victory?

On March 04 2012 03:53 Avril_Lavigne wrote:
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Imagine a drop ship that has the cost of 100/100 but is able to transfer an entire 200/200 army to the base of your opponent. It doesn't even have to be his main base. It could be his 5th base, or his 4th base. In success to deny that expansion is WORTH THE MINERALS AND GAS. Mass Nydus is soooooooooo effective against terran in this scenario.

Okay, Imagine a scenario where both the maps are split in half. and the zerg has no choice but to sit on his ass because the center is defended by planetaries, ghosts, siege tanks, vikings you name it. Terran wants to take a 5th base because he wants to prolong the game, have a superior economy, and have upgrades. are you going to wait 10 minutes in for terran to finally push out when he's 100% comfortable and ready to seal his victory? If you want to be active, you force terran to engage you by making him move his army around. you do drops in the main. You nydus his 4th, you nydus his 5th. you hit the center, when he's defending his expansions. you retreat the center when he tries to defend that position, then you nydus his main again and attack him there, and then you nydus his 4th, hell you can nydus both bases and he's got to choose which base to defend. are you saying that you can't exploit any weakness to execute a nydus? You summon one nydus in his 5th base because his army is near his main. he spots it right away and sends scvs to stop it. okay, now summon 4 at the same time. now he's forced to send a good ammount of his forces to that base because scvs alone will not be able to stop all 4 of them at the same time. while he's sending his forces to his expansion because it's in deep threat, you then summon 4 nyduses in his main.. it's called forcing your opponent to stay active, it's called harrassment. This is hard to stop, trust me i've done it before. it's gas heavy but hell i spend everything else on 3-3 cracklings anyway. it's worth it.

You can't instantly transfer a 200/200 army from one side of the map to the other with overlords. pleaase.....

On March 04 2012 04:12 Charon1979 wrote:


And thats the EXACT reason we go Broodlord/Infestor/Corruptor and simply try to kill him.
Using nydus to prevent his 5th means you have some kind of Roach/Ling/Hydra/whatever. You dont want Roaches in this scenario. You dont want Hydras either. You possibly have spare Lings to runby/drop or drop Infestors. But you dont want to use a nydus because 2/3 of your army (Broodlord/Corruptor) can't even use it!
If you are still on Ling/Bling/Infestor/Ultra at this point of time, you simply fucked up and you will lose as you cant take him head on and he will simply go for the base trade as your gazillion Lings just vaporize.

On March 04 2012 04:14 HyperionDreamer wrote:

I'm sorry, you're advocating using 4 nyduses at the same time in ZvT? How do you suggest actually summoning the nyduses when any terran above platinum league makes a huge turret ring? OK, let's say some of the nyduses finish. Now you're fighting in his cramped main with production structures, making his units twice as cost effective as yours.

And I don't know what you're talking about that you can't transfer a 200/200 army with overlords... That's the oNLY thing you can transfer a 200/200 army instantly with, because nydus worms load and unload so slowly that you may as well be dropping from one overlord at a time.

On March 02 2012 14:29 Xapti wrote:
The problems with the nydus network are numerous:
• Nydus network is expensive.
• Worm is a bit expensive
• Worm can die to workers (or even less attacking units) quite easily before it even finishes
• Rate of loading and unloading is a bit slow for some units

To fix nydus worm/network, they should:
• Decrease cost of nydus network to 150/150 (from 150/200)
• Decrease cost of nydus worm to 100/50 or 100/75 (from 100/100)
• Increase the armor of nydus worm to 2 (up from 1)
• Increase the health of nydus worm to 250 (up from 200)
• Adjust the rate of units entering the nydus based off the supply (or transport) size of the unit. It's simply imbalanced

On March 04 2012 04:15 Avril_Lavigne wrote:



From what I recall, many zergs have been QQing about broodlords being almost useless vs viking ghost raven. if your strategy revolves around ultraling infestor which to me is very strong for late game Z then you most definitely want to implement mass nydus to your strategy. base race scenarios are totally fine because the point of what i'm trying to make is that you're trying to force terran to push out when he doesn't want to....... and then the moment you see him push out you retreat back to home and crush his army because he in the first place didn't want to push out anyway without1. upgrades. 2. key units 3. tank count 4. whatever it is etc etc etc.

On March 04 2012 03:53 Avril_Lavigne wrote:



Imagine a drop ship that has the cost of 100/100 but is able to transfer an entire 200/200 army to the base of your opponent. It doesn't even have to be his main base. It could be his 5th base, or his 4th base. In success to deny that expansion is WORTH THE MINERALS AND GAS. Mass Nydus is soooooooooo effective against terran in this scenario.

Okay, Imagine a scenario where both the maps are split in half. and the zerg has no choice but to sit on his ass because the center is defended by planetaries, ghosts, siege tanks, vikings you name it. Terran wants to take a 5th base because he wants to prolong the game, have a superior economy, and have upgrades. are you going to wait 10 minutes in for terran to finally push out when he's 100% comfortable and ready to seal his victory? If you want to be active, you force terran to engage you by making him move his army around. you do drops in the main. You nydus his 4th, you nydus his 5th. you hit the center, when he's defending his expansions. you retreat the center when he tries to defend that position, then you nydus his main again and attack him there, and then you nydus his 4th, hell you can nydus both bases and he's got to choose which base to defend. are you saying that you can't exploit any weakness to execute a nydus? You summon one nydus in his 5th base because his army is near his main. he spots it right away and sends scvs to stop it. okay, now summon 4 at the same time. now he's forced to send a good ammount of his forces to that base because scvs alone will not be able to stop all 4 of them at the same time. while he's sending his forces to his expansion because it's in deep threat, you then summon 4 nyduses in his main.. it's called forcing your opponent to stay active, it's called harrassment. This is hard to stop, trust me i've done it before. it's gas heavy but hell i spend everything else on 3-3 cracklings anyway. it's worth it.

You can't instantly transfer a 200/200 army from one side of the map to the other with overlords. pleaase.....

On March 03 2012 17:14 -orb- wrote:


Nydus isn't about getting units into your opponent's base. Yes, drops will do just that. What it's for is moving units across the map instantaneously. The only other comparable ability is recall from the mothership.

If you really don't see any benefit to being able to literally INSTANTLY transfer units an infinite distance as opposed to slowly traversing overlords across the map... well then I guess there's just no hope for you.

Not you personally... this thread seems to be completely inundated with unimaginative slouches that want to blame minor inconveniences for not using one of the best mechanics in the entire game.