EPTLadder flaws when race switching - Page 13
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Capulet
Canada686 Posts
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harlock78
United States94 Posts
Early on Blizzard did state that if enough players mentioned it, they'd think about a new system. This trend of putting DRMs everywhere or accounts limitations is a complete turn off. I don't know if they thought hard or if their greediness prevented their thinking. What is sure is that if this is not changed, I will not buy HOTS, and prolly just torrent the singleplayer. | ||
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Abort Retry Fail
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JDub
United States976 Posts
That said, I don't think this is enough of a reason not to have separate MMRs. I ended up buying a separate account to play Terran since my Zerg was up at mid to high-ish masters and I wanted to preserve my Zerg MMR. Then again, I had no problem buying a second account, so I guess Blizzard made a pretty good business decision for people like me. | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On April 16 2012 12:50 Abort Retry Fail wrote: You're asking too much. Your rank should reflect your overall skills, regardless of race. I wish I could get people who respond like this to answer in more detail. Why do you think it's OK for people to have to either 1) waste hours de-ranking to offrace, then rank up on their main race again or 2) never play more than 1 race? Why is this situation a better option than allowing people to learn all 3 races? So many answers simply say "screw you, you want too much, you're greedy" and give no reasons for it. Or am I just letting myself be trolled? | ||
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Amlitzer
United States471 Posts
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
On April 16 2012 12:08 Capulet wrote: It's not as simple as allowing one account to have 4 different MMRs, one for each race + random. I'm sure there are problems we are overlooking. For one thing, how would you account for GM league when a player like TLO can easily get GM with all 3 races? only one battletag allowed in gm would solve that problem | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On April 16 2012 13:00 Spicy_Curry wrote: only one battletag allowed in gm would solve that problem Buying a second account would solve the MMR problem too. People like me have bought multiple accounts to play multiple races. Why would Blizzard limit their revenue? | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On April 16 2012 11:09 Grackula wrote: But you're still going to buy expansions even after you've eaten the corporations shit, which will encourage them to threat their customers even more like a wallet for the least amount of work possible. I can hardly believe your post is serious This goes for all the other posts who want to give money to blizzard for things they can do in a few hours of work with 2 devs Yes, I will still buy expansions because I enjoy the franchise. Just because Blizzard can do this in a few hours work(even though you have no idea if it is a few hours or not since you didn't actually develop the game and all) you expect to be given more for what reason? Why does Blizzard owe you this? They don't. They owe you nothing. Quite literally not a thing. You can have your game access revoked right now just because you look funny. If you think they owe you something then you're sorely mistaken. Now would I like some of the proposed suggestions players have come up with? Yeah sure they're pretty sound and neat. But that's all they are. Suggestions. It's up to Blizzard if they want to read and implement your suggestion and if not then it's no skin off of their nose. People should stop thinking that Blizzard owe them. If their games are shit and their game is absolute trash then we simply don't buy their shit. The second they see, for example, half the sales of HotS compared to WoL then they'll see 'ohh we fucked up somewhere along the lines' and then they'll try to rectify it. Right now though, they have a pretty solid player base. So pretty much, boycott their games if you don't like their business model, or if you don't feel like the game is worth it. Else just keep throwing suggestions in hopes that Blizzard will hear and that's fine, but don't act like you're entitled to anything. | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On April 16 2012 12:54 Chocobo wrote: I wish I could get people who respond like this to answer in more detail. Why do you think it's OK for people to have to either 1) waste hours de-ranking to offrace, then rank up on their main race again or 2) never play more than 1 race? Why is this situation a better option than allowing people to learn all 3 races? So many answers simply say "screw you, you want too much, you're greedy" and give no reasons for it. Or am I just letting myself be trolled? Why de-rank yourself when you can just play and eventually get the hang of it? If you're demoted then that's fine you're obviously not as good with that race compared to your other race. I play terran and zerg and I'm perfectly fine sitting where I am. Granted my terran isn't as strong as my zerg but I still can beat other players in masters with both races because I actually took my time in leaguing to masters with zerg then race switching to terran to actually face players that were better then me so I could LEARN how to play it. Learning from losses is a lot easier then learning from wins so when you lose and lose and lose you can identify where you were going wrong and how to fix your issue you were having. Stop saying you waste hours of de-ranking when you have the option to play the game instead of just join and leave, because it's you who is wasting your own time. | ||
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pileopoop
Canada317 Posts
On April 16 2012 12:08 Capulet wrote: It's not as simple as allowing one account to have 4 different MMRs, one for each race + random. I'm sure there are problems we are overlooking. For one thing, how would you account for GM league when a player like TLO can easily get GM with all 3 races? I don't see your point if 5 people get top 20 GM then good for them its not like rank matters | ||
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
On February 27 2012 06:03 VoO wrote: I really see your point, and I agree but they won't change anything because it will cost money. Furthermore, you shouldn't be concerned about ladder. I've often switched between races and purposely lost 50 games in a row to be in an adequate ladder position. Btw, I wouldn't recommend custom games if you want to switch, since almost nobody plays customs for real. I won against Master players when I offraced Zerg at Platinum level. Mind sharing those replays? | ||
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mastergriggy
United States1312 Posts
I don't think that any amount of constructive feedback can get blizzard to change something that makes them more money or else we'd have LAN by now. I do agree with you and don't see why it would be such a big deal to just have multiple ladders for one account. | ||
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Chvol
United States200 Posts
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fengshaun
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On April 16 2012 13:10 MonkSEA wrote: Why de-rank yourself when you can just play and eventually get the hang of it? If you're demoted then that's fine you're obviously not as good with that race compared to your other race. I play terran and zerg and I'm perfectly fine sitting where I am. Granted my terran isn't as strong as my zerg but I still can beat other players in masters with both races because I actually took my time in leaguing to masters with zerg then race switching to terran to actually face players that were better then me so I could LEARN how to play it. Learning from losses is a lot easier then learning from wins so when you lose and lose and lose you can identify where you were going wrong and how to fix your issue you were having. Stop saying you waste hours of de-ranking when you have the option to play the game instead of just join and leave, because it's you who is wasting your own time. Standard anti-customer response. "Whatever you want is stupid, and your problems aren't important anyway". Like I've already said, it's pointless for a platinum protoss to face a mid masters zerg who can shut down 4gates for free and will shove a 200 supply army down your throat at 12:00 if you try to macro up. There is no opportunity to learn and improve your game when against an opponent who is so far out of your league. This is precisely why the ladder matches up people of equal skill levels in the first place. Playing out these hopeless games is a significantly larger waste of time than simply auto-leaving, and doesn't solve the problem of having to level back up when you go back to your main race either. All of these problems can be easily solved by just allowing people to ladder with each race separately. No one on the "leave things alone" side seems to be able to explain why it's better to have a system that heavily discourages playing more than one race, instead of a system that allows it. Every argument is just "stfu and deal with it", with the exception of the "but... um.. some broke people might share an account!" which is a pretty weak reason to leave things as is. | ||
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
On February 27 2012 06:45 esotericc wrote: Came here to post this, if people haven't realized yet I will make this extremely clear. Blizzard just simply doesn't care what you want, they like having the model that if you want a separate ladder ranking you need to buy the game again. Blizzard has little to no interest in catering to communities needs in battlenet. I usually wouldn't be so pessimistic on the matter but this has been talked to death in a billion threads. Blizzard just simply isn't going to do it. As much as I would agree with Blizzard being a profit-modeled organization right now, I don't think that many people purchase extra copies of starcraft just for a new ladder rank. Seems like a change that should be made. Like the Blizzard employee responded, there needs to be a large, concentrated and noticeable amount of feedback for change to be done. | ||
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probob
Germany227 Posts
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fengshaun
149 Posts
On April 16 2012 13:37 dgwow wrote: As much as I would agree with Blizzard being a profit-modeled organization right now, I don't think that many people purchase extra copies of starcraft just for a new ladder rank. Seems like a change that should be made. Like the Blizzard employee responded, there needs to be a large, concentrated and noticeable amount of feedback for change to be done. ^^^^ This! I've just sent a feedback to Bliz. Why don't you guys take a few second and do it too? And you can refer to this thread! I have also taken the time to make a petition for this. If you care about this issue, sign the petition so we have something to show Bliz: http://www.change.org/petitions/blizzard-entertainment-starcraft-ii-add-separate-mmrs-placement-matches-for-different-1v1-races | ||
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