EPTIt's sad that so many years after the original, we're dealing with a version of b.net that's so much worse than what we had before. Battle.net 0.2 indeed.
Ladder flaws when race switching - Page 7
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
It's sad that so many years after the original, we're dealing with a version of b.net that's so much worse than what we had before. Battle.net 0.2 indeed. | ||
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Mutown
United States13 Posts
On March 02 2012 15:26 EM1 wrote: only on TL do the mods warn people for voicing their opinion... GG That was actually just because when I copy pasted the thread title and it was all caps. | ||
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C[h]ili
Germany167 Posts
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-stOpSKY-
Canada498 Posts
Even if you lost and got demoted to bronze, who gives a shit? Just a game. Play it to get better and forget about leagues and ladder ranking... people are missing the point of this game lol. | ||
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eu.exodus
South Africa1186 Posts
On March 02 2012 15:26 EM1 wrote: only on TL do the mods warn people for voicing their opinion... GG for the second time. he was warned for making the title in caps, not for having an opinion. you should try reading sometime. you look like less of a fool with your total of 6 posts when you at least have something useful to say instead of bashing tl for something you got all wrong. go +1 at reddit if you dont like it here. on topic. i dont see the problem here. if you are serious about a race switch, your rating will adjust to accommodate your skill level with that race, and the longer you play with it the more skilled you will become with the race while at the same time becoming less proficient with your previous race. either way your ranking represents work skill with that race. it seems to me like this all comes down to an e-peen thing. that should you want to try a new race, you can still display your best race to the world while you try to get a good ranking with another. if you feel like Fucking around with another race you might as well play customs. you have nothing to lose there. the thing about screwing around with ladder rankings in general by losing games to "worse" players is completely wrong. the amount me games it would take to have any kind of serious effect is huge and your 5 to 10 games a day against DIFFERENT opponents is so small when you look at the bigger picture that it doesn't make any difference. me beating you because you offraced is in no way going to break the ladder and its not going to balloon my mmr to such an extent that i get bumped up to a league i dont belong in. the only person affected is the person off racing by adjusting his rating to the right level and quite frankly if you want to change race you should be willing to to a bit of a knock. its going to happen whether you like it or not. as an ex diamond terran who switched to zerg on a different account and dropped to plat i know all about it. what people also dont realise is that if you switch race and you feel more comfortable with the new race you probably aren't going to touch your old race unless you feel like screwing around in custom games. so having 3 separate ladders for 3 separate races would only be to show off your shiny league badge and nothing else. if its really that important to you, buy another account. i did and to be honest it was just to fuck around with. now Im playing zerg on my second account and haven't touched my old account in 2 seasons. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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jarod
Romania766 Posts
I also was in the positions when wanted to try other race and forfeited 150 games until i get to bronze... after that i won 68 games in a row... now i am back to plati and stable.. win/lose rate around 50%.... But i can say .. that from the 100 games that i have played.. maybe I learned something only in the last 20... Separate profile.. would be .. welll.. just pure awesome. | ||
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akaMadMike
Norway93 Posts
If you want to start a new race, just play and loose, the MMR system will try to find a place where you have ~55% win rate anyway. Eventually you will improve. If you don't want to get demoted just play Peepmode games. | ||
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redemption
United States112 Posts
On February 27 2012 07:51 LimeNade wrote: lmao how is it stupid? u actually care about ur ladder ranking that means absolutely nothing? u should be happy to be playing better players with ur weaker race thats how ull improve faster. So yes i believe u r crying cuz clearly it has to do with self esteem of being afraid to drop in ranking or u woulldnt care if u didnt care what people thought bout ur sc2 ranking. U would use the opportunity to go out and get better practice with ur weaker race It is absolutely stupid. What if you were masters level Terran and a diamond level Zerg? You may enjoy playing Zerg, but that doesn't mean you NEVER want to play Terran (your main race) ever again. Sometimes, you may want to play some Zerg to expand your horizons, improve at another race, and simply enjoy more aspects of the game you paid for. It is clearly inefficient to have to play 5-10 "buffer" games every time you switch between the two to be matched with people of your skill level. It has nothing to do with crying about ladder rankings. If you had different rankings for each race, this inefficiency would be completely abolished. Whenever you play Terran, you'd be playing opponents at your level in masters. Whenever you play Zerg, you'd be playing opponents at your level in diamond. Everyone is happy. This is such an easy change. It's perhaps not necessary, and there are a lot of other things Blizzard should maybe fix first. But there's no reason at all why they shouldn't patch this in eventually. | ||
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redemption
United States112 Posts
On March 02 2012 17:46 eu.exodus wrote: as an ex diamond terran who switched to zerg on a different account and dropped to plat i know all about it. what people also dont realise is that if you switch race and you feel more comfortable with the new race you probably aren't going to touch your old race unless you feel like screwing around in custom games. so having 3 separate ladders for 3 separate races would only be to show off your shiny league badge and nothing else. if its really that important to you, buy another account. i did and to be honest it was just to fuck around with. now Im playing zerg on my second account and haven't touched my old account in 2 seasons. Says who? Just because you personally don't feel inclined to touch your old race after switching, I'm sure there are many people that would like to switch back and forth. I think it would actually be pretty fun to set a goal for myself such as "Get all 3 races individually into diamond." Then "Get all three into masters." Then maybe "Get into masters with Random." I would definitely play more. There's nothing to lose by patching in different leagues for different races, and it would only make the game more fun. So why not? It's not that much more work for Blizzard to do from a programming standpoint... Maybe the hardest part would be redesigning the Profile screen a bit to display the 3 different races. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
EDIT: Should be noted that I still think it's retarded that there's not individual ladders for each race, I would play a LOT more ladder if there was. | ||
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redemption
United States112 Posts
On March 02 2012 17:55 akaMadMike wrote: Well, how many of the divisions from plat and down have more than 50% of the players playing less than 25 games in a season? From what I have experienced quite many of them. Given that you want to even split it more will just lead to completely inactive divisions. People doing two-three games with their off-race when they are tired of playing the main race. If you want to start a new race, just play and loose, the MMR system will try to find a place where you have ~55% win rate anyway. Eventually you will improve. If you don't want to get demoted just play Peepmode games. It wouldn't make a difference because there would be 3 times as many players (or 4x if you include Random). So each specific account-race combo might have less activity, but overall, the same number of games would be played (assuming the people that used to play are still playing). | ||
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redemption
United States112 Posts
On March 02 2012 18:26 Tobberoth wrote: Well, it really shouldn't be possible to be platinum with one race and silver with another unless you're some sort of timing push wonder who has no skill outside of that one build you do decently. I mean, if someone like idra changes to protoss, I'm sure we wouldn't see him in GM for quite a while, but it's not like he wouldn't be high master more or less immediately, and that's on the highest level. Me as a platinum zerg would be very surprised if I had issues getting to platinum quickly as terran or protoss. EDIT: Should be noted that I still think it's retarded that there's not individual ladders for each race, I would play a LOT more ladder if there was. Yeah I agree it shouldn't take TOO long. But each race still has a lot of depth regarding timings and stuff. Furthermore, you gotta get used to the hotkeys somewhat. And in regards to your example about Idra, I know there are pros that are really good off-racing. But I think I read on TL somewhere that in the Korean scene, the pros offrace battle each other for fun, and they make fun of one pro (I can't remember which pro) all the time because his offrace is absolutely terrible. Also, Idra's Zerg is WAY above the level of any NA high masters. So if his Terran and Toss were "merely" at high masters on NA, then it actually is a significant discrepancy. If we translate that down to us mortals, it could easily be the difference between one race being in mid-masters and the other in mid-diamond. So it can happen! | ||
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willkillson
United States123 Posts
On March 02 2012 17:55 akaMadMike wrote: Well, how many of the divisions from plat and down have more than 50% of the players playing less than 25 games in a season? From what I have experienced quite many of them. Given that you want to even split it more will just lead to completely inactive divisions. People doing two-three games with their off-race when they are tired of playing the main race. If you want to start a new race, just play and loose, the MMR system will try to find a place where you have ~55% win rate anyway. Eventually you will improve. If you don't want to get demoted just play Peepmode games. Your debating that fixing a real problem will break an unimportant broken feature. Just saying, it doesn't make sense. | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3825 Posts
On February 27 2012 05:56 Spicy_Curry wrote: the technology isnt there yet Haha, ^^ totally agrees  | ||
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CptCutter
United Kingdom370 Posts
On March 02 2012 17:55 akaMadMike wrote: Well, how many of the divisions from plat and down have more than 50% of the players playing less than 25 games in a season? From what I have experienced quite many of them. Given that you want to even split it more will just lead to completely inactive divisions. People doing two-three games with their off-race when they are tired of playing the main race. If you want to start a new race, just play and loose, the MMR system will try to find a place where you have ~55% win rate anyway. Eventually you will improve. If you don't want to get demoted just play Peepmode games. that ~55% is wrong, at the most the system should be trying to place you at a level where you will attain 50% win rate, the perfect situation is it actively trying to give you a 45% win rate as it actively tries to make you play better opponents, not weaker ones. but yeah, only non-masters players find the need to have seperate rankings for each race since all they think they can do to improve is playing one race, when its more than likely you need to be able to play all 3 races to a similar degree of skill to be masters. | ||
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akaMadMike
Norway93 Posts
On March 02 2012 18:28 redemption wrote: It wouldn't make a difference because there would be 3 times as many players (or 4x if you include Random). So each specific account-race combo might have less activity, but overall, the same number of games would be played (assuming the people that used to play are still playing). Yeah, you would have the same ammount of games, maybe even more games as offracing might take away some ladder fear. However I can not see how you would avoid having division after division with little to no activity below top 8 players. What you would end up with is atleast twice the ammount of divisions filled up with players haveing one or two games (just a placement match or two as their offrace). | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On February 29 2012 05:37 CrtBalorda wrote: Unless you play in the very high skill region where the match maker often cannot provide you an opponent of equal skill, the win ratio is just a sign of how good or bad the match maker works. It is no indication of your skill.Ahhhhh to bad it sucks? lol Blizzard why your BNet 0.2 so fail? Remove devisions and show my bloody looses. | ||
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pezit
Sweden302 Posts
On March 02 2012 15:26 EM1 wrote: only on TL do the mods warn people for voicing their opinion... GG You're a fucking retard, he's warned because the title was all caps. | ||
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CrY.
Japan97 Posts
this thread is so pointless, there are SO many other things that need to be done first that when blizzard sees frivolous threads like this, it discredits the truly imminent issues. make some friends imo and close this thread | ||
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