EPTLadder flaws when race switching - Page 11
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logikly
United States329 Posts
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Oerbaa
Scotland184 Posts
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bwodie
Australia41 Posts
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MadProbe
United States269 Posts
fuck getting my zerg/terran skill up to masters by playing customs all day-- and i dont want to get demoted just for trying out a new race. back in wc3, i'd just create another free account so my main doesnt get screwed up... ...and that was 10 years ago... sigh. | ||
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Grackula
133 Posts
On February 27 2012 05:58 dAPhREAk wrote: not enough competitive people switch races for such a ladder ranking system to be necessary. Pretty sure that if there were separate MMRs for each race a shitton of people would play all races (at least I would). Ladder psychology 'n shit. That would also likely triple (not literally) most people's fun with the game. (and experience, everyone would get damn good at the game too by knowing each race) When I think about all the good stuff blizzard could do and what we actually have, there's only one word describing my feelings: why? | ||
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hoby2000
United States918 Posts
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elixir_gum
United States82 Posts
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resfirestar
United States109 Posts
On April 16 2012 09:57 hoby2000 wrote: OPs like this are merely a result of a misunderstanding of the point of ladder. The point of ladder is not to have an official ranking system we can all go by to say who's the best, but merely a way of representing one's own rank and relative skill level to the rest of the players involved in the same system. The difference between these two ideas is that on one hand you have the feeling that your rank means something in the SC2 community, and on the other you have the relative value of your skill when compared on a mass scale - meaning that the point of the ladder is to compare one's former self to one's current self to gain an understanding if you're moving in the right direction or not when it comes to making certain choices in the game. That wasn't the point of the OP. The point was that there's no decent way for a mid or high level player to try out a new race without getting absolutely stomped, learning nothing and probably getting frustrated with the new race. | ||
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eXeHephaistas
Netherlands144 Posts
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
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TheMatrix
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I mean if games as old as 20 years had this features, why is it that the stupid battlecrap 2.0 doesn't have them? | ||
NonY
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I don't understand why you make a point about buying three copies of the game. Just because owning multiple copies of a game yields some new benefit does not mean that that benefit is something that ought to be enjoyed by people owning one copy of that game. This seems incredibly obvious to me for multiplayer games and yet you point out that it's a multiplayer benefit as if that makes it more absurd. I think the more absurd thing would be an advantage to owning multiple copies of a game for offline or single player modes. In World of Warcraft, owning one copy of the game allows you to make multiple characters but not play them simultaneously. There are good reasons for this that I believe most MMO players respect enough that they do not protest the extra costs. They accept that people owning multiple copies of the game can experience and do things that people owning one copy cannot. Are those activities and experiences part of the game? The thing that is logically indefensible here is a definition of what it means to "get everything out of [the game]". Noting that some benefit is possible with multiple copies of the game and impossible without multiple copies of the game does not give much insight. You bought SC2 with the expectation that Blizzard was going to continue to add new features and content to the game via free patches. You think this feature qualifies as something that Blizzard should patch in. Make an argument to convince them to patch it in. Making a hypothetical argument as to why they haven't done it yet and then calling it unfair bullshit gets you nowhere. That maneuver is ridiculous. | ||
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ant-1
Canada149 Posts
As for the OP whining, I understand (I own two copies of SC2 just to have 2 races to play at different levels), but, well, it's just a corporate decision you have to swallow. And you know what, it makes sense, because 99% of people don't care if they cannot have multiple quasi-accounts for each race and random. And the WoW analogy does not stand, because in Wow even a casual can hit the level cap fairly quickly, so it makes sense to allow multiple charactrers. | ||
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iMPhantom
Canada2 Posts
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Grackula
133 Posts
On April 16 2012 10:23 Liquid`NonY wrote: You bought SC2 with the expectation that Blizzard was going to continue to add new features and content to the game via free patches. You think this feature qualifies as something that Blizzard should patch in. Make an argument to convince them to patch it in. Making a hypothetical argument as to why they haven't done it yet and then calling it unfair bullshit gets you nowhere. That maneuver is ridiculous. Maybe this was 2 deep 4 me, but many threads and countless good arguments have been brought up for blizzard to implement various features, and yet nothing is going to happen any time soon (or has happened in a way too long time). You may want to read the "A Declaration of Interdependence" thread, it's pretty relevant to the whole "assuming blizzard does things if they're given good reasons other than money" thing edit: I do imply that I don't want to be fucked in the ass as a customer like "ant-1" above this | ||
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Zephos
United States71 Posts
tl;dr: Just ladder offrace anyway. It won't cost you anything. | ||
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Grohg
United States243 Posts
On April 16 2012 10:41 iMPhantom wrote: hmmm Liquid'Nony Nice post, Though this post may have been rewritten that i am not aware of. I do not see why he got a warning upon reading it at this time it seem's as though he stated a very clear OPINION naturally i do not feel they have to add it though i would like them to and would step up to support such an OPTIONAL functionality. I think he was originally warned for an all caps lock title before a mod changed it. I don't think you should have a ranking for each race. Is each ladder just the ladder of the best t/z/p? You end up with a complicated system that dilutes the skill rankings of each subsequent ladder. I wouldn't be opposed to being able to start fresh every so often (every 3 seasons or so) but this is even pushing it. Play games with whatever race you want...you need to be demoted if you want to switch races and you aren't at the same skill level as your previous race. After a month of retraining yourself, you should be back to where you were before. | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On April 16 2012 10:39 ant-1 wrote: Sadly, Nony is right. Blizzard will not give you more bang for your bucks, because, well, it costs them to deliver, and you knew what you signed on when you bought the game. New stuff will be wrapped up in expansions. As for the OP whining, I understand (I own two copies of SC2 just to have 2 races to play at different levels), but, well, it's just a corporate decision you have to swallow. And you know what, it makes sense, because 99% of people don't care if they cannot have multiple quasi-accounts for each race and random. And the WoW analogy does not stand, because in Wow even a casual can hit the level cap fairly quickly, so it makes sense to allow multiple charactrers. His point was not playing them simultaneously not anything to do with more character slots. I agree with Nony, you got what you paid for. Entitled egotistical kids expect more since they're spoilt little shits. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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