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emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
February 26 2012 22:03 GMT
#41
well if you are like me then your NA SC2 when logging in says SC2-I and SC2-II. They should expand this by giving us a SC2-III as well and actually making this a functional option for people to play different races. 1 account, and you get 3 different ladder profiles, I don't see how it could be that difficult. Also since it's 1 account there isn't a risk of sharing an account among free loaders since only 1 can be logged in at a time.

But this has been discussed to death, probably a reason why you got a warning (OP), use the search function next time.
Lunchador
Profile Joined April 2010
United States776 Posts
February 26 2012 22:03 GMT
#42
In all honesty, it just makes smurfing wayyyyy too easy, and Blizzard doesn't want that. I bet most people won't even play offraces to "get good" at them and subtly tank them to bronze levels where they can pick on the genuine nublets of the game.

I mean, hell I would totally do something like that.
Defender of truth, justice, and noontime meals!
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
February 26 2012 22:05 GMT
#43
Indeed, i plan on switching from Protoss to Random when i get back into starcraft this summer, my current ranking is a diamond so i expect to get heavily demoted into like platinum or something lol.

It would be nice to have a separate no rank ladder, of course someone could say "Play Customs" but in all honesty those games a a complete coin flip. I don't know what to expect haha
Plays against every MU with nexus first.
Fealthas
Profile Joined May 2011
607 Posts
February 26 2012 22:09 GMT
#44
On February 27 2012 05:56 Spicy_Curry wrote:
the technology isnt there yet

Why do I hear this everywhere now? Is it something a pro said or something?
Insomni7
Profile Joined June 2011
667 Posts
February 26 2012 22:11 GMT
#45
Its so easy blizzard. Please do this. It would really encourage me to play the other races and I think it would help everyone increase their skill in the offrace. This would add so much to the game and sounds so easy to impliment.
Never Forget.
Insomni7
Profile Joined June 2011
667 Posts
February 26 2012 22:12 GMT
#46
On February 27 2012 07:03 Lunchador wrote:
In all honesty, it just makes smurfing wayyyyy too easy, and Blizzard doesn't want that. I bet most people won't even play offraces to "get good" at them and subtly tank them to bronze levels where they can pick on the genuine nublets of the game.

I mean, hell I would totally do something like that.

er.... why?
Never Forget.
Andypk
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland512 Posts
February 26 2012 22:12 GMT
#47
On February 27 2012 07:09 Fealthas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 05:56 Spicy_Curry wrote:
the technology isnt there yet

Why do I hear this everywhere now? Is it something a pro said or something?

Totalbiscuit said it about LAN mockingly when someone got dropped from a game at ASUS ROG.
Maxd11
Profile Joined July 2011
United States680 Posts
February 26 2012 22:16 GMT
#48
If blizz gave us separate ladder rankings for each race it would cause way too much smurfing and it would mess with the race balance and ladder rankings too much. It's pretty obvious if you just think about it. It would be awesome for an individual to have this but applied to the millions of starcraft players it would cause a virtual collapse of accurate statistics and rankings at every level of play. I know the OP won't read this thread since he also posted on the official forums but if he did my best advice would be to do custom games with friends/practice partners. It's not that hard finding people of the same skill level that want to give you an honest game.
I looked in the mirror and saw biupilm69t
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
February 26 2012 22:22 GMT
#49
If you are making the choice to play worse at this game, then you are making the choice to lose a lot until you reach an accurate ranking. Blizzard has nothing to do with how good you happen to be at points in time. Creating 4 times as many ranking profiles for each player is an absurd solution.

I switched to random, I lost a bunch. It wasn't a big deal. If losing really bothers you that much, then do something stupid like 6pool a bunch of games to lose without getting your ego hurt.
Mutown
Profile Joined February 2012
United States13 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 22:41:09
February 26 2012 22:26 GMT
#50
On February 27 2012 07:16 Maxd11 wrote:
If blizz gave us separate ladder rankings for each race it would cause way too much smurfing and it would mess with the race balance and ladder rankings too much. It's pretty obvious if you just think about it. It would be awesome for an individual to have this but applied to the millions of starcraft players it would cause a virtual collapse of accurate statistics and rankings at every level of play. I know the OP won't read this thread since he also posted on the official forums but if he did my best advice would be to do custom games with friends/practice partners. It's not that hard finding people of the same skill level that want to give you an honest game.


I am reading the thread and I discussed some of your suggestions about custom games/practice partners here.

I don't know why smurfing would necessarily be a bigger problem. After a few placement matches, someone performing at a higher level would quickly move up. If he wants to be bronze forever, he'd at least be forced to lose a lot of games too. In any case, I'm sure the smart guys here and at Blizzard can find a way to balance smurfing with a more flexible system.

I actually think it would be more accurate. If someone's a Diamond Terran and Gold as Toss with an equal split, he'd probably be Platinum and the matchmaking would be unbalanced. Plus, he'd get an overall ranking that isn't representative because there isn't enough detail to clearly track progress. Besides, when someone race switches and is at a much lower level, it inflates his opponent's ratings. Another distortion of the ranking system comes from people dropping like 50 games on purpose so that they can try a new race from the bottom up. Maybe doing that is extreme. However, if your opponent's are too good, you'll be so outclassed that you'll barely be able to learn the fundamentals (see my tennis analogy).
TheRealPaciFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1049 Posts
February 26 2012 22:29 GMT
#51
On February 27 2012 05:58 dAPhREAk wrote:
not enough competitive people switch races for such a ladder ranking system to be necessary.


Disagree entirely. There's no reason NOT to have separate ranking for separate races, because who on earth thought that everyone would have equal skill at every race?

--

I also don't see why people are saying it would make smurfing
Second favorite strategy game of all time: Starcraft. First: Go (aka Wei Qi, Paduk, or Igo)
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
February 26 2012 22:30 GMT
#52
lol really? man people need to stop crying "wah my % for my race isn't matching up with my other races" quit crying. Tired of people making threads like this. You should be lucky if you switch races that u lose a lot u should be grateful to be able to see ur flaws in ur new race. If you aren't playing professionally in top tier tournaments u shouldnt care about winning or losing if u learn from ur games u r losing. So stop QQing and making threads bout ur low self esteem cuz u dont wanna lose with a new race and go back on the ladder and hit the search game button.
JD, need I say more? :D
spancho
Profile Joined September 2009
United States161 Posts
February 26 2012 22:40 GMT
#53
This is one of those issues that has been plaguing Bnet since beta, and its NEVER going to get solved, for the simple reason that once you've bought the game blizzard really doesnt care about you actually having fun, you know, playing a GAME. The bnet UI and general design is so terrible that there is no way it got that bad on accident. Im pretty sure that dustin browder got rick trolled by a member of teamliquid one to many times and was like, "those nerds are gonna PAY!" And thusly battle.net 2.0 was born.

If you want to know why blizzard hates you and everything you love, just read this article


tl;dr All gamers are dirty pirates who must be punished.
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Digitalis
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1043 Posts
February 26 2012 22:43 GMT
#54
I agree i had to deal with the same shit when i race switched to zerg from toss
Lowell
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany346 Posts
February 26 2012 22:44 GMT
#55
On February 27 2012 07:30 BloodThirsty wrote:
lol really? man people need to stop crying "wah my % for my race isn't matching up with my other races" quit crying. Tired of people making threads like this. You should be lucky if you switch races that u lose a lot u should be grateful to be able to see ur flaws in ur new race. If you aren't playing professionally in top tier tournaments u shouldnt care about winning or losing if u learn from ur games u r losing. So stop QQing and making threads bout ur low self esteem cuz u dont wanna lose with a new race and go back on the ladder and hit the search game button.


This post is so fucking stupid. Its not about people crying about their percentages or a few losses its about the different level of play for different levels. With the current system youre not really able to offrace without a second account, unless your offrace is nearly as good as your main race. It has nothing to do with self esteem, its about being matched with opponents of the same level, even if you choose to play another race. I switched races 2 times with this system. Starcraft 2 would be a better experience, when i could just casually play my offrace every now and then.
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
February 26 2012 22:47 GMT
#56
On February 27 2012 05:55 Zennith wrote:
Eh, I don't see the problem with a single ladder. Your overall skill is your overall skill, and if you want to race switch, why not practice with it in customs before you ladder with it?

Because there's no way you'll be matched with players relatively even to your skill level in customs.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
tskarzyn
Profile Joined July 2010
United States516 Posts
February 26 2012 22:48 GMT
#57
Easy fix... different ladder ranking for every race. There is no limit to how many rankings someone can have in team so I really don't see the issue with 1v1.
FindMuck
Profile Joined June 2011
63 Posts
February 26 2012 22:48 GMT
#58
Just imagine how fun it would be to say

I wanan play X race today.

and then ur against silver opponents right away.

Then you go, i wanna play Y race now , i miss you main race T___T

then ur back to masters
Ballack
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway821 Posts
February 26 2012 22:49 GMT
#59
If you are at all serious about your ladder ranking, as many are, the system literally works against you to have fun with the other races. It's not a huge issue though, since you can practice in team games or customs. Would be very fun to have a ladder for each race though so you could switch as much and as often as possible.
Just when I thought I was out, Blizz pulled me back in..
Antares_
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland269 Posts
February 26 2012 22:50 GMT
#60
It would actually be a good idea. In team games you have other rankings for every team you play in and random. Why not make the same trick in 1v1?
If you make no mistake, yet still lose - you don't understand the game. Spiral out, keep going.
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