EPTLadder flaws when race switching - Page 9
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Nallen
United Kingdom134 Posts
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naggerNZ
New Zealand708 Posts
Look, if you want to play a different race without tanking your rating or waiting for your MMR to adjust, buy a new account. The vast majority of players don't switch races, and having three separate ladder positions for each race is an incredibly messy and inefficient solution to a very insignificant problem. | ||
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
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m1rk3
Canada412 Posts
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-Dustin-
United States718 Posts
On March 06 2012 21:34 naggerNZ wrote: Why won't these threads die... Look, if you want to play a different race without tanking your rating or waiting for your MMR to adjust, buy a new account. The vast majority of players don't switch races, and having three separate ladder positions for each race is an incredibly messy and inefficient solution to a very insignificant problem. Actually I believe more players race switch than what don't. I mean think about it, there are more casuals than hardcore gamers playing Starcraft2 as you can tell with how full Bronze league is. These people even some masters play casual(Me since I'm to busy with work and school to actually improve) and would like the ability to play the different races in 1v1 without just getting stomped. Hell I'd be fine if they made a custom map in which you could choose your race and people could search for games for example in BW I only played TvZ I loved it. So all my games were labled "TvZ you Z" and I would enjoy all my matches. This option doesn't exist in Starcraft2 so if you don't enjoy 2/3 of the matchups you are just out of luck and having to grind these match ups you don't want to play when you are limited for time sucks. It really does. With Zerg I hated ZvP and ZvZ but loved ZvT I would never get ZvT so I grew bored of the game. I switched to Terran and I'm having fun with the game. I just hated getting on ladder because I knew I would get ZvZ and ZvP and I didn't want to play those matchups but I wanted to play. There was no other way to combat this in the game itself other than race switching. Which wasn't a problem for me as I had solid-ish macro and I'm a firm believer macro alone will get you to masters. These players get bored with playing the same race everyday and just want a slight change maybe a few games every couple days with an offrace just for FUN and still keep their ranking on their main race. But the current system doesn't allow this. So they have to lose ranking just to play other players their levels. Don't even suggest custom games as I've done that. You either get a masters player that completly stomps you or a bronze player that doesn't even know how to play. But for the players that want to make the switch 100% like I did I feel an option to change races like you change names even charge for it if you want. Say you get 2 free and you can reset your ladder ranking on the condition that you can't choose the race you had played on ladder before untill you reach atleast that level with the race you switched to. | ||
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-Dustin-
United States718 Posts
On March 06 2012 21:45 lastshadow wrote: Accounts shouldn't have a ladder for each race, how fair would it be if a person with 3 accounts (lets use MVP for example, surely capable of GM with all 3 race) got into GM with all 3 race, on all 3 accounts, including random on both, thus securing 11 GM spots? I feel an easy fix to that is you can only reach GM with one of the races and the others are locked in Masters(Or what ever league). Simple and easy fix as no one needs more than one name in GM as its unfair to the other players. | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
As far as smurfing is concerned- smurfs are gonna smurf whether it's playing on a buddy's account, insta-quitting to tank their MMR, or buying a new account. At least there is some transparency with a new 1v1 system of 4 rankings, because everyone can see "hey this guy actually hit master with X race". To the person who gave an example of a pro hitting GM 12 times with 3 different accounts, do you really think a pro is going to waste all that time fking around with off races to hit GM on 12 accounts? And if he really wants it so bad, what is stopping him from buying multiple accounts or using a buddy's account to do it? Most of these rebuttals are just silly. | ||
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Nihilnovi
Sweden696 Posts
The races in SC2 are so similar it makes switching rather easy, you just go marine tank in tvz/t and mmm in tvp, and that's about it to make it to master, not like you really have any other options anyway  | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
On March 06 2012 21:34 naggerNZ wrote: Why won't these threads die... Look, if you want to play a different race without tanking your rating or waiting for your MMR to adjust, buy a new account. The vast majority of players don't switch races, and having three separate ladder positions for each race is an incredibly messy and inefficient solution to a very insignificant problem. Please explain a few things. 1) Why is it messy? 2) Vast majority of players don't switch races? What are you basing this off of? Everyone I know that plays this game enjoys playing more than one race. 3) How is this an inefficient solution? Shelling out another $50 for each race is efficient? | ||
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naggerNZ
New Zealand708 Posts
The current ladder system rates your maximum potential. The best performance you can give with whatever race you choose to play. | ||
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-Dustin-
United States718 Posts
On March 06 2012 21:59 Nihilnovi wrote: I really don't agree. It isn't hard to learn a new race at all, mechanics and timings carry over, you get used to the new style of macro relatively easy and painfree. I play master toss and bought a new acc to play terran cos I thought this would be an issue. Well, I was master on T in under 20 games and found the "switch" to be very easy and smooth. The races in SC2 are so similar it makes switching rather easy, you just go marine tank in tvz/t and mmm in tvp, and that's about it to make it to master, not like you really have any other options anyway Thats the issue in my opinion. Why should I throw another 50$ at the game to play something that is INCLUDED in my original purchase of the game. I bought the game to play and enjoy and sitting there leaving game after game or losing game after game isn't fun or enjoyable. But I agree its easy for master players to switch as all you need is solid macro and you'll be carried far. But think about the golds, plats, and diamonds that feel accomplished when ranking up but then have to shatter all that just to change races because their bored or buy the game again. It just doesn't make sense. @NaggerNZ Still doesn't matter. It would be exactly the same as them being a completely diffrent person on the ladder. Consider someone got masters with Zerg and they switched to Protoss with the different MMR rating that person would be say a Plat Protoss fighting Plat players. How does that change anything at all? Those Plat players are vsing another plat player. Its all the same no matter if they have a higher level race or not. | ||
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naggerNZ
New Zealand708 Posts
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
But seriously, while I agree it would be nice for us to have individual ladders per race, I don't see a need. If you're getting beat constantly by better players (despite being able to beat them as your main race) you're going to get better and learn your stuff faster. Even by playing against the AI you're going to improve your mechanics and get back to where you need to be. | ||
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-Dustin-
United States718 Posts
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naggerNZ
New Zealand708 Posts
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-Dustin-
United States718 Posts
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
But my Protoss rating would be a complete troll account. I would do the stupid shit and only fuck around on it. This is an issue Blizzard has to realize, a lot of people will use these accounts to troll or smurf on. | ||
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IIIOmegaIII
Sweden319 Posts
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NoobStyles
Australia257 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=switch race&t=t&f=19&u=&gb=date&d= | ||
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BBQSAC
Australia89 Posts
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