maybe you should try calling the correct department, or directing your inquiry to the correct department rather than calling a low level employee in the wrong department who could give a shit about the problem.

R3DT1D3

285 Posts

February 26 2012 21:23 GMT

#22

For low levels, the difference in skill between your races is probably smaller than you think. The main time this problem is an issue is a Masters player of Race X who wants to switch to race Y. Below masters, the difference in skill can be made up fairly quickly on a new race and shouldn't hurt your rating too much.

Blizzard doesn't even NEED to make three different ratings, they just need to give you X number of placement matches when you race switch and start from there.

EternaLLegacy

United States410 Posts

February 26 2012 21:33 GMT

#23

Ha, I just made a blog complaining about a different aspect of the same problem. You can read it here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=315788

I agree completely that the ladder system is designed without any intelligent decision making. Blizzard truly has their heads so far up their own asses that they can't see anything but the shit they produce. If they'd simply take two seconds to look at the community they'd have fixed up so much of this game that should've been taken care of in Beta.

CarlosOmse

Germany507 Posts

February 26 2012 21:37 GMT

#24

if we could just do several id'S from one account would be awesome but that would mean less sold copys just like u cant pülay cross server with one account what i also find extremly sad would love to try out NA but honestly im not gonna buy a 2nd version of sc2!

mtn

729 Posts

February 26 2012 21:42 GMT

#25

On February 27 2012 05:53 Zombo Joe wrote:
I agree, there's really no reason for why there isn't a separate laddering ranking for each race. I guess bnet 2.0 is so good we don't need it.

" The technology is not there yet. "

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

February 26 2012 21:42 GMT

#26

On February 27 2012 06:23 R3DT1D3 wrote:
For low levels, the difference in skill between your races is probably smaller than you think. The main time this problem is an issue is a Masters player of Race X who wants to switch to race Y. Below masters, the difference in skill can be made up fairly quickly on a new race and shouldn't hurt your rating too much.

Can't really agree with this.

Although since I've been in masters I can't really tell the difference between a silver and a platinum level player, the differences are still there.

esotericc

449 Posts

February 26 2012 21:45 GMT

#27

On February 27 2012 05:56 Spicy_Curry wrote:
the technology isnt there yet

Came here to post this, if people haven't realized yet I will make this extremely clear. Blizzard just simply doesn't care what you want, they like having the model that if you want a separate ladder ranking you need to buy the game again. Blizzard has little to no interest in catering to communities needs in battlenet.

I usually wouldn't be so pessimistic on the matter but this has been talked to death in a billion threads. Blizzard just simply isn't going to do it.

K3Nyy

United States1961 Posts

February 26 2012 21:46 GMT

#28

If you want to race switch, I don't understand why you'd want to play vs worse people. Sure you might get that win vs a silver player with your offrace, but you'd learn more from losing to that plat player. Makes no sense why you'd have to tank your rating before learning a new race.

Otherwise, yeah I'd agree that it would be nice to have 3 separate ratings.

Treyus

38 Posts

February 26 2012 21:46 GMT

#29

Personally I think being put into a separate division per race would be a perfect solution. I recently wanted to try out the other two races and after about a day or two of experimentation (ie losing) when I switched back to my main race I was paired with people in a lower division than mine. Really does discourage getting a more in depth understanding of the game.

BUT Blizzard is a "for profit" company so it's not all that unreasonable to assume that they will not make any changes that would remove the chance for customers to buy more than one copy of the game.

Mr Showtime

United States1353 Posts

February 26 2012 21:49 GMT

#30

If there was a different place in the ranking system for each player playing each of the races, you'd suddenly have divisions full of players that aren't even playing as the race they are ranked as.

CluEleSs_UK

United Kingdom583 Posts

February 26 2012 21:50 GMT

#31

This is such a minor issue though? okay, so somebody on the ladder gets ONE free win; it's not going to affect their ranking much, and it's not like their MMR is going to put them in an unwinnable position for a long period of time. Also, as Liquid`Mule, he probably will learn more playing higher players than demoting himself to bronze and trying to work back up.

In season 3, I switched from Protoss (master) to Terran. I practised in custom games, and occasionally played on my a ladder account to highlight significant weaknesses in my play. After 2 weeks or so, I was once again at a master level, and was able to play on my account again.

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

February 26 2012 21:50 GMT

#32

heard about custom games to get accustomed to a race ? After playing one race over a longer period, i do some customs to get into the race again.
I personally didn't have issues on ladder with race switching. As your mmr falls at light speed or goes up at light speed if you lose win to often.

Allowing people to reset their ladder ranking means alot of roflstomping, so i prefer this setup denying this. But yeah if you want to get their attention one email every weak, if multiple people do it, they might discuss it. But the result will be, allowing any resets in the ladder rank would hurt the lower leagues as high masters would plow through them regularly. But you could point out the issue that people leave games instantly to get back into bronze, which is also an issue.

But even on masterlevel i had no problem doing a cold switch back to all 3 (not random)races after i played zerg for a longer period for study reason. Winrate went down to 40 for around 10 games.

So just try it, playing against better people helps your play with a new race. Coming back should also be no issue as you can slowly get back into the race, playing against weaker opponents.

grs

Germany2339 Posts

February 26 2012 21:50 GMT

#33

There is not really a reason to get different ranks with different races. The good solution would be to let people just make another account (like we had that in an older game which is popular on this site too).

Deleuze

United Kingdom2102 Posts

February 26 2012 21:50 GMT

#34

Er, isn't this a rather old discussion?

There's nothing here that I haven't heard loads of times before.

Le BucheRON

Canada619 Posts

February 26 2012 21:50 GMT

#35

This has been brought up a few times since the beta, I think the reason they haven't put it in is just to sell a few more copies to people who don't want to F around with loosing and gaining ladder rank before productive off-race practice can begin.

Snettik

Finland186 Posts

February 26 2012 21:51 GMT

#36

On February 27 2012 06:14 Scisyhp wrote:

Show nested quote +

So what should the system do? Leave you in a league above your level to avoid 'punishing' you? No, of course not, that's silly. The system demotes you....because it is placing you in the proper league for your skill level. You said it yourself, "...but your skill has dropped leagues..." Not sure the problem you see here.

I mean that the ladder system should encourage activity and punish heavily for inactivity. For example your league placement will reset if you have played less than 60 games on the season so people would automatically get to the league they deserve be in which also means that if they practise hard they will be rewarded with a promote (although it might be a promote to a lower league he originally was in, but I still think that would feel more rewarding than getting demoted for practising).

esotericc

449 Posts

February 26 2012 21:51 GMT

#37

On February 27 2012 06:49 Mr Showtime wrote:
If there was a different place in the ranking system for each player playing each of the races, you'd suddenly have divisions full of players that aren't even playing as the race they are ranked as.

Oh no the arbitrary divisions, seriously who cares? The pros of separate rankings far outweigh the cons.

The real solution is allowing more than one account on the same license but that is a pipe dream.

-vVvTitan-

United States473 Posts

February 26 2012 21:52 GMT

#38

Makes me miss WC3's Bnet.

Thylacine

Sweden882 Posts

February 26 2012 21:53 GMT

#39

the technology isnt there yet

or blizzard are lazy as usually. good point you bring up, 1+

Battousai13

United States638 Posts

February 26 2012 22:00 GMT

#40

As someone that started as Protoss and switched to Random, this wasn't an issue for me. I just played some team games to acclimate to the two other races, until I was comfortable with the race-specific mechanics. After that, it was just learning solid openings, basic build orders, and timings.

The mechanics you build transfer over from race to race. I was diamond (pre-Masters era) when I made the switch to Random, and I wasn't flailing to learn Zerg and Terran. When I finally learned the other two races, it actually helped improve my overall game by a large margin. Zerg improved my macro with the other two races. Terran improved my micro and unit control, overall.