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As someone who has switched races several times I'm not sure I understand the problem here. You would be surprised how quickly the system will adjust towards your skill - IE within like 10-15 games. If you are trying to learn a new race, it helps to lose at the highest level possible to learn faster. If you are returning to your old main race, hey have fun with your 10 game win streak or whatever; I enjoyed it...
My main race is protoss, at a masters level, and the other races I play at a diamond level. I think your mechanics remain consistent no matter what race you are playing; it should mostly be a matter of learning bos and specific timings for scouting etc. At anything short of pro level switching races isn't much of a commitment.
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On February 27 2012 07:44 Lowell wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 07:30 BloodThirsty wrote:
lol really? man people need to stop crying "wah my % for my race isn't matching up with my other races" quit crying. Tired of people making threads like this. You should be lucky if you switch races that u lose a lot u should be grateful to be able to see ur flaws in ur new race. If you aren't playing professionally in top tier tournaments u shouldnt care about winning or losing if u learn from ur games u r losing. So stop QQing and making threads bout ur low self esteem cuz u dont wanna lose with a new race and go back on the ladder and hit the search game button. This post is so fucking stupid. Its not about people crying about their percentages or a few losses its about the different level of play for different levels. With the current system youre not really able to offrace without a second account, unless your offrace is nearly as good as your main race. It has nothing to do with self esteem, its about being matched with opponents of the same level, even if you choose to play another race. I switched races 2 times with this system. Starcraft 2 would be a better experience, when i could just casually play my offrace every now and then.
lmao how is it stupid? u actually care about ur ladder ranking that means absolutely nothing? u should be happy to be playing better players with ur weaker race thats how ull improve faster. So yes i believe u r crying cuz clearly it has to do with self esteem of being afraid to drop in ranking or u woulldnt care if u didnt care what people thought bout ur sc2 ranking. U would use the opportunity to go out and get better practice with ur weaker race
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On February 27 2012 06:18 mrafaeldie12 wrote:
LOL Hopefully it will catch the eye...? Great staff over at blizzard, can't even talk between themselves apparently.
No that surprising considering the fact that they didnt even implement a PTR for the last patch.
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This is not an important issue.
You can practice with your new race against the computer, and you can play custom games before deciding to try your new race on ladder.
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I don't really see a problem with ladder really. Custom matches and AI are both a great way to practice a new race. Besides, as another poster mentioned, it catches up with your current skill level quickly enough. Back when I switched from P to T in Season 2, I played several times vs the AI, several custom matches, went to ladder and it quickly caught up with my skill level. No problem whatsoever.
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Isn't this what customs are for? Like literally what customs are for?
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What do you suggest Blizzard should do?
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On February 27 2012 08:16 lorkac wrote:
Isn't this what customs are for? Like literally what customs are for?
I agree - GreenTea AI is great for learning a new race. I think the intial progress is quicker because you can just focus on one thing. Too many variables on ladder as opposed to setting one matchup, one map and one opening strategy to learn the basic mechanics of your new race without any pressure.
Rinse and repeat...
profit. ;-)
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On February 27 2012 08:17 Johnnybb wrote:
What do you suggest Blizzard should do?
Personally i think its OK the way it is, id have to say i personally thing the best solution would be an unranked matchmaking system but with the nature of the current system that can be iffy to implement because the ladder as it is is less about pure overall rank on a single list so having a seperate unranked ladder thats matching you based on your current rank would be kind wierd.
I do think it can be a little difficult for lower level players to get a bunch of games in against players around their level without just using the ladder, and of course this would apply to those switching races as well.
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Such a stupid thread. This game is complex enough for each player to roughly be able to play 1 race. If you want to switch races, practice with friends etc. Blizzard will not and cannot implement another 5 didnt MMR's and rankings and stats for you....
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On February 27 2012 07:51 BloodThirsty wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 07:44 Lowell wrote:On February 27 2012 07:30 BloodThirsty wrote:
lol really? man people need to stop crying "wah my % for my race isn't matching up with my other races" quit crying. Tired of people making threads like this. You should be lucky if you switch races that u lose a lot u should be grateful to be able to see ur flaws in ur new race. If you aren't playing professionally in top tier tournaments u shouldnt care about winning or losing if u learn from ur games u r losing. So stop QQing and making threads bout ur low self esteem cuz u dont wanna lose with a new race and go back on the ladder and hit the search game button. This post is so fucking stupid. Its not about people crying about their percentages or a few losses its about the different level of play for different levels. With the current system youre not really able to offrace without a second account, unless your offrace is nearly as good as your main race. It has nothing to do with self esteem, its about being matched with opponents of the same level, even if you choose to play another race. I switched races 2 times with this system. Starcraft 2 would be a better experience, when i could just casually play my offrace every now and then. lmao how is it stupid? u actually care about ur ladder ranking that means absolutely nothing? u should be happy to be playing better players with ur weaker race thats how ull improve faster. So yes i believe u r crying cuz clearly it has to do with self esteem of being afraid to drop in ranking or u woulldnt care if u didnt care what people thought bout ur sc2 ranking. U would use the opportunity to go out and get better practice with ur weaker race
Are you always this rude?
First of all if you don't care about winning/losing/ladder rank or non of that why would you even play the game? What's the benifit of improving faster if your rank doesn't matter to you at all? Cause you honestly think you are gonna go pro with your new race? Ladder is a fun competitive experience where you can test your skill and it makes no sense that you have to lose 40 games before you can enjoy the competion of people of your own skill.
Imagine if you were on a great baseball team and then all of a sudden you and your team decided to play basket ball instead and then the leagues forced you to play at an incredibly high level until you have lost all the way down to somewhere you can actually compete? It would be the silliest thing ever. I was a competitive swimmer when I was younger - does that mean that I have to play at a really high level if I suddenly felt like taking up football?
You say it's a good thing you get to meet better players - but I hate playing when I meet someone and it turns out he just recently changed his race - I knoow it's gonna be a walk in the park and basically no useful practice for me this game because he has to lose 30 games to be at his level meanwhile he is playing games at my level.
Being able to play all 3 races could also tone done balance complaints since it would be easier to test out the other races whenever you pleased. Speaking from experience in WC3. I would basically switch race every 500 game and it always went like "this is gonna be sweet I'm gonna enjoy all this abusive stuff" to "f...! this race! So sick of being owned by this and this" and then I'd switch to learn that the grass once again wasn't greener on the other side.
And before you now make another rude comment directed at me, lemmie just get it out of the way that I was a protoss player who swtiched to Zerg a long time ago and had a ton of losses. I didn't mind it too much, but that doesn't mean that it's not silly and that there are better alternative systems out there. Sometimes I'd still like to play some games as toss but I can't without throwing away a ton of games - and no I don't have practice partners that are way below my level in case I wanna have abit of fun with another race for a while.
There is absolutely no reason why we can't have a ladder rank for each race and even less reason for you to be so rude about it.
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On February 27 2012 08:11 Nemireck wrote:
This is not an important issue.
You can practice with your new race against the computer, and you can play custom games before deciding to try your new race on ladder.
Practicing against the AI is stupid.
They do pushes on timings that never happen in real games anymore and they 1 base forever. They will also never mass expo when they have the advantage either or attack you at ideal timing.
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On February 27 2012 08:30 Cereb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 07:51 BloodThirsty wrote:On February 27 2012 07:44 Lowell wrote:On February 27 2012 07:30 BloodThirsty wrote:
lol really? man people need to stop crying "wah my % for my race isn't matching up with my other races" quit crying. Tired of people making threads like this. You should be lucky if you switch races that u lose a lot u should be grateful to be able to see ur flaws in ur new race. If you aren't playing professionally in top tier tournaments u shouldnt care about winning or losing if u learn from ur games u r losing. So stop QQing and making threads bout ur low self esteem cuz u dont wanna lose with a new race and go back on the ladder and hit the search game button. This post is so fucking stupid. Its not about people crying about their percentages or a few losses its about the different level of play for different levels. With the current system youre not really able to offrace without a second account, unless your offrace is nearly as good as your main race. It has nothing to do with self esteem, its about being matched with opponents of the same level, even if you choose to play another race. I switched races 2 times with this system. Starcraft 2 would be a better experience, when i could just casually play my offrace every now and then. lmao how is it stupid? u actually care about ur ladder ranking that means absolutely nothing? u should be happy to be playing better players with ur weaker race thats how ull improve faster. So yes i believe u r crying cuz clearly it has to do with self esteem of being afraid to drop in ranking or u woulldnt care if u didnt care what people thought bout ur sc2 ranking. U would use the opportunity to go out and get better practice with ur weaker race Are you always this rude? First of all if you don't care about winning/losing/ladder rank or non of that why would you even play the game? What's the benifit of improving faster if your rank doesn't matter to you at all? Cause you honestly think you are gonna go pro with your new race? Ladder is a fun competitive experience where you can test your skill and it makes no sense that you have to lose 40 games before you can enjoy the competion of people of your own skill. Imagine if you were on a great baseball team and then all of a sudden you and your team decided to play basket ball instead and then the leagues forced you to play at an incredibly high level until you have lost all the way down to somewhere you can actually compete? It would be the silliest thing ever. I was a competitive swimmer when I was younger - does that mean that I have to play at a really high level if I suddenly felt like taking up football? You say it's a good thing you get to meet better players - but I hate playing when I meet someone and it turns out he just recently changed his race - I knoow it's gonna be a walk in the park and basically no useful practice for me this game because he has to lose 30 games to be at his level meanwhile he is playing games at my level. Being able to play all 3 races could also tone done balance complaints since it would be easier to test out the other races whenever you pleased. Speaking from experience in WC3. I would basically switch race every 500 game and it always went like "this is gonna be sweet I'm gonna enjoy all this abusive stuff" to "f...! this race! So sick of being owned by this and this" and then I'd switch to learn that the grass once again wasn't greener on the other side. And before you now make another rude comment directed at me, lemmie just get it out of the way that I was a protoss player who swtiched to Zerg a long time ago and had a ton of losses. I didn't mind it too much, but that doesn't mean that it's not silly and that there are better alternative systems out there. Sometimes I'd still like to play some games as toss but I can't without throwing away a ton of games - and no I don't have practice partners that are way below my level in case I wanna have abit of fun with another race for a while. There is absolutely no reason why we can't have a ladder rank for each race and even less reason for you to be so rude about it.
im only rude when absurd suggestions are made. having a ladder for eahc race is a horrible idea. Suck it up go out and play and stop being afraid. Losing is part of the game if u cant handle it then dont play
btw u proved me right bout u being afraid to lose "why should i have to lose 40 times to have fun" go play customs with friends if u dont like it. LOSING is part of competitive SC2 ladder get used to it and stop QQing
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On February 27 2012 10:12 BloodThirsty wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 08:30 Cereb wrote:On February 27 2012 07:51 BloodThirsty wrote:On February 27 2012 07:44 Lowell wrote:On February 27 2012 07:30 BloodThirsty wrote:
lol really? man people need to stop crying "wah my % for my race isn't matching up with my other races" quit crying. Tired of people making threads like this. You should be lucky if you switch races that u lose a lot u should be grateful to be able to see ur flaws in ur new race. If you aren't playing professionally in top tier tournaments u shouldnt care about winning or losing if u learn from ur games u r losing. So stop QQing and making threads bout ur low self esteem cuz u dont wanna lose with a new race and go back on the ladder and hit the search game button. This post is so fucking stupid. Its not about people crying about their percentages or a few losses its about the different level of play for different levels. With the current system youre not really able to offrace without a second account, unless your offrace is nearly as good as your main race. It has nothing to do with self esteem, its about being matched with opponents of the same level, even if you choose to play another race. I switched races 2 times with this system. Starcraft 2 would be a better experience, when i could just casually play my offrace every now and then. lmao how is it stupid? u actually care about ur ladder ranking that means absolutely nothing? u should be happy to be playing better players with ur weaker race thats how ull improve faster. So yes i believe u r crying cuz clearly it has to do with self esteem of being afraid to drop in ranking or u woulldnt care if u didnt care what people thought bout ur sc2 ranking. U would use the opportunity to go out and get better practice with ur weaker race Are you always this rude? First of all if you don't care about winning/losing/ladder rank or non of that why would you even play the game? What's the benifit of improving faster if your rank doesn't matter to you at all? Cause you honestly think you are gonna go pro with your new race? Ladder is a fun competitive experience where you can test your skill and it makes no sense that you have to lose 40 games before you can enjoy the competion of people of your own skill. Imagine if you were on a great baseball team and then all of a sudden you and your team decided to play basket ball instead and then the leagues forced you to play at an incredibly high level until you have lost all the way down to somewhere you can actually compete? It would be the silliest thing ever. I was a competitive swimmer when I was younger - does that mean that I have to play at a really high level if I suddenly felt like taking up football? You say it's a good thing you get to meet better players - but I hate playing when I meet someone and it turns out he just recently changed his race - I knoow it's gonna be a walk in the park and basically no useful practice for me this game because he has to lose 30 games to be at his level meanwhile he is playing games at my level. Being able to play all 3 races could also tone done balance complaints since it would be easier to test out the other races whenever you pleased. Speaking from experience in WC3. I would basically switch race every 500 game and it always went like "this is gonna be sweet I'm gonna enjoy all this abusive stuff" to "f...! this race! So sick of being owned by this and this" and then I'd switch to learn that the grass once again wasn't greener on the other side. And before you now make another rude comment directed at me, lemmie just get it out of the way that I was a protoss player who swtiched to Zerg a long time ago and had a ton of losses. I didn't mind it too much, but that doesn't mean that it's not silly and that there are better alternative systems out there. Sometimes I'd still like to play some games as toss but I can't without throwing away a ton of games - and no I don't have practice partners that are way below my level in case I wanna have abit of fun with another race for a while. There is absolutely no reason why we can't have a ladder rank for each race and even less reason for you to be so rude about it. im only rude when absurd suggestions are made. having a ladder for eahc race is a horrible idea. Suck it up go out and play and stop being afraid. Losing is part of the game if u cant handle it then dont play btw u proved me right bout u being afraid to lose "why should i have to lose 40 times to have fun" go play customs with friends if u dont like it. LOSING is part of competitive SC2 ladder get used to it and stop QQing
Although i do think blizzard has dropped the ball on a very large number of things, i do agree that having sperate ladders for each race is a dumb idea.
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On February 27 2012 10:18 SnowSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 10:12 BloodThirsty wrote:On February 27 2012 08:30 Cereb wrote:On February 27 2012 07:51 BloodThirsty wrote:On February 27 2012 07:44 Lowell wrote:On February 27 2012 07:30 BloodThirsty wrote:
lol really? man people need to stop crying "wah my % for my race isn't matching up with my other races" quit crying. Tired of people making threads like this. You should be lucky if you switch races that u lose a lot u should be grateful to be able to see ur flaws in ur new race. If you aren't playing professionally in top tier tournaments u shouldnt care about winning or losing if u learn from ur games u r losing. So stop QQing and making threads bout ur low self esteem cuz u dont wanna lose with a new race and go back on the ladder and hit the search game button. This post is so fucking stupid. Its not about people crying about their percentages or a few losses its about the different level of play for different levels. With the current system youre not really able to offrace without a second account, unless your offrace is nearly as good as your main race. It has nothing to do with self esteem, its about being matched with opponents of the same level, even if you choose to play another race. I switched races 2 times with this system. Starcraft 2 would be a better experience, when i could just casually play my offrace every now and then. lmao how is it stupid? u actually care about ur ladder ranking that means absolutely nothing? u should be happy to be playing better players with ur weaker race thats how ull improve faster. So yes i believe u r crying cuz clearly it has to do with self esteem of being afraid to drop in ranking or u woulldnt care if u didnt care what people thought bout ur sc2 ranking. U would use the opportunity to go out and get better practice with ur weaker race Are you always this rude? First of all if you don't care about winning/losing/ladder rank or non of that why would you even play the game? What's the benifit of improving faster if your rank doesn't matter to you at all? Cause you honestly think you are gonna go pro with your new race? Ladder is a fun competitive experience where you can test your skill and it makes no sense that you have to lose 40 games before you can enjoy the competion of people of your own skill. Imagine if you were on a great baseball team and then all of a sudden you and your team decided to play basket ball instead and then the leagues forced you to play at an incredibly high level until you have lost all the way down to somewhere you can actually compete? It would be the silliest thing ever. I was a competitive swimmer when I was younger - does that mean that I have to play at a really high level if I suddenly felt like taking up football? You say it's a good thing you get to meet better players - but I hate playing when I meet someone and it turns out he just recently changed his race - I knoow it's gonna be a walk in the park and basically no useful practice for me this game because he has to lose 30 games to be at his level meanwhile he is playing games at my level. Being able to play all 3 races could also tone done balance complaints since it would be easier to test out the other races whenever you pleased. Speaking from experience in WC3. I would basically switch race every 500 game and it always went like "this is gonna be sweet I'm gonna enjoy all this abusive stuff" to "f...! this race! So sick of being owned by this and this" and then I'd switch to learn that the grass once again wasn't greener on the other side. And before you now make another rude comment directed at me, lemmie just get it out of the way that I was a protoss player who swtiched to Zerg a long time ago and had a ton of losses. I didn't mind it too much, but that doesn't mean that it's not silly and that there are better alternative systems out there. Sometimes I'd still like to play some games as toss but I can't without throwing away a ton of games - and no I don't have practice partners that are way below my level in case I wanna have abit of fun with another race for a while. There is absolutely no reason why we can't have a ladder rank for each race and even less reason for you to be so rude about it. im only rude when absurd suggestions are made. having a ladder for eahc race is a horrible idea. Suck it up go out and play and stop being afraid. Losing is part of the game if u cant handle it then dont play btw u proved me right bout u being afraid to lose "why should i have to lose 40 times to have fun" go play customs with friends if u dont like it. LOSING is part of competitive SC2 ladder get used to it and stop QQing Although i do think blizzard has dropped the ball on a very large number of things, i do agree that having sperate ladders for each race is a dumb idea.
yea i nevert said blizzard is perfect just having separate accounts for different races is foolish. If you main race has gotten u a higher mmr u should be honored to be playing with ur off race to learn from ur games that u will lose a lot from. Winning at low levels with an off race does nothing to improve but give u false confidence to get rolled when u get ur mmr up again.
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obviously the only solution is to never switch races 
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Blizzard really needs to scrap b.net 2.0, start from scratch, and have a whole new platform that enables LAN, off race ladder switching, a better custom game system, some sort of system that is condusive to map making, cross-region gaming, and better chat channels.
When you care about something, you figure out a way to make it happen. When you don't care about something, you make an excuse.
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They should maybe implement it but i dont see too much of a problem with it. The only drawback is getting ownd by players in Masters when i try off-racing because my Protoss and Terran is awful.
I've off-raced as T/P before went down to almost low diamond/platinum. Then i switch back to Zerg and won 30 games and only dropped 5 of them and of those 5 games i lost were to High Diamonds/Low Masters.
So you can easily manage it. Blizzard should implement it though maybe it would make it more convenient but they probably like $$$
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On February 27 2012 10:12 BloodThirsty wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 08:30 Cereb wrote:On February 27 2012 07:51 BloodThirsty wrote:On February 27 2012 07:44 Lowell wrote:On February 27 2012 07:30 BloodThirsty wrote:
lol really? man people need to stop crying "wah my % for my race isn't matching up with my other races" quit crying. Tired of people making threads like this. You should be lucky if you switch races that u lose a lot u should be grateful to be able to see ur flaws in ur new race. If you aren't playing professionally in top tier tournaments u shouldnt care about winning or losing if u learn from ur games u r losing. So stop QQing and making threads bout ur low self esteem cuz u dont wanna lose with a new race and go back on the ladder and hit the search game button. This post is so fucking stupid. Its not about people crying about their percentages or a few losses its about the different level of play for different levels. With the current system youre not really able to offrace without a second account, unless your offrace is nearly as good as your main race. It has nothing to do with self esteem, its about being matched with opponents of the same level, even if you choose to play another race. I switched races 2 times with this system. Starcraft 2 would be a better experience, when i could just casually play my offrace every now and then. lmao how is it stupid? u actually care about ur ladder ranking that means absolutely nothing? u should be happy to be playing better players with ur weaker race thats how ull improve faster. So yes i believe u r crying cuz clearly it has to do with self esteem of being afraid to drop in ranking or u woulldnt care if u didnt care what people thought bout ur sc2 ranking. U would use the opportunity to go out and get better practice with ur weaker race Are you always this rude? First of all if you don't care about winning/losing/ladder rank or non of that why would you even play the game? What's the benifit of improving faster if your rank doesn't matter to you at all? Cause you honestly think you are gonna go pro with your new race? Ladder is a fun competitive experience where you can test your skill and it makes no sense that you have to lose 40 games before you can enjoy the competion of people of your own skill. Imagine if you were on a great baseball team and then all of a sudden you and your team decided to play basket ball instead and then the leagues forced you to play at an incredibly high level until you have lost all the way down to somewhere you can actually compete? It would be the silliest thing ever. I was a competitive swimmer when I was younger - does that mean that I have to play at a really high level if I suddenly felt like taking up football? You say it's a good thing you get to meet better players - but I hate playing when I meet someone and it turns out he just recently changed his race - I knoow it's gonna be a walk in the park and basically no useful practice for me this game because he has to lose 30 games to be at his level meanwhile he is playing games at my level. Being able to play all 3 races could also tone done balance complaints since it would be easier to test out the other races whenever you pleased. Speaking from experience in WC3. I would basically switch race every 500 game and it always went like "this is gonna be sweet I'm gonna enjoy all this abusive stuff" to "f...! this race! So sick of being owned by this and this" and then I'd switch to learn that the grass once again wasn't greener on the other side. And before you now make another rude comment directed at me, lemmie just get it out of the way that I was a protoss player who swtiched to Zerg a long time ago and had a ton of losses. I didn't mind it too much, but that doesn't mean that it's not silly and that there are better alternative systems out there. Sometimes I'd still like to play some games as toss but I can't without throwing away a ton of games - and no I don't have practice partners that are way below my level in case I wanna have abit of fun with another race for a while. There is absolutely no reason why we can't have a ladder rank for each race and even less reason for you to be so rude about it. im only rude when absurd suggestions are made. having a ladder for eahc race is a horrible idea. Suck it up go out and play and stop being afraid. Losing is part of the game if u cant handle it then dont play btw u proved me right bout u being afraid to lose "why should i have to lose 40 times to have fun" go play customs with friends if u dont like it. LOSING is part of competitive SC2 ladder get used to it and stop QQing
Why exactly is having a unique rank for each race a bad idea? You didn't explain that part. It's kind of key to your whole...rant/argument/whatever. Would it take anything away from the game? Maybe it would, but you need to explain.
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Solution: stop caring about your ladder rank. People dont play starcraft enough as it is, people having 4 different ladder accounts is not going to help this.
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