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Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
There is absolutely no way to judge what level offrace is a player representing, so the current state is the best. What would you expect? Different league and rank for different races? So master zerg player switches to terran to bash on some bronzies?
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On April 16 2012 23:19 freestalker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 16:46 [F_]aths wrote:On April 16 2012 16:36 freestalker wrote:
I see no point in implementing 3 separate ladders. If you lose 20 games to get down to your off-race ranking so be it, it's not like you fed one person with 20 games, it's 20 people with 1 game, that won't really boost up their ranks. People care too much about their rank, really.
Instead of 3 ladders all we need is a reset button. Easy scripting. If you want to experiment, just swallow your pride and know it'll cost something if you want to do it on ladder. A reset button would allow for easy smurfing: Reset your MMR, place bronze in placement and lose some more game, then crush the bronze players for your pleasure. So what, when I bought my SC2 I placed to bronze on purpose and then went 20 wins until I finally lost to some diamond player. Are you going to sue me? Was it fun? Yes. Would I do it again? Possibly, but it'd be boring if I was doing it over and over. If you had an offrace ladder option you'd be owning bronze players just because of your mechanics.. what's the difference? those 20 games until your MMR gets calibrated? What a joke.
You can do it once. If you want to do it again you have to lose your way down. With a reset button you could endlessly stomp bronzies. In WC3 I considered smurfing a big issue for players like me. WC3 even had a mechanism to prevent insta-smurfs, since a new player had an ELL (expected ladder level) of 25 (out of 50) but still many guys created a new account, lost some games and the began to smurf.
I had some games "won" because of the instant leave of the opponent who was smurfing his ranking down and got often crushed by smurfs. Not fun.
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On February 27 2012 05:56 Spicy_Curry wrote:
the technology isnt there yet
Yeah, identifying what race a player is using with one line in an algorithm for the matchmaker is cutting edge technology..
They should simply add a separate ladder ranking for each player, one for terran, one for zerg, one for toss, one for random. Simples.
Personally I couldnt give a damn about ladder ranking itself, but for those who do I guess it would and should show all 3 race rankings on their profile page.
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I went from masters to plat from switching from Z to T. I dont understand the problem.
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Allowing people to have multiple characters would also solve this problem, since people could play on a second account if they're offracing or trying something out. I mean, you can do that now if you buy the game again, but that's dumb.
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If you don't want to lose ladder points, then play customs with your new race until you are comfortable. Or just buy a new game if it really is that big of a deal.
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On April 16 2012 20:20 TheMatrix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 19:30 Blisse wrote:On April 16 2012 19:12 TheMatrix wrote:On April 16 2012 17:13 Blisse wrote:On April 16 2012 15:52 TheMatrix wrote:On April 16 2012 10:23 Liquid`NonY wrote:
How is a natural solution unrealistic? Either it's not natural or it's not a solution. Your writing is very unclear there.
I don't understand why you make a point about buying three copies of the game. Just because owning multiple copies of a game yields some new benefit does not mean that that benefit is something that ought to be enjoyed by people owning one copy of that game. This seems incredibly obvious to me for multiplayer games and yet you point out that it's a multiplayer benefit as if that makes it more absurd. I think the more absurd thing would be an advantage to owning multiple copies of a game for offline or single player modes.
In World of Warcraft, owning one copy of the game allows you to make multiple characters but not play them simultaneously. There are good reasons for this that I believe most MMO players respect enough that they do not protest the extra costs. They accept that people owning multiple copies of the game can experience and do things that people owning one copy cannot. Are those activities and experiences part of the game?
The thing that is logically indefensible here is a definition of what it means to "get everything out of [the game]". Noting that some benefit is possible with multiple copies of the game and impossible without multiple copies of the game does not give much insight.
You bought SC2 with the expectation that Blizzard was going to continue to add new features and content to the game via free patches. You think this feature qualifies as something that Blizzard should patch in. Make an argument to convince them to patch it in. Making a hypothetical argument as to why they haven't done it yet and then calling it unfair bullshit gets you nowhere. That maneuver is ridiculous. You understand that the feature the OP requests was in each Blizzard games since 1993? SC2 that came out in 2010 didn't have the option to create multiple accounts or at least different ladder profiles for the different races. I mean heck, why even have win/loose stats then, why even have ladders? Why not remove everything that games 20 years older had and call it ubernet 9999. It's a different game, with a different model. If you want to play a different race, nothing in the system prevents you from playing it. It lets you play the entire game already. You just want to make it easier. Nothing's wrong with that. These things are in the game because Blizzard wants you to have them, not because you are entitled to it as it's been in previous games. Similarly, there is no obligation for whoever designed Battle.net 2.0 to improve upon the existing Battle.net 1.0. The develop will implement whatever he or she is told, or whatever he or she feels like. It's certainly much better for the community if the system built upon its previous success, but there is no obligation to do so whatsoever, and you are certainly not entitled to this for nothing. No, because if I knew bnet would be so crap and they didn't advertise it falsely as the next best thing since the coming of Christ, no one would have bought the game. They need to include the features, because these were features from 20 years old games like warcraft 2. I don't know if you've seen Dota 2 or LOL or HON or Shogun 2, etc... with all the amazing multiplayer features and options. If you knew bnet would be so crap... no one would have ? I didn't hear of any of these advertisements of Battle.net 2.0. And they have no obligation either way. You seem to be confusing what it means to be a good competitor with what the business owes its customers. It owes absolutely nothing to you. You are playing this game because you enjoy it. Why does it matter to Blizzard what other games have? They don't have to be a good competitor to the other games, and offer similar multi-player features. However, it would be a good business practice to do so. It still doesn't owe you anything. You expected improvements. They never promised anything as far as I can tell. So you had no reason to expect these other than the fact it happened before. That's a bad assumption. Again, it doesn't matter what other games have. This is not that game. I expected it and want it. But I cannot say Blizzard owes it to me to update Battle.net. The OP's argument is that there's a flaw in the game that can only be circumvented at the moment by buying multiple games. He suggests that Blizzad implement something so that you can experience the benefits of having multiple accounts in a single account. Saying "it's a multiplayer game and you shouldn't need to buy multiple copies to get the most out of it" is non-sense, and has no correlation at all. \ EDIT: You can make the argument that Blizzard needs to implement these features to stay competitive with League of Legends or any other multi-player game. But do not suggest that Blizzard owes its players this, please. Provide reasons (there are a lot, and many already known to the majority (rhetorical)) why implementing these would be helpful. Do not yell at Blizzard for not giving you things they never were going to. of course they owe it to the players, else would mean they falsely advertised the game. I guess you haven't watched or read not one single blizzcon video or article or interview where they promised the second coming of Chirst basically with bnet 2.
When did blizzard ever promise us multiple ladders per account? Sure they hyped up BNet and it's not exactly as great as we want it, but you are just making stuff up and saying blizzard failed to deliver. At no time did they say that you can have a ladder for each race. If you disagree then provide a link to the source. Sure that existed in BW, but I didn't shell out $50 for BW two years ago. I bought sc2.
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Your offrace can't possibly be more than a league lower than what you currently are unless you cheesed your way to X-league without picking up any game fundamentals that translate to all three races. This talk about MMR tanking is silly, you'll probably end up playing similarly (if not slightly lower) skilled players with your offrace anyways.
I'd be more concerned about all the Bronze league players who would hate playing this game if everyone suddenly got some magic "reset" feature that existed for all the vets to troll lower leagues.
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meh, i switched to toss last week from terran, and im actually playing higher ranked opponents and im getting a better ladder rank. I think that the whole, diamond terran but his zerg is silver level analogy is off, i mean, you dont have any experience with the other 2 races even though you play them 66% of the time? at most it would be high diamond terran to low diamond/high plat level zerg, the skill level doesn't drop that dramatically imo, and adding the 3 diffrenent race ladder ranks would be way confusing, did i just beat a gold terran. or is he a high plat toss? or a bronze zerg.
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The option should be there, because it was there in all previous Blizzard games since 1993.
You should be able to create multiple account and/or have different ladder stats for each race, its very simple concept.
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How is playing against far better players a 'waste of time'? Might be frustrating but its the best way to learn.
Furthermore, there are standard RTS skills that cross over to any race even if you only stuck to one of them the whole time before. If someone is a diamond terran for instance, if they suddenly switched to toss they would still be able to beat people one or two leagues lower at the least.
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Now that I think about it it seems pretty silly that we cant quite get the full value out of this game due to fear of playing 1v1 with out your main race...Like I've played terran for almost the whole time and I'm F***ing terrible with the other races. It would be nice to have different accounts/stats for other races.
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Canada16217 Posts
This needs to happen IMO.
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On April 17 2012 01:36 TigerKarl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 00:59 MrLion wrote:
To the people who are suggesting to play customs, have you ever tried the custom game system yourself?
One game a bronze player joins your game, the second a master, third bronze, etc. It's a complete disaster, your entire time is wasted and you learn nothing out of it.
The same way they gave 2 accounts in PTR, they can do it in your main region too. Just one of the many things they have messed up in Starcraft 2. That's exactly how i learned to play the other races. Nothing bad about playing against players of different skill levels and watching the replay afterwards.
You're probably the first person I've seen who doesn't consider playing against lower level player to be a waste of time, from high bronze to pro players. Your opinion may differ, buf if half your games are against bronze/silver, it IS a complete waste of time for the majority of the players.
Games are the most exciting and you learn the most when playing opponents of similar skill, where you can see progress from match to match.
Also, many people don't choose a different race thinking "I want to reach high masters with this race!!". They just want to have fun with race, and maybe improve a bit.
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