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Level of play with different races can differ a lot. To be more exact level of play in different match-ups can differ a lot. For example I am a random player whose best match-ups are somewhere in masters range, but worst mu:s probably in platinum range. Bnet calculates my MMR as average of all mu:s. This leads to that in ladder I often crush my opponents in some mu:s, but lose a lot in some other mu:s.
Thanks to sc2gears & replay analysis I know where my biggest weaknesses are and I am working to improve. But it often takes time to see a clear improvement in your level in certain mu as random players already practice their each mu a lot less than race pickers. And when you put more effort to improve in some mu, your level in some other mu:s can start to decline when you subconsciously start changing small things / habits based on what you are testing / adopting in your worst mu:s.
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On March 02 2012 21:54 korona wrote:
Level of play with different races can differ a lot. To be more exact level of play in different match-ups can differ a lot. For example I am a random player whose best match-ups are somewhere in masters range, but worst mu:s probably in platinum range. Bnet calculates my MMR as average of all mu:s. This leads to that in ladder I often crush my opponents in some mu:s, but lose a lot in some other mu:s.
Thanks to sc2gears & replay analysis I know where my biggest weaknesses are and I am working to improve. But it often takes time to see a clear improvement in your level in certain mu as random players already practice their each mu a lot less than race pickers. And when you put more effort to improve in some mu, your level in some other mu:s can start to decline when you subconsciously start changing small things / habits based on what you are testing / adopting in your worst mu:s.
This is 100% true. I started playing random and I would consider my TvT, TvP, PvT, ZvT, and ZvP to all be at least mid diamond. However, my TvZ, PvP, and ZvZ are all like mid plat >.< After finding what my weak matchups were I played a lot of custom games with those match ups to try and get about even. Custom games are really helpful if you care a lot about your ladder mmr and stuff and don't want to lower it. You can also devote more time to specific maps and matchups you have trouble with.
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On February 27 2012 10:12 LimeNade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 08:30 Cereb wrote:On February 27 2012 07:51 BloodThirsty wrote:On February 27 2012 07:44 Lowell wrote:On February 27 2012 07:30 BloodThirsty wrote:
lol really? man people need to stop crying "wah my % for my race isn't matching up with my other races" quit crying. Tired of people making threads like this. You should be lucky if you switch races that u lose a lot u should be grateful to be able to see ur flaws in ur new race. If you aren't playing professionally in top tier tournaments u shouldnt care about winning or losing if u learn from ur games u r losing. So stop QQing and making threads bout ur low self esteem cuz u dont wanna lose with a new race and go back on the ladder and hit the search game button. This post is so fucking stupid. Its not about people crying about their percentages or a few losses its about the different level of play for different levels. With the current system youre not really able to offrace without a second account, unless your offrace is nearly as good as your main race. It has nothing to do with self esteem, its about being matched with opponents of the same level, even if you choose to play another race. I switched races 2 times with this system. Starcraft 2 would be a better experience, when i could just casually play my offrace every now and then. lmao how is it stupid? u actually care about ur ladder ranking that means absolutely nothing? u should be happy to be playing better players with ur weaker race thats how ull improve faster. So yes i believe u r crying cuz clearly it has to do with self esteem of being afraid to drop in ranking or u woulldnt care if u didnt care what people thought bout ur sc2 ranking. U would use the opportunity to go out and get better practice with ur weaker race Are you always this rude? First of all if you don't care about winning/losing/ladder rank or non of that why would you even play the game? What's the benifit of improving faster if your rank doesn't matter to you at all? Cause you honestly think you are gonna go pro with your new race? Ladder is a fun competitive experience where you can test your skill and it makes no sense that you have to lose 40 games before you can enjoy the competion of people of your own skill. Imagine if you were on a great baseball team and then all of a sudden you and your team decided to play basket ball instead and then the leagues forced you to play at an incredibly high level until you have lost all the way down to somewhere you can actually compete? It would be the silliest thing ever. I was a competitive swimmer when I was younger - does that mean that I have to play at a really high level if I suddenly felt like taking up football? You say it's a good thing you get to meet better players - but I hate playing when I meet someone and it turns out he just recently changed his race - I knoow it's gonna be a walk in the park and basically no useful practice for me this game because he has to lose 30 games to be at his level meanwhile he is playing games at my level. Being able to play all 3 races could also tone done balance complaints since it would be easier to test out the other races whenever you pleased. Speaking from experience in WC3. I would basically switch race every 500 game and it always went like "this is gonna be sweet I'm gonna enjoy all this abusive stuff" to "f...! this race! So sick of being owned by this and this" and then I'd switch to learn that the grass once again wasn't greener on the other side. And before you now make another rude comment directed at me, lemmie just get it out of the way that I was a protoss player who swtiched to Zerg a long time ago and had a ton of losses. I didn't mind it too much, but that doesn't mean that it's not silly and that there are better alternative systems out there. Sometimes I'd still like to play some games as toss but I can't without throwing away a ton of games - and no I don't have practice partners that are way below my level in case I wanna have abit of fun with another race for a while. There is absolutely no reason why we can't have a ladder rank for each race and even less reason for you to be so rude about it. im only rude when absurd suggestions are made. having a ladder for eahc race is a horrible idea. Suck it up go out and play and stop being afraid. Losing is part of the game if u cant handle it then dont play btw u proved me right bout u being afraid to lose "why should i have to lose 40 times to have fun" go play customs with friends if u dont like it. LOSING is part of competitive SC2 ladder get used to it and stop QQing
So basically you didn't address anything I wrote and just repeated your own opinion with no argumentation or evidence to back it up? Nice.
None is QQing about losses. It's just silly and it's easy to change. Losing is part of it but so is winning. It's not about this. It's about having fun playing with people of your own skill, which I already wrote but apparantly taking one sentence out of context of my entire post is good logic to you.
You still haven't explained why it's bad to have a seperate ladder rank for each race. You just insult people to get your opinion across.
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On March 02 2012 22:10 Cereb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 10:12 LimeNade wrote:On February 27 2012 08:30 Cereb wrote:On February 27 2012 07:51 BloodThirsty wrote:On February 27 2012 07:44 Lowell wrote:On February 27 2012 07:30 BloodThirsty wrote:
lol really? man people need to stop crying "wah my % for my race isn't matching up with my other races" quit crying. Tired of people making threads like this. You should be lucky if you switch races that u lose a lot u should be grateful to be able to see ur flaws in ur new race. If you aren't playing professionally in top tier tournaments u shouldnt care about winning or losing if u learn from ur games u r losing. So stop QQing and making threads bout ur low self esteem cuz u dont wanna lose with a new race and go back on the ladder and hit the search game button. This post is so fucking stupid. Its not about people crying about their percentages or a few losses its about the different level of play for different levels. With the current system youre not really able to offrace without a second account, unless your offrace is nearly as good as your main race. It has nothing to do with self esteem, its about being matched with opponents of the same level, even if you choose to play another race. I switched races 2 times with this system. Starcraft 2 would be a better experience, when i could just casually play my offrace every now and then. lmao how is it stupid? u actually care about ur ladder ranking that means absolutely nothing? u should be happy to be playing better players with ur weaker race thats how ull improve faster. So yes i believe u r crying cuz clearly it has to do with self esteem of being afraid to drop in ranking or u woulldnt care if u didnt care what people thought bout ur sc2 ranking. U would use the opportunity to go out and get better practice with ur weaker race Are you always this rude? First of all if you don't care about winning/losing/ladder rank or non of that why would you even play the game? What's the benifit of improving faster if your rank doesn't matter to you at all? Cause you honestly think you are gonna go pro with your new race? Ladder is a fun competitive experience where you can test your skill and it makes no sense that you have to lose 40 games before you can enjoy the competion of people of your own skill. Imagine if you were on a great baseball team and then all of a sudden you and your team decided to play basket ball instead and then the leagues forced you to play at an incredibly high level until you have lost all the way down to somewhere you can actually compete? It would be the silliest thing ever. I was a competitive swimmer when I was younger - does that mean that I have to play at a really high level if I suddenly felt like taking up football? You say it's a good thing you get to meet better players - but I hate playing when I meet someone and it turns out he just recently changed his race - I knoow it's gonna be a walk in the park and basically no useful practice for me this game because he has to lose 30 games to be at his level meanwhile he is playing games at my level. Being able to play all 3 races could also tone done balance complaints since it would be easier to test out the other races whenever you pleased. Speaking from experience in WC3. I would basically switch race every 500 game and it always went like "this is gonna be sweet I'm gonna enjoy all this abusive stuff" to "f...! this race! So sick of being owned by this and this" and then I'd switch to learn that the grass once again wasn't greener on the other side. And before you now make another rude comment directed at me, lemmie just get it out of the way that I was a protoss player who swtiched to Zerg a long time ago and had a ton of losses. I didn't mind it too much, but that doesn't mean that it's not silly and that there are better alternative systems out there. Sometimes I'd still like to play some games as toss but I can't without throwing away a ton of games - and no I don't have practice partners that are way below my level in case I wanna have abit of fun with another race for a while. There is absolutely no reason why we can't have a ladder rank for each race and even less reason for you to be so rude about it. im only rude when absurd suggestions are made. having a ladder for eahc race is a horrible idea. Suck it up go out and play and stop being afraid. Losing is part of the game if u cant handle it then dont play btw u proved me right bout u being afraid to lose "why should i have to lose 40 times to have fun" go play customs with friends if u dont like it. LOSING is part of competitive SC2 ladder get used to it and stop QQing So basically you didn't address anything I wrote and just repeated your own opinion with no argumentation or evidence to back it up? Nice. None is QQing about losses. It's just silly and it's easy to change. Losing is part of it but so is winning. It's not about this. It's about having fun playing with people of your own skill, which I already wrote but apparantly taking one sentence out of context of my entire post is good logic to you. You still haven't explained why it's bad to have a seperate ladder rank for each race. You just insult people to get your opinion across.
seperate ladder rank for each race is bad, it is not fair to the people in the lower leagues to get rolled by high league players. Dont tell me a master league terran is bronze level with his zerg. That is not even counting the people that would just abuse for portrait farming/trolling the lower leagues with their offrace.
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Yeah it's pretty obnoxiously bad the way Bnet 2.0 is set up, I still am fond of the old Bnet even with all of it's flaws you had the ability to make as many new accounts and change ur name as often as you wanted and hosting custom maps was done properly and you were able to play cross region as well. the old Bnet simply facilitated a more free and open environment and all was right with the world. The only major problem I remember with the old Bnet was for some reason I was unable to ever host games, but even with this massive glaring flaw I would still say the old Bnet was vastly superior.
Currently, trying to practice offrace with only one account is a real pain in the ass, the only way I can properly practice T and P is to derank myself by spending basically a solid day losing games [Which can get your banned too of course, go figure] and then even after that I have to spend all my time playing offraces on ladder and don't ever get to play Zerg properly unless I reach back up to masters rank. So, I've deranked myself twice, currently in masters, I can play Zerg alright but my Terran and Protoss still have shit practice and I only know how to win with rush builds because I don't have a proper ladder to practice them on, thanks Blizzard.
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On March 02 2012 22:25 OrangeSoda wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 22:10 Cereb wrote:On February 27 2012 10:12 LimeNade wrote:On February 27 2012 08:30 Cereb wrote:On February 27 2012 07:51 BloodThirsty wrote:On February 27 2012 07:44 Lowell wrote:On February 27 2012 07:30 BloodThirsty wrote:
lol really? man people need to stop crying "wah my % for my race isn't matching up with my other races" quit crying. Tired of people making threads like this. You should be lucky if you switch races that u lose a lot u should be grateful to be able to see ur flaws in ur new race. If you aren't playing professionally in top tier tournaments u shouldnt care about winning or losing if u learn from ur games u r losing. So stop QQing and making threads bout ur low self esteem cuz u dont wanna lose with a new race and go back on the ladder and hit the search game button. This post is so fucking stupid. Its not about people crying about their percentages or a few losses its about the different level of play for different levels. With the current system youre not really able to offrace without a second account, unless your offrace is nearly as good as your main race. It has nothing to do with self esteem, its about being matched with opponents of the same level, even if you choose to play another race. I switched races 2 times with this system. Starcraft 2 would be a better experience, when i could just casually play my offrace every now and then. lmao how is it stupid? u actually care about ur ladder ranking that means absolutely nothing? u should be happy to be playing better players with ur weaker race thats how ull improve faster. So yes i believe u r crying cuz clearly it has to do with self esteem of being afraid to drop in ranking or u woulldnt care if u didnt care what people thought bout ur sc2 ranking. U would use the opportunity to go out and get better practice with ur weaker race Are you always this rude? First of all if you don't care about winning/losing/ladder rank or non of that why would you even play the game? What's the benifit of improving faster if your rank doesn't matter to you at all? Cause you honestly think you are gonna go pro with your new race? Ladder is a fun competitive experience where you can test your skill and it makes no sense that you have to lose 40 games before you can enjoy the competion of people of your own skill. Imagine if you were on a great baseball team and then all of a sudden you and your team decided to play basket ball instead and then the leagues forced you to play at an incredibly high level until you have lost all the way down to somewhere you can actually compete? It would be the silliest thing ever. I was a competitive swimmer when I was younger - does that mean that I have to play at a really high level if I suddenly felt like taking up football? You say it's a good thing you get to meet better players - but I hate playing when I meet someone and it turns out he just recently changed his race - I knoow it's gonna be a walk in the park and basically no useful practice for me this game because he has to lose 30 games to be at his level meanwhile he is playing games at my level. Being able to play all 3 races could also tone done balance complaints since it would be easier to test out the other races whenever you pleased. Speaking from experience in WC3. I would basically switch race every 500 game and it always went like "this is gonna be sweet I'm gonna enjoy all this abusive stuff" to "f...! this race! So sick of being owned by this and this" and then I'd switch to learn that the grass once again wasn't greener on the other side. And before you now make another rude comment directed at me, lemmie just get it out of the way that I was a protoss player who swtiched to Zerg a long time ago and had a ton of losses. I didn't mind it too much, but that doesn't mean that it's not silly and that there are better alternative systems out there. Sometimes I'd still like to play some games as toss but I can't without throwing away a ton of games - and no I don't have practice partners that are way below my level in case I wanna have abit of fun with another race for a while. There is absolutely no reason why we can't have a ladder rank for each race and even less reason for you to be so rude about it. im only rude when absurd suggestions are made. having a ladder for eahc race is a horrible idea. Suck it up go out and play and stop being afraid. Losing is part of the game if u cant handle it then dont play btw u proved me right bout u being afraid to lose "why should i have to lose 40 times to have fun" go play customs with friends if u dont like it. LOSING is part of competitive SC2 ladder get used to it and stop QQing So basically you didn't address anything I wrote and just repeated your own opinion with no argumentation or evidence to back it up? Nice. None is QQing about losses. It's just silly and it's easy to change. Losing is part of it but so is winning. It's not about this. It's about having fun playing with people of your own skill, which I already wrote but apparantly taking one sentence out of context of my entire post is good logic to you. You still haven't explained why it's bad to have a seperate ladder rank for each race. You just insult people to get your opinion across. seperate ladder rank for each race is bad, it is not fair to the people in the lower leagues to get rolled by high league players. Dont tell me a master league terran is bronze level with his zerg. That is not even counting the people that would just abuse for portrait farming/trolling the lower leagues with their offrace.
Your right, a master terran is probably not bronze with his zerg, so then he wouldnt end up there. And if he did he would be quickly promoted. I dont see how thats an issue.
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On March 02 2012 23:04 Equity213 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 22:25 OrangeSoda wrote:On March 02 2012 22:10 Cereb wrote:On February 27 2012 10:12 LimeNade wrote:On February 27 2012 08:30 Cereb wrote:On February 27 2012 07:51 BloodThirsty wrote:On February 27 2012 07:44 Lowell wrote:On February 27 2012 07:30 BloodThirsty wrote:
lol really? man people need to stop crying "wah my % for my race isn't matching up with my other races" quit crying. Tired of people making threads like this. You should be lucky if you switch races that u lose a lot u should be grateful to be able to see ur flaws in ur new race. If you aren't playing professionally in top tier tournaments u shouldnt care about winning or losing if u learn from ur games u r losing. So stop QQing and making threads bout ur low self esteem cuz u dont wanna lose with a new race and go back on the ladder and hit the search game button. This post is so fucking stupid. Its not about people crying about their percentages or a few losses its about the different level of play for different levels. With the current system youre not really able to offrace without a second account, unless your offrace is nearly as good as your main race. It has nothing to do with self esteem, its about being matched with opponents of the same level, even if you choose to play another race. I switched races 2 times with this system. Starcraft 2 would be a better experience, when i could just casually play my offrace every now and then. lmao how is it stupid? u actually care about ur ladder ranking that means absolutely nothing? u should be happy to be playing better players with ur weaker race thats how ull improve faster. So yes i believe u r crying cuz clearly it has to do with self esteem of being afraid to drop in ranking or u woulldnt care if u didnt care what people thought bout ur sc2 ranking. U would use the opportunity to go out and get better practice with ur weaker race Are you always this rude? First of all if you don't care about winning/losing/ladder rank or non of that why would you even play the game? What's the benifit of improving faster if your rank doesn't matter to you at all? Cause you honestly think you are gonna go pro with your new race? Ladder is a fun competitive experience where you can test your skill and it makes no sense that you have to lose 40 games before you can enjoy the competion of people of your own skill. Imagine if you were on a great baseball team and then all of a sudden you and your team decided to play basket ball instead and then the leagues forced you to play at an incredibly high level until you have lost all the way down to somewhere you can actually compete? It would be the silliest thing ever. I was a competitive swimmer when I was younger - does that mean that I have to play at a really high level if I suddenly felt like taking up football? You say it's a good thing you get to meet better players - but I hate playing when I meet someone and it turns out he just recently changed his race - I knoow it's gonna be a walk in the park and basically no useful practice for me this game because he has to lose 30 games to be at his level meanwhile he is playing games at my level. Being able to play all 3 races could also tone done balance complaints since it would be easier to test out the other races whenever you pleased. Speaking from experience in WC3. I would basically switch race every 500 game and it always went like "this is gonna be sweet I'm gonna enjoy all this abusive stuff" to "f...! this race! So sick of being owned by this and this" and then I'd switch to learn that the grass once again wasn't greener on the other side. And before you now make another rude comment directed at me, lemmie just get it out of the way that I was a protoss player who swtiched to Zerg a long time ago and had a ton of losses. I didn't mind it too much, but that doesn't mean that it's not silly and that there are better alternative systems out there. Sometimes I'd still like to play some games as toss but I can't without throwing away a ton of games - and no I don't have practice partners that are way below my level in case I wanna have abit of fun with another race for a while. There is absolutely no reason why we can't have a ladder rank for each race and even less reason for you to be so rude about it. im only rude when absurd suggestions are made. having a ladder for eahc race is a horrible idea. Suck it up go out and play and stop being afraid. Losing is part of the game if u cant handle it then dont play btw u proved me right bout u being afraid to lose "why should i have to lose 40 times to have fun" go play customs with friends if u dont like it. LOSING is part of competitive SC2 ladder get used to it and stop QQing So basically you didn't address anything I wrote and just repeated your own opinion with no argumentation or evidence to back it up? Nice. None is QQing about losses. It's just silly and it's easy to change. Losing is part of it but so is winning. It's not about this. It's about having fun playing with people of your own skill, which I already wrote but apparantly taking one sentence out of context of my entire post is good logic to you. You still haven't explained why it's bad to have a seperate ladder rank for each race. You just insult people to get your opinion across. seperate ladder rank for each race is bad, it is not fair to the people in the lower leagues to get rolled by high league players. Dont tell me a master league terran is bronze level with his zerg. That is not even counting the people that would just abuse for portrait farming/trolling the lower leagues with their offrace. Your right, a master terran is probably not bronze with his zerg, so then he wouldnt end up there. And if he did he would be quickly promoted. I dont see how thats an issue.
It isn't an issue at all, currently you get high league players dropping rank just to practice anyways but they have to screw up their MMR for a while to do so, in fact the way Blizzard has it set up now it ends up with low league players playing vs high league MORE often than if Blizzard gave us extra ladder accounts for each race. If I was given a fresh ladder account I wouldn't even be in bronze, silver or gold for more than a few games anyways, I'd be up into Plat/Diamond incredibly fast and would be right where I'm supposed to be.
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On March 02 2012 22:25 OrangeSoda wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 22:10 Cereb wrote:On February 27 2012 10:12 LimeNade wrote:On February 27 2012 08:30 Cereb wrote:On February 27 2012 07:51 BloodThirsty wrote:On February 27 2012 07:44 Lowell wrote:On February 27 2012 07:30 BloodThirsty wrote:
lol really? man people need to stop crying "wah my % for my race isn't matching up with my other races" quit crying. Tired of people making threads like this. You should be lucky if you switch races that u lose a lot u should be grateful to be able to see ur flaws in ur new race. If you aren't playing professionally in top tier tournaments u shouldnt care about winning or losing if u learn from ur games u r losing. So stop QQing and making threads bout ur low self esteem cuz u dont wanna lose with a new race and go back on the ladder and hit the search game button. This post is so fucking stupid. Its not about people crying about their percentages or a few losses its about the different level of play for different levels. With the current system youre not really able to offrace without a second account, unless your offrace is nearly as good as your main race. It has nothing to do with self esteem, its about being matched with opponents of the same level, even if you choose to play another race. I switched races 2 times with this system. Starcraft 2 would be a better experience, when i could just casually play my offrace every now and then. lmao how is it stupid? u actually care about ur ladder ranking that means absolutely nothing? u should be happy to be playing better players with ur weaker race thats how ull improve faster. So yes i believe u r crying cuz clearly it has to do with self esteem of being afraid to drop in ranking or u woulldnt care if u didnt care what people thought bout ur sc2 ranking. U would use the opportunity to go out and get better practice with ur weaker race Are you always this rude? First of all if you don't care about winning/losing/ladder rank or non of that why would you even play the game? What's the benifit of improving faster if your rank doesn't matter to you at all? Cause you honestly think you are gonna go pro with your new race? Ladder is a fun competitive experience where you can test your skill and it makes no sense that you have to lose 40 games before you can enjoy the competion of people of your own skill. Imagine if you were on a great baseball team and then all of a sudden you and your team decided to play basket ball instead and then the leagues forced you to play at an incredibly high level until you have lost all the way down to somewhere you can actually compete? It would be the silliest thing ever. I was a competitive swimmer when I was younger - does that mean that I have to play at a really high level if I suddenly felt like taking up football? You say it's a good thing you get to meet better players - but I hate playing when I meet someone and it turns out he just recently changed his race - I knoow it's gonna be a walk in the park and basically no useful practice for me this game because he has to lose 30 games to be at his level meanwhile he is playing games at my level. Being able to play all 3 races could also tone done balance complaints since it would be easier to test out the other races whenever you pleased. Speaking from experience in WC3. I would basically switch race every 500 game and it always went like "this is gonna be sweet I'm gonna enjoy all this abusive stuff" to "f...! this race! So sick of being owned by this and this" and then I'd switch to learn that the grass once again wasn't greener on the other side. And before you now make another rude comment directed at me, lemmie just get it out of the way that I was a protoss player who swtiched to Zerg a long time ago and had a ton of losses. I didn't mind it too much, but that doesn't mean that it's not silly and that there are better alternative systems out there. Sometimes I'd still like to play some games as toss but I can't without throwing away a ton of games - and no I don't have practice partners that are way below my level in case I wanna have abit of fun with another race for a while. There is absolutely no reason why we can't have a ladder rank for each race and even less reason for you to be so rude about it. im only rude when absurd suggestions are made. having a ladder for eahc race is a horrible idea. Suck it up go out and play and stop being afraid. Losing is part of the game if u cant handle it then dont play btw u proved me right bout u being afraid to lose "why should i have to lose 40 times to have fun" go play customs with friends if u dont like it. LOSING is part of competitive SC2 ladder get used to it and stop QQing So basically you didn't address anything I wrote and just repeated your own opinion with no argumentation or evidence to back it up? Nice. None is QQing about losses. It's just silly and it's easy to change. Losing is part of it but so is winning. It's not about this. It's about having fun playing with people of your own skill, which I already wrote but apparantly taking one sentence out of context of my entire post is good logic to you. You still haven't explained why it's bad to have a seperate ladder rank for each race. You just insult people to get your opinion across. seperate ladder rank for each race is bad, it is not fair to the people in the lower leagues to get rolled by high league players. Dont tell me a master league terran is bronze level with his zerg. That is not even counting the people that would just abuse for portrait farming/trolling the lower leagues with their offrace.
Well isn't this basically completely the same thing as when someone who is really skilled with RTS picks up SC2 ? Or when good players buy for a new account to smurf / off race? The MMR adjusts and you'll never face those bronze league players again.
Not sure about the portrait farming but my instinct is that it wouldn't change much since those who want to portrait farm can already do it and I can't see how it would be more convenient to do if you had one rank for each race - it would just mean that they'd have to use all three race ranks to farm portraits...? Which actually seems more inconvenient if they want to get back up in the leagues with every race afterwards?
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Agree 100% with the op
never thought about it tho
good post.
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I agree it would be nice for me being random..it would also be silly and encourage more people to lose on purpose.. would I have 4 ladders? One for zerg, toss, terr and rand? Or just 3..
I see people deranking their off race for the hell of it..
Thing is the ladder will even you out if you play enough.. and I don't think anyone's offrace is more than a league below their main unless they've literally never put any time or thought into it. I believe as a diamond toss I could make it to plat on any race with a new acct or one that has 1000 games at bronze level (mmr is sticky) and I bet masters could get to diamond, gm to masters etc..
Basically if u think ladder isn't matching you up properly I see a few options and none of them rely on bliZZARD...
1) commit to the new race. We know how ladder matches people so you should know ahead that this will happen. if u commit to the new race over time you will be evenly matched once the system figures Ur skill of new race.. I know u want Ur cake and to eat it so...
2) practice partners self explanatory. It's Ur fault if Ur rolling or being rolled in practice cause u choose them
3) make Ur worst matchup your best and repeat
I'm sure its been pointed out but by your same logic there should really be about 9 ladder rankings for each player One for each possible opponent when you play each possible race. Even if I only play P, my PvZ is wayyyy better than my PvP and I can beat master zerg but lose to gold protoss...can we at least all agree it'd be silly to have diff ladder for diff matchup. I think its silly and one ladder is enough anyway..
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When I played Protoss in season 1, I decided to switch to zerg with no experience before hand - I started 13-2 as Protoss on ladder, and when I decided to switch to zerg, I lost 7 straight games. The problem was: I did not practice in CUSTOM games 1v1. I thus played approx. 250 games 1v1 custom as zerg before I went back to laddering. It made a huge difference, and I remember going 23-3 when I started as zerg again. Did playing customs not occur to you before you switched races?
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I agree this is a problem, maybe you should be able to reset your account once a season and do your 5 placements again.
But also, what is wrong with silver level zerg playing platinum players or diamond players? Honestly if you want to practice mechanics just do it in a custom. The only thing that ladder offers that a custom doesn't is development of strategy aka, how your build holds up against other builds and what you need to do to make your build effective in reaction to seeing what your opponent is doing. The strategy aspect is only needed once you have your mechanics down. Also, against weak players, you really don't know for sure how your build actually does against another. For example, a platinum level 2 rax is a lot weaker than a masters + level 2 rax. Maybe you could hold the 2 rax doing a 1 gate fe into another gateway 2nd gas and a robo, but in a higher league that build might actually just be auto loss. Only by playing good players will you know for sure how your build matches up.
tldr; yea there's a problem you should be able to reset your rankings once in a while, but also you only need to play on the ladder once you figure out your mechanics.
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Lord_J
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I don't really see this as a problem, but on the other hand, I don't think any purpose is served by limiting players to one account.
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The only problem I have with ladder is that ive been matched PvZ for the last 9 games and 17 of my last 20 games. Im a master at PvZ now but as soon as I get matched vs P/T, im gonna fail hard.
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just talk a friend into buying the game who you know will suck and wont play after a week and just find out his info >
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Blizzard still refuses to offer a response on this issue, unfortunately.
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I would like to see an unrated match option on the multiplayer tab. I know custom games are what this was supposed to be, but would be much more easy if you could just push a button to get an random opponent, random ladder map, no chatting before game, no countdown. They could even use your MMR to find your opponent
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Riot please separate servers for EVERY champions in order for me to train all champions.
Valve please separate servers for EVERY heroes in order for me to train all heroes.
Blizzard please separate servers for EVERY classes in order for me to train all classes (gender as well please).
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On February 27 2012 05:56 Spicy_Curry wrote:
the technology isnt there yet
Yep. That's it guys!
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I agree that something needs to be done. Its just painful to race switch for most people, and when you are bored with your race what else do you do? I personally have experience with race switching. I race switched last week from Zerg to Terran in masters league. I catch on quickly so currently I'm fighting higher level players with Terran than what I did Zerg. But others aren't so lucky and lose and lose and lose. It was frustrating my first day when I was attempting to get the build orders down and timings. But if you stick to it and watch alot of Koreans streams it works out great. (Thanks BoxeR, Polt, and Rainbow!).
Note: when talking about buying the game twice you say "buy the game game" or sometthing similar. I just know games in repeated.
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