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logikly
Profile Joined February 2009
United States329 Posts
April 16 2012 00:17 GMT
#201
I actually would enjoy if there was a different ladder for each race. I would play a lot more.
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Oerbaa
Profile Joined October 2011
Scotland184 Posts
April 16 2012 00:22 GMT
#202
would like this a lot
I came here to kick as and drink milk, and ive finished my milk
bwodie
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia41 Posts
April 16 2012 00:44 GMT
#203
i would also like this alot!
MadProbe
Profile Joined February 2012
United States269 Posts
April 16 2012 00:50 GMT
#204
i played protoss since release... and i STILL dont have the terran/zerg 10 1v1 wins achievement.

fuck getting my zerg/terran skill up to masters by playing customs all day-- and i dont want to get demoted just for trying out a new race.

back in wc3, i'd just create another free account so my main doesnt get screwed up...

...and that was 10 years ago...

sigh.
Grackula
Profile Joined May 2011
133 Posts
April 16 2012 00:52 GMT
#205
On February 27 2012 05:58 dAPhREAk wrote:
not enough competitive people switch races for such a ladder ranking system to be necessary.


Pretty sure that if there were separate MMRs for each race a shitton of people would play all races (at least I would). Ladder psychology 'n shit. That would also likely triple (not literally) most people's fun with the game. (and experience, everyone would get damn good at the game too by knowing each race)

When I think about all the good stuff blizzard could do and what we actually have, there's only one word describing my feelings: why?
hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
April 16 2012 00:57 GMT
#206
OPs like this are merely a result of a misunderstanding of the point of ladder. The point of ladder is not to have an official ranking system we can all go by to say who's the best, but merely a way of representing one's own rank and relative skill level to the rest of the players involved in the same system. The difference between these two ideas is that on one hand you have the feeling that your rank means something in the SC2 community, and on the other you have the relative value of your skill when compared on a mass scale - meaning that the point of the ladder is to compare one's former self to one's current self to gain an understanding if you're moving in the right direction or not when it comes to making certain choices in the game.
A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
elixir_gum
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States82 Posts
April 16 2012 01:04 GMT
#207
there is no reason for blizzard to implement this. people who srsly want to play different races and are at decently level with one race would rather buy a new account to do this on. And even if a lot of people are not buying new accounts to play different races on as long as there is some thats profit for blizzard. So if they implement this its just more work for them, and less cash
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resfirestar
Profile Joined January 2012
United States109 Posts
April 16 2012 01:10 GMT
#208
On April 16 2012 09:57 hoby2000 wrote:
OPs like this are merely a result of a misunderstanding of the point of ladder. The point of ladder is not to have an official ranking system we can all go by to say who's the best, but merely a way of representing one's own rank and relative skill level to the rest of the players involved in the same system. The difference between these two ideas is that on one hand you have the feeling that your rank means something in the SC2 community, and on the other you have the relative value of your skill when compared on a mass scale - meaning that the point of the ladder is to compare one's former self to one's current self to gain an understanding if you're moving in the right direction or not when it comes to making certain choices in the game.

That wasn't the point of the OP. The point was that there's no decent way for a mid or high level player to try out a new race without getting absolutely stomped, learning nothing and probably getting frustrated with the new race.
eXeHephaistas
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands144 Posts
April 16 2012 01:14 GMT
#209
I support the OP
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
April 16 2012 01:17 GMT
#210
Blizzard won't do it because then you get a situation where there are these barren divisions of players who aren't using the race they are placed with. They're doing everything in their power to keep divisions active and competitive. This would be the opposite of what they are trying to achieve.
TheMatrix
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
51 Posts
April 16 2012 01:18 GMT
#211
How about the ability which was in WC2, D1, D2, SC1, SC:BW and WC3 to be able to create new accounts?

I mean if games as old as 20 years had this features, why is it that the stupid battlecrap 2.0 doesn't have them?
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
April 16 2012 01:23 GMT
#212
How is a natural solution unrealistic? Either it's not natural or it's not a solution. Your writing is very unclear there.

I don't understand why you make a point about buying three copies of the game. Just because owning multiple copies of a game yields some new benefit does not mean that that benefit is something that ought to be enjoyed by people owning one copy of that game. This seems incredibly obvious to me for multiplayer games and yet you point out that it's a multiplayer benefit as if that makes it more absurd. I think the more absurd thing would be an advantage to owning multiple copies of a game for offline or single player modes.

In World of Warcraft, owning one copy of the game allows you to make multiple characters but not play them simultaneously. There are good reasons for this that I believe most MMO players respect enough that they do not protest the extra costs. They accept that people owning multiple copies of the game can experience and do things that people owning one copy cannot. Are those activities and experiences part of the game?

The thing that is logically indefensible here is a definition of what it means to "get everything out of [the game]". Noting that some benefit is possible with multiple copies of the game and impossible without multiple copies of the game does not give much insight.

You bought SC2 with the expectation that Blizzard was going to continue to add new features and content to the game via free patches. You think this feature qualifies as something that Blizzard should patch in. Make an argument to convince them to patch it in. Making a hypothetical argument as to why they haven't done it yet and then calling it unfair bullshit gets you nowhere. That maneuver is ridiculous.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
ant-1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada149 Posts
April 16 2012 01:39 GMT
#213
Sadly, Nony is right. Blizzard will not give you more bang for your bucks, because, well, it costs them to deliver, and you knew what you signed on when you bought the game. New stuff will be wrapped up in expansions.
As for the OP whining, I understand (I own two copies of SC2 just to have 2 races to play at different levels), but, well, it's just a corporate decision you have to swallow. And you know what, it makes sense, because 99% of people don't care if they cannot have multiple quasi-accounts for each race and random.
And the WoW analogy does not stand, because in Wow even a casual can hit the level cap fairly quickly, so it makes sense to allow multiple charactrers.

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iMPhantom
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada2 Posts
April 16 2012 01:41 GMT
#214
hmmm Liquid'Nony Nice post, Though this post may have been rewritten that i am not aware of. I do not see why he got a warning upon reading it at this time it seem's as though he stated a very clear OPINION naturally i do not feel they have to add it though i would like them to and would step up to support such an OPTIONAL functionality.
"How is that Balanced"-anyone who's played against terran
Grackula
Profile Joined May 2011
133 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 01:52:41
April 16 2012 01:43 GMT
#215
On April 16 2012 10:23 Liquid`NonY wrote:

You bought SC2 with the expectation that Blizzard was going to continue to add new features and content to the game via free patches. You think this feature qualifies as something that Blizzard should patch in. Make an argument to convince them to patch it in. Making a hypothetical argument as to why they haven't done it yet and then calling it unfair bullshit gets you nowhere. That maneuver is ridiculous.


Maybe this was 2 deep 4 me, but many threads and countless good arguments have been brought up for blizzard to implement various features, and yet nothing is going to happen any time soon (or has happened in a way too long time).

You may want to read the "A Declaration of Interdependence" thread, it's pretty relevant to the whole "assuming blizzard does things if they're given good reasons other than money" thing

edit: I do imply that I don't want to be fucked in the ass as a customer like "ant-1" above this
Zephos
Profile Joined June 2011
United States71 Posts
April 16 2012 01:52 GMT
#216
I don't understand what the big deal is. Why not just play all three races on the same account? If you play multiple races equally your skill should be pretty much the same with all, and if you don't play them equally then you won't be playing offrace frequently enough to offset your rank by much. I ladder as terran from time to time and so far it hasn't even made a dent in my ranking. And even if it had, what would I care? Ladder points don't matter, and even if they did, I could easily get them back just by playing onrace again.

tl;dr: Just ladder offrace anyway. It won't cost you anything.
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Grohg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States243 Posts
April 16 2012 01:55 GMT
#217
On April 16 2012 10:41 iMPhantom wrote:
hmmm Liquid'Nony Nice post, Though this post may have been rewritten that i am not aware of. I do not see why he got a warning upon reading it at this time it seem's as though he stated a very clear OPINION naturally i do not feel they have to add it though i would like them to and would step up to support such an OPTIONAL functionality.


I think he was originally warned for an all caps lock title before a mod changed it.

I don't think you should have a ranking for each race. Is each ladder just the ladder of the best t/z/p? You end up with a complicated system that dilutes the skill rankings of each subsequent ladder. I wouldn't be opposed to being able to start fresh every so often (every 3 seasons or so) but this is even pushing it. Play games with whatever race you want...you need to be demoted if you want to switch races and you aren't at the same skill level as your previous race. After a month of retraining yourself, you should be back to where you were before.
You can't spell slaughter without laughter.
Chocobo
Profile Joined November 2006
United States1108 Posts
April 16 2012 01:56 GMT
#218
I would pay money to upgrade my account to be able to ladder separately. Yes it ought to be included by default, but companies love making "extra money" from DLC etc... well Blizzard, I authorize you to go ahead and sell this to me. And I'm the kind of person who NEVER pays for extras.
MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
April 16 2012 01:57 GMT
#219
On April 16 2012 10:39 ant-1 wrote:
Sadly, Nony is right. Blizzard will not give you more bang for your bucks, because, well, it costs them to deliver, and you knew what you signed on when you bought the game. New stuff will be wrapped up in expansions.
As for the OP whining, I understand (I own two copies of SC2 just to have 2 races to play at different levels), but, well, it's just a corporate decision you have to swallow. And you know what, it makes sense, because 99% of people don't care if they cannot have multiple quasi-accounts for each race and random.
And the WoW analogy does not stand, because in Wow even a casual can hit the level cap fairly quickly, so it makes sense to allow multiple charactrers.



His point was not playing them simultaneously not anything to do with more character slots.

I agree with Nony, you got what you paid for. Entitled egotistical kids expect more since they're spoilt little shits.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 16 2012 01:57 GMT
#220
I would sooooo play all 3 races if MMR was per race instead of per account...
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