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On March 06 2012 21:34 naggerNZ wrote:
Why won't these threads die...
Look, if you want to play a different race without tanking your rating or waiting for your MMR to adjust, buy a new account. The vast majority of players don't switch races, and having three separate ladder positions for each race is an incredibly messy and inefficient solution to a very insignificant problem.
Maybe because that's an absurd solution (total ripoff) and because there is nothing inefficient or messy about separate race rankings...
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Off race smurfing is a pretty messy idea in my opinion, probably in Bliz's too. It's not like they have a perfect system for removing smurfing, but they tried to make every change they possibly could to that effect. It's one of the few clear design decisions in SC2 Bnet 2.0.
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On March 06 2012 23:18 BBQSAC wrote:
I am gold zerg on SEA, I played some 2v2 / 3v3 games and a few customs against a bronze level mate and a week later I placed gold as protoss on my NA account. Up until the pro maybe high master level race switching is a non-issue as basic mechanics and game sense are all that really matters. Seems a bit like an unnecessary whine.
Gold league is basically the noob league for people who can multi-task. There's absolutely no way you'll get into Diamond without a good understanding of build orders and the All-Ins you need to scout for.
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On March 07 2012 16:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:18 BBQSAC wrote:
I am gold zerg on SEA, I played some 2v2 / 3v3 games and a few customs against a bronze level mate and a week later I placed gold as protoss on my NA account. Up until the pro maybe high master level race switching is a non-issue as basic mechanics and game sense are all that really matters. Seems a bit like an unnecessary whine. Gold league is basically the noob league for people who can multi-task. There's absolutely no way you'll get into Diamond without a good understanding of build orders and the All-Ins you need to scout for.
You can get diamond without understanding jack about the game. Just sayin. :/
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You can get masters without understanding jack about the game. I've seen a friend of mine play Terran marine scv all in every game and end up in Masters at the end of Season 1. It was the most disgusting thing I seen that a build that takes no skill to execute could place you in the top league.
I was considering a second account so that I could ladder as Zerg, but I didn't because it is stupid to invest in $60 so your main account MMR does not falls down. I ended up playing customs with lower leveled players until I got bored of Zerg as a race and went back.
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On March 07 2012 16:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:18 BBQSAC wrote:
I am gold zerg on SEA, I played some 2v2 / 3v3 games and a few customs against a bronze level mate and a week later I placed gold as protoss on my NA account. Up until the pro maybe high master level race switching is a non-issue as basic mechanics and game sense are all that really matters. Seems a bit like an unnecessary whine. Gold league is basically the noob league for people who can multi-task. There's absolutely no way you'll get into Diamond without a good understanding of build orders and the All-Ins you need to scout for.
This is actually completely false. You don't need any real build orders or scouting whatsoever to get to diamond (or even higher). If you just play relatively safe and don't suck at macro you will be stomping diamonds. (Or obviously cheese to master, but I don't really count that as playing)
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I wonder if it'd be possible to open up a ranking for each race you play, so you'd be bronze 1v1 T, maybe silver 1v1 Z, and something like mid-bronze 1v1 P or something, this way you'd be playing against players which are similar to your ability to play that race and not against people who are similarly skilled to you.
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One huge loophole is it allows three players to ladder on one account, as long as they play different races...
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We purchased the right to have access to mutiplayer whenever we want. Even if someone does this, it wouldn't be at the same time so as far as I'm concerned, it's no loophole.
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Actually it would be really really cool. Because players would try to have a nice profile by being master with the three races, therefor they will play the 3 races and I think we should see a big skill improvement overall.
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I think the casual pseudo ladder is what makes a game like LoL so much more popular than SC2, apart from the whole pay for the game v free game aspect
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Yeah, I feel a lot more people would be willing to experiment and have fun just playing the game if this was implemented.
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So, has this issue "caught any eyes" from bliz guys yet?
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On March 08 2012 08:04 agahamsorr0w wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 16:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 06 2012 23:18 BBQSAC wrote:
I am gold zerg on SEA, I played some 2v2 / 3v3 games and a few customs against a bronze level mate and a week later I placed gold as protoss on my NA account. Up until the pro maybe high master level race switching is a non-issue as basic mechanics and game sense are all that really matters. Seems a bit like an unnecessary whine. Gold league is basically the noob league for people who can multi-task. There's absolutely no way you'll get into Diamond without a good understanding of build orders and the All-Ins you need to scout for. You can get diamond without understanding jack about the game. Just sayin. :/
You can get into masters without understanding jack shit too, just sayin.
I see a lot of people in masters who seem absolutely clueless about this game, it kinda blows my mind.
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i was high diamond switched to zerg, played 1 weeks of customs, now i am still high diamond, same level with my protoss...
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I really hope this get changed in the expo. I'd enjoy playing the other races but I don't want to sacrifice the ladder rank. It'd just mean I get easy games with my main race and hard/fair games with my offrace.
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On March 08 2012 08:56 FairForever wrote:
One huge loophole is it allows three players to ladder on one account, as long as they play different races...
Three players can ladder one account right now if they play the same race.
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Unless you're high masters/GM you won't lose much ranking doing a race switch. Your basic fundamentals of macro, micro, and general game sense stay with you from race to race. You can always do customs or team games to learn a new race also ~~
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Yeah, there should definitely be an option to play each race on one account. Would definitely helped the number of players in this game since right now the game is more suited to hardcore players who are willing to master one particular race instead of trying stuff out with all races.
I'd also like to learn more about terran and play them abit cause they seem fun, but I'm not gonna just abandon my main race, Zerg, cause I feel like testing another race for a while.
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Just saying, I'd probably troll people with my Terran if I had a separate ranking I could just leave at bronze. I'm sure others would too. I say its a good thing what we have right now. At least this way I'd be penalized by surrendering games all day by tanking my MMR, thats a pretty good disincentive.
In the end the ladder sorts itself out. If you're new to a race, you wont be good at it so expect to lose a lot before you get the hang of it.
There's enough hand-holding as it is with Blizzard games in general, I think some people should just meet them halfway by putting in the time.
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