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On February 26 2012 23:52 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 22:42 CoR wrote:
in order of impression beginnin with the best one
Stephano (Assembly)
Huk (MLG)
Naniwa (MLG)
Polt (Assembly)
Demuslim (MLG)
Violet (all last tournaments)
Ret (MLG and others)
I like your picks but I'm confused as to how you could have a better impression of Stephano than Polt from Assembly when Polt not only beat Stephano 4-1, he had a much more difficult path to the finals?
How is Huk above Naniwa.
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On February 27 2012 00:18 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 00:13 Dodgin wrote:On February 26 2012 23:42 SiroKO wrote:On February 26 2012 20:21 JustPassingBy wrote:Spoiler: discussion might contain recent tournament results!Hi TL, I wanted to start a discussion about who are the hottest candidates for the code S seeds in the next GSL season. A discussion about possible benefits and drawbacks, as well as alternatives of the said seeding system should go here: link(note that the thread is misinformed though, because Koreans are also eligible for the seeds, see below.) Who is eligible for the code S seeds and on what criteria are they handed out?We have introduced our new format for the 2012 GSL Tour a while ago, which includes changes to the way international seeds are being given out. [...] In 2012 the GSL will have 2 Code S sponsor seeds. These seeds will be determined by outstanding results in international tournaments. Source: GOMTVFor your reminder, here are all the premier tournament (as of Liquipedia) that happened recently or are happening right now: MLG Winter Arena, Assembly Winter, IEM Sao Paolo, IEM Kiev, HomeStory CupSo who do you think is the hottest candidate for a code S seed and why? Personally, I'm torn between either the two top non-code S finishers from MLG Winter Arena, or the top non-code S finisher from MLG Winter and the top non-code S finisher from Assembly. If the two non-code S players in MLG Winter manage to finish top 3, I'd say give them the seeds. Otherwise, I'd also be okay to give one to Polt who, even if the player pool of Assembly wasn't nearly as stacked as MLG, is the reining champion of Assembly. No one except Stephano. Simple as that. Their success is more due to their foreign tournament experience (ability to deal with jetlag, pressure, different conditions than in GSL...) than a sudden and dramatic increase of skill. " No one except Stephano " *Sees user is from France* I don't usually make posts like this but I just cannot believe how biased you are, it's sickening. Polt beat him in the finals 4-1 but he does not deserve a seed " because he deals with jetlag and pressure well, and the conditions are different than in the GSL. " ( Which he WON a championship in ) Fanboy logic is just stunning sometimes. Sorry, one of my premise was : * assuming that no-seeds will be given to any Korean*. That is changed, its just based in international results now
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On February 27 2012 00:18 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 00:13 Dodgin wrote:On February 26 2012 23:42 SiroKO wrote:On February 26 2012 20:21 JustPassingBy wrote:Spoiler: discussion might contain recent tournament results!Hi TL, I wanted to start a discussion about who are the hottest candidates for the code S seeds in the next GSL season. A discussion about possible benefits and drawbacks, as well as alternatives of the said seeding system should go here: link(note that the thread is misinformed though, because Koreans are also eligible for the seeds, see below.) Who is eligible for the code S seeds and on what criteria are they handed out?We have introduced our new format for the 2012 GSL Tour a while ago, which includes changes to the way international seeds are being given out. [...] In 2012 the GSL will have 2 Code S sponsor seeds. These seeds will be determined by outstanding results in international tournaments. Source: GOMTVFor your reminder, here are all the premier tournament (as of Liquipedia) that happened recently or are happening right now: MLG Winter Arena, Assembly Winter, IEM Sao Paolo, IEM Kiev, HomeStory CupSo who do you think is the hottest candidate for a code S seed and why? Personally, I'm torn between either the two top non-code S finishers from MLG Winter Arena, or the top non-code S finisher from MLG Winter and the top non-code S finisher from Assembly. If the two non-code S players in MLG Winter manage to finish top 3, I'd say give them the seeds. Otherwise, I'd also be okay to give one to Polt who, even if the player pool of Assembly wasn't nearly as stacked as MLG, is the reining champion of Assembly. No one except Stephano. Simple as that. Their success is more due to their foreign tournament experience (ability to deal with jetlag, pressure, different conditions than in GSL...) than a sudden and dramatic increase of skill. " No one except Stephano " *Sees user is from France* I don't usually make posts like this but I just cannot believe how biased you are, it's sickening. Polt beat him in the finals 4-1 but he does not deserve a seed " because he deals with jetlag and pressure well, and the conditions are different than in the GSL. " ( Which he WON a championship in ) Fanboy logic is just stunning sometimes. Sorry, one of my premise was : * assuming that no-seeds will be given to any Korean*.
[I know I'll regret getting into this but...] Even by excluding Koreans you are in trouble. Naniwa and Huk have much bigger tournament wins than Stephano, and they have consistently beaten Code S players in BoX in elimination rounds. Hell, even Idra in his slump has a better claim to the seed thanks to consistent big MLG wins against good players, even if I would not advocate for anyone to give him a seed at the moment. So an argument that no-one else deserves a seed is still bigoted, objectively false and quite literally sickening.
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On February 27 2012 00:21 how2TL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 23:52 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 26 2012 22:42 CoR wrote:
in order of impression beginnin with the best one
Stephano (Assembly)
Huk (MLG)
Naniwa (MLG)
Polt (Assembly)
Demuslim (MLG)
Violet (all last tournaments)
Ret (MLG and others)
I like your picks but I'm confused as to how you could have a better impression of Stephano than Polt from Assembly when Polt not only beat Stephano 4-1, he had a much more difficult path to the finals? How is Huk above Naniwa.
Well, the only way to put Huk above Naniwa is to make the argument that Naniwa hasn't played that many matches recently, there's a lot of games against Nestea and he only won one invitational in this time. At the same time Huk did recently win MLG Orlando on top of his previous accomplishments. But I guess this guy meant that Huk is doing much better than Naniwa in the winter arena.
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Polt deserves one for sure. His results at ROG were impressive, but seeing him play was even more. He's so much better than like 80% of the current code S terrans it's not even funny.
The other one is more difficult, but all things considered, I'd give it to Naniwa for his great run at MLG Arena and for the code S seed he was robbed of after his runner-up finish at Providence. He deserves a shot at code S and it would kinda compensate for gom's mistake towards him.
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Violet, Stephano, Polt (maybe Puma just for consistency?) and if HuK can get top4 at MLG, then him too, all are worthy shouts for the seed. I wonder whether GOM will value Assembly as much as MLG, even though Polt's run was absolutely incredible (Taeja, Hero, Lucky, Stephano), as good, if not better that a couple of the MLG runs.
EDIT: It looks like HuK has already managed top 4, then he definitely would have a good case for the Code S seed.
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Polt didn't just win Assembly Winter, he looked incredible doing it.
I think Polt really deserves a Code S seed.
Other than him, I think the winner or runner up of MLG Winter Arena should be considered as well, assuming they aren't already Code S. If MLG Winter Championship occurs before GSL 2012 Season 2, then I'd say pick that winner instead of the Winter Arena winner.
GOM will want a foreigner, but ideally one that won't just get thrashed into Code B immediately like Idra. Huk is basically guaranteed the Code S seed if he wins MLG since he's been the strongest foreigner in GSL in recent times and is living in Korea already.
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I would say Polt and Naniwa, although I fear that Naniwa will just be cheesed out of the tournament (and rightfully so if he doesn't adapt his early game strategies). Polt had an amazing run at Assembly and Naniwa was much more impressive than Huk or any other foreigner so far.
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On February 27 2012 00:22 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 00:18 SiroKO wrote:On February 27 2012 00:13 Dodgin wrote:On February 26 2012 23:42 SiroKO wrote:On February 26 2012 20:21 JustPassingBy wrote:Spoiler: discussion might contain recent tournament results!Hi TL, I wanted to start a discussion about who are the hottest candidates for the code S seeds in the next GSL season. A discussion about possible benefits and drawbacks, as well as alternatives of the said seeding system should go here: link(note that the thread is misinformed though, because Koreans are also eligible for the seeds, see below.) Who is eligible for the code S seeds and on what criteria are they handed out?We have introduced our new format for the 2012 GSL Tour a while ago, which includes changes to the way international seeds are being given out. [...] In 2012 the GSL will have 2 Code S sponsor seeds. These seeds will be determined by outstanding results in international tournaments. Source: GOMTVFor your reminder, here are all the premier tournament (as of Liquipedia) that happened recently or are happening right now: MLG Winter Arena, Assembly Winter, IEM Sao Paolo, IEM Kiev, HomeStory CupSo who do you think is the hottest candidate for a code S seed and why? Personally, I'm torn between either the two top non-code S finishers from MLG Winter Arena, or the top non-code S finisher from MLG Winter and the top non-code S finisher from Assembly. If the two non-code S players in MLG Winter manage to finish top 3, I'd say give them the seeds. Otherwise, I'd also be okay to give one to Polt who, even if the player pool of Assembly wasn't nearly as stacked as MLG, is the reining champion of Assembly. No one except Stephano. Simple as that. Their success is more due to their foreign tournament experience (ability to deal with jetlag, pressure, different conditions than in GSL...) than a sudden and dramatic increase of skill. " No one except Stephano " *Sees user is from France* I don't usually make posts like this but I just cannot believe how biased you are, it's sickening. Polt beat him in the finals 4-1 but he does not deserve a seed " because he deals with jetlag and pressure well, and the conditions are different than in the GSL. " ( Which he WON a championship in ) Fanboy logic is just stunning sometimes. Sorry, one of my premise was : * assuming that no-seeds will be given to any Korean*. [I know I'll regret getting into this but...] Even by excluding Koreans you are in trouble. Naniwa and Huk have much bigger tournament wins than Stephano, and they have consistently beaten Code S players in BoX in elimination rounds. Hell, even Idra in his slump has a better claim to the seed thanks to consistent big MLG wins against good players, even if I would not advocate for anyone to give him a seed at the moment. So an argument that no-one else deserves a seed is still bigoted, objectively false and quite literally sickening.
This is an awful post...Naniwa won't get the seed, especially after what he did in Blizzard Cup.Besides, how is his tournament win bigger than Stephano's? His only noticeable feat was MLG providence but he didn't even win it...
Huk is obviously a good contender but he's been pretty inconsistent recently.
And yeah comparing Idra who lost pretty much every game he played recently to Stephano is really smart....
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I would vote for goody (just for his opening versus zerg), but yeah they will probably take atleast one foreigner again. Or a korean in a foreign team. I mean an EG player means alot of viewers as an example.
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On February 27 2012 00:41 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 00:22 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 27 2012 00:18 SiroKO wrote:On February 27 2012 00:13 Dodgin wrote:On February 26 2012 23:42 SiroKO wrote:On February 26 2012 20:21 JustPassingBy wrote:Spoiler: discussion might contain recent tournament results!Hi TL, I wanted to start a discussion about who are the hottest candidates for the code S seeds in the next GSL season. A discussion about possible benefits and drawbacks, as well as alternatives of the said seeding system should go here: link(note that the thread is misinformed though, because Koreans are also eligible for the seeds, see below.) Who is eligible for the code S seeds and on what criteria are they handed out?We have introduced our new format for the 2012 GSL Tour a while ago, which includes changes to the way international seeds are being given out. [...] In 2012 the GSL will have 2 Code S sponsor seeds. These seeds will be determined by outstanding results in international tournaments. Source: GOMTVFor your reminder, here are all the premier tournament (as of Liquipedia) that happened recently or are happening right now: MLG Winter Arena, Assembly Winter, IEM Sao Paolo, IEM Kiev, HomeStory CupSo who do you think is the hottest candidate for a code S seed and why? Personally, I'm torn between either the two top non-code S finishers from MLG Winter Arena, or the top non-code S finisher from MLG Winter and the top non-code S finisher from Assembly. If the two non-code S players in MLG Winter manage to finish top 3, I'd say give them the seeds. Otherwise, I'd also be okay to give one to Polt who, even if the player pool of Assembly wasn't nearly as stacked as MLG, is the reining champion of Assembly. No one except Stephano. Simple as that. Their success is more due to their foreign tournament experience (ability to deal with jetlag, pressure, different conditions than in GSL...) than a sudden and dramatic increase of skill. " No one except Stephano " *Sees user is from France* I don't usually make posts like this but I just cannot believe how biased you are, it's sickening. Polt beat him in the finals 4-1 but he does not deserve a seed " because he deals with jetlag and pressure well, and the conditions are different than in the GSL. " ( Which he WON a championship in ) Fanboy logic is just stunning sometimes. Sorry, one of my premise was : * assuming that no-seeds will be given to any Korean*. [I know I'll regret getting into this but...] Even by excluding Koreans you are in trouble. Naniwa and Huk have much bigger tournament wins than Stephano, and they have consistently beaten Code S players in BoX in elimination rounds. Hell, even Idra in his slump has a better claim to the seed thanks to consistent big MLG wins against good players, even if I would not advocate for anyone to give him a seed at the moment. So an argument that no-one else deserves a seed is still bigoted, objectively false and quite literally sickening. This is an awful post...Naniwa won't get the seed, especially after what he did in Blizzard Cup.Besides, how is his tournament win bigger than Stephano's? Huk is obviously a good contender but he's been pretty inconsistent recently. And yeah comparing Idra who lost pretty much every game he played recently to Stephano is really smart....
Naniwa's MLG run has already been more impressive than Stephano's Assembly run, even if he didn't get as far, just based on the players he beat. Stephano had a very easy bracket, advanced entirely based on one matchup, beat a code b terran and then fell 1-4 to Polt. Naniwa beat Nestea and Leenock in bo3, I think that alone is more impressive.
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On February 27 2012 00:18 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 00:13 Dodgin wrote:On February 26 2012 23:42 SiroKO wrote:On February 26 2012 20:21 JustPassingBy wrote:Spoiler: discussion might contain recent tournament results!Hi TL, I wanted to start a discussion about who are the hottest candidates for the code S seeds in the next GSL season. A discussion about possible benefits and drawbacks, as well as alternatives of the said seeding system should go here: link(note that the thread is misinformed though, because Koreans are also eligible for the seeds, see below.) Who is eligible for the code S seeds and on what criteria are they handed out?We have introduced our new format for the 2012 GSL Tour a while ago, which includes changes to the way international seeds are being given out. [...] In 2012 the GSL will have 2 Code S sponsor seeds. These seeds will be determined by outstanding results in international tournaments. Source: GOMTVFor your reminder, here are all the premier tournament (as of Liquipedia) that happened recently or are happening right now: MLG Winter Arena, Assembly Winter, IEM Sao Paolo, IEM Kiev, HomeStory CupSo who do you think is the hottest candidate for a code S seed and why? Personally, I'm torn between either the two top non-code S finishers from MLG Winter Arena, or the top non-code S finisher from MLG Winter and the top non-code S finisher from Assembly. If the two non-code S players in MLG Winter manage to finish top 3, I'd say give them the seeds. Otherwise, I'd also be okay to give one to Polt who, even if the player pool of Assembly wasn't nearly as stacked as MLG, is the reining champion of Assembly. No one except Stephano. Simple as that. Their success is more due to their foreign tournament experience (ability to deal with jetlag, pressure, different conditions than in GSL...) than a sudden and dramatic increase of skill. " No one except Stephano " *Sees user is from France* I don't usually make posts like this but I just cannot believe how biased you are, it's sickening. Polt beat him in the finals 4-1 but he does not deserve a seed " because he deals with jetlag and pressure well, and the conditions are different than in the GSL. " ( Which he WON a championship in ) Fanboy logic is just stunning sometimes. Sorry, one of my premise was : * assuming that no-seeds will be given to any Korean*.
Okay then your post makes more sense, I apologize for over-reacting.
I agree Stephano is the only foreigner that would put up a fight in Code S atm.
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Polt gets my vote!!! Someone worth of playing in Code S actually, 2nd one not sure who should get it.
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On February 27 2012 00:45 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 00:41 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On February 27 2012 00:22 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 27 2012 00:18 SiroKO wrote:On February 27 2012 00:13 Dodgin wrote:On February 26 2012 23:42 SiroKO wrote:On February 26 2012 20:21 JustPassingBy wrote:Spoiler: discussion might contain recent tournament results!Hi TL, I wanted to start a discussion about who are the hottest candidates for the code S seeds in the next GSL season. A discussion about possible benefits and drawbacks, as well as alternatives of the said seeding system should go here: link(note that the thread is misinformed though, because Koreans are also eligible for the seeds, see below.) Who is eligible for the code S seeds and on what criteria are they handed out?We have introduced our new format for the 2012 GSL Tour a while ago, which includes changes to the way international seeds are being given out. [...] In 2012 the GSL will have 2 Code S sponsor seeds. These seeds will be determined by outstanding results in international tournaments. Source: GOMTVFor your reminder, here are all the premier tournament (as of Liquipedia) that happened recently or are happening right now: MLG Winter Arena, Assembly Winter, IEM Sao Paolo, IEM Kiev, HomeStory CupSo who do you think is the hottest candidate for a code S seed and why? Personally, I'm torn between either the two top non-code S finishers from MLG Winter Arena, or the top non-code S finisher from MLG Winter and the top non-code S finisher from Assembly. If the two non-code S players in MLG Winter manage to finish top 3, I'd say give them the seeds. Otherwise, I'd also be okay to give one to Polt who, even if the player pool of Assembly wasn't nearly as stacked as MLG, is the reining champion of Assembly. No one except Stephano. Simple as that. Their success is more due to their foreign tournament experience (ability to deal with jetlag, pressure, different conditions than in GSL...) than a sudden and dramatic increase of skill. " No one except Stephano " *Sees user is from France* I don't usually make posts like this but I just cannot believe how biased you are, it's sickening. Polt beat him in the finals 4-1 but he does not deserve a seed " because he deals with jetlag and pressure well, and the conditions are different than in the GSL. " ( Which he WON a championship in ) Fanboy logic is just stunning sometimes. Sorry, one of my premise was : * assuming that no-seeds will be given to any Korean*. [I know I'll regret getting into this but...] Even by excluding Koreans you are in trouble. Naniwa and Huk have much bigger tournament wins than Stephano, and they have consistently beaten Code S players in BoX in elimination rounds. Hell, even Idra in his slump has a better claim to the seed thanks to consistent big MLG wins against good players, even if I would not advocate for anyone to give him a seed at the moment. So an argument that no-one else deserves a seed is still bigoted, objectively false and quite literally sickening. This is an awful post...Naniwa won't get the seed, especially after what he did in Blizzard Cup.Besides, how is his tournament win bigger than Stephano's? Huk is obviously a good contender but he's been pretty inconsistent recently. And yeah comparing Idra who lost pretty much every game he played recently to Stephano is really smart.... Naniwa's MLG run has already been more impressive than Stephano's Assembly run, even if he didn't get as far, just based on the players he beat. Stephano had a very easy bracket, advanced entirely based on one matchup, beat a code b terran and then fell 1-4 to Polt. Naniwa beat Nestea and Leenock in bo3, I think that alone is more impressive.
Did you actually watch the game ? All relied on cheeses (either 1 base Zerg rush, 2 base Protoss all-in etc..).
Besides, Nestea is on a slump for quite a while now, thus his only impressive win was against Leenock.
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On February 27 2012 00:45 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 00:41 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On February 27 2012 00:22 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 27 2012 00:18 SiroKO wrote:On February 27 2012 00:13 Dodgin wrote:On February 26 2012 23:42 SiroKO wrote:On February 26 2012 20:21 JustPassingBy wrote:Spoiler: discussion might contain recent tournament results!Hi TL, I wanted to start a discussion about who are the hottest candidates for the code S seeds in the next GSL season. A discussion about possible benefits and drawbacks, as well as alternatives of the said seeding system should go here: link(note that the thread is misinformed though, because Koreans are also eligible for the seeds, see below.) Who is eligible for the code S seeds and on what criteria are they handed out?We have introduced our new format for the 2012 GSL Tour a while ago, which includes changes to the way international seeds are being given out. [...] In 2012 the GSL will have 2 Code S sponsor seeds. These seeds will be determined by outstanding results in international tournaments. Source: GOMTVFor your reminder, here are all the premier tournament (as of Liquipedia) that happened recently or are happening right now: MLG Winter Arena, Assembly Winter, IEM Sao Paolo, IEM Kiev, HomeStory CupSo who do you think is the hottest candidate for a code S seed and why? Personally, I'm torn between either the two top non-code S finishers from MLG Winter Arena, or the top non-code S finisher from MLG Winter and the top non-code S finisher from Assembly. If the two non-code S players in MLG Winter manage to finish top 3, I'd say give them the seeds. Otherwise, I'd also be okay to give one to Polt who, even if the player pool of Assembly wasn't nearly as stacked as MLG, is the reining champion of Assembly. No one except Stephano. Simple as that. Their success is more due to their foreign tournament experience (ability to deal with jetlag, pressure, different conditions than in GSL...) than a sudden and dramatic increase of skill. " No one except Stephano " *Sees user is from France* I don't usually make posts like this but I just cannot believe how biased you are, it's sickening. Polt beat him in the finals 4-1 but he does not deserve a seed " because he deals with jetlag and pressure well, and the conditions are different than in the GSL. " ( Which he WON a championship in ) Fanboy logic is just stunning sometimes. Sorry, one of my premise was : * assuming that no-seeds will be given to any Korean*. [I know I'll regret getting into this but...] Even by excluding Koreans you are in trouble. Naniwa and Huk have much bigger tournament wins than Stephano, and they have consistently beaten Code S players in BoX in elimination rounds. Hell, even Idra in his slump has a better claim to the seed thanks to consistent big MLG wins against good players, even if I would not advocate for anyone to give him a seed at the moment. So an argument that no-one else deserves a seed is still bigoted, objectively false and quite literally sickening. This is an awful post...Naniwa won't get the seed, especially after what he did in Blizzard Cup.Besides, how is his tournament win bigger than Stephano's? Huk is obviously a good contender but he's been pretty inconsistent recently. And yeah comparing Idra who lost pretty much every game he played recently to Stephano is really smart.... Naniwa's MLG run has already been more impressive than Stephano's Assembly run, even if he didn't get as far, just based on the players he beat. Stephano had a very easy bracket, advanced entirely based on one matchup, beat a code b terran and then fell 1-4 to Polt. Naniwa beat Nestea and Leenock in bo3, I think that alone is more impressive.
Yeah, and he was 0-4 in Blizzard cup and never won a single GSL match so far...And it's not Stephano's fault that his bracket was easier...Nestea lost to Demuslim in the winner bracket, guess he is more impressive than Stephano...
Oh and Naniwa fell to a 6 pool, which is less than code b material/facepalm
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On February 27 2012 00:48 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 00:45 zefreak wrote:On February 27 2012 00:41 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On February 27 2012 00:22 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 27 2012 00:18 SiroKO wrote:On February 27 2012 00:13 Dodgin wrote:On February 26 2012 23:42 SiroKO wrote:On February 26 2012 20:21 JustPassingBy wrote:Spoiler: discussion might contain recent tournament results!Hi TL, I wanted to start a discussion about who are the hottest candidates for the code S seeds in the next GSL season. A discussion about possible benefits and drawbacks, as well as alternatives of the said seeding system should go here: link(note that the thread is misinformed though, because Koreans are also eligible for the seeds, see below.) Who is eligible for the code S seeds and on what criteria are they handed out?We have introduced our new format for the 2012 GSL Tour a while ago, which includes changes to the way international seeds are being given out. [...] In 2012 the GSL will have 2 Code S sponsor seeds. These seeds will be determined by outstanding results in international tournaments. Source: GOMTVFor your reminder, here are all the premier tournament (as of Liquipedia) that happened recently or are happening right now: MLG Winter Arena, Assembly Winter, IEM Sao Paolo, IEM Kiev, HomeStory CupSo who do you think is the hottest candidate for a code S seed and why? Personally, I'm torn between either the two top non-code S finishers from MLG Winter Arena, or the top non-code S finisher from MLG Winter and the top non-code S finisher from Assembly. If the two non-code S players in MLG Winter manage to finish top 3, I'd say give them the seeds. Otherwise, I'd also be okay to give one to Polt who, even if the player pool of Assembly wasn't nearly as stacked as MLG, is the reining champion of Assembly. No one except Stephano. Simple as that. Their success is more due to their foreign tournament experience (ability to deal with jetlag, pressure, different conditions than in GSL...) than a sudden and dramatic increase of skill. " No one except Stephano " *Sees user is from France* I don't usually make posts like this but I just cannot believe how biased you are, it's sickening. Polt beat him in the finals 4-1 but he does not deserve a seed " because he deals with jetlag and pressure well, and the conditions are different than in the GSL. " ( Which he WON a championship in ) Fanboy logic is just stunning sometimes. Sorry, one of my premise was : * assuming that no-seeds will be given to any Korean*. [I know I'll regret getting into this but...] Even by excluding Koreans you are in trouble. Naniwa and Huk have much bigger tournament wins than Stephano, and they have consistently beaten Code S players in BoX in elimination rounds. Hell, even Idra in his slump has a better claim to the seed thanks to consistent big MLG wins against good players, even if I would not advocate for anyone to give him a seed at the moment. So an argument that no-one else deserves a seed is still bigoted, objectively false and quite literally sickening. This is an awful post...Naniwa won't get the seed, especially after what he did in Blizzard Cup.Besides, how is his tournament win bigger than Stephano's? Huk is obviously a good contender but he's been pretty inconsistent recently. And yeah comparing Idra who lost pretty much every game he played recently to Stephano is really smart.... Naniwa's MLG run has already been more impressive than Stephano's Assembly run, even if he didn't get as far, just based on the players he beat. Stephano had a very easy bracket, advanced entirely based on one matchup, beat a code b terran and then fell 1-4 to Polt. Naniwa beat Nestea and Leenock in bo3, I think that alone is more impressive. Did you actually watch the game ? All relied on cheeses (either 1 base Zerg rush, 2 base Protoss all-in etc..). Besides, Nestea is on a slump for quite a while now, thus his only impressive win was against Leenock.
Yeah I watched all of the games, did you? Nestea played well, his slump is only relative to his recent domination, it doesn't make him a bad player. Even a slumping nestea is better than the bracket that Stephano went through in Assembly.. A slumping Nestea is still top 3 zerg IMO.
Besides, I would say Nestea's ZvP even slumping is better than Leenock. Leenock is known to not have the greatest ZvP, which is why he resorts to roach ling all-ins so often. Both of the wins were impressive even if it really came down to mindgames and not pure mechanics.
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On February 27 2012 00:49 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 00:45 zefreak wrote:On February 27 2012 00:41 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On February 27 2012 00:22 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 27 2012 00:18 SiroKO wrote:On February 27 2012 00:13 Dodgin wrote:On February 26 2012 23:42 SiroKO wrote:On February 26 2012 20:21 JustPassingBy wrote:Spoiler: discussion might contain recent tournament results!Hi TL, I wanted to start a discussion about who are the hottest candidates for the code S seeds in the next GSL season. A discussion about possible benefits and drawbacks, as well as alternatives of the said seeding system should go here: link(note that the thread is misinformed though, because Koreans are also eligible for the seeds, see below.) Who is eligible for the code S seeds and on what criteria are they handed out?We have introduced our new format for the 2012 GSL Tour a while ago, which includes changes to the way international seeds are being given out. [...] In 2012 the GSL will have 2 Code S sponsor seeds. These seeds will be determined by outstanding results in international tournaments. Source: GOMTVFor your reminder, here are all the premier tournament (as of Liquipedia) that happened recently or are happening right now: MLG Winter Arena, Assembly Winter, IEM Sao Paolo, IEM Kiev, HomeStory CupSo who do you think is the hottest candidate for a code S seed and why? Personally, I'm torn between either the two top non-code S finishers from MLG Winter Arena, or the top non-code S finisher from MLG Winter and the top non-code S finisher from Assembly. If the two non-code S players in MLG Winter manage to finish top 3, I'd say give them the seeds. Otherwise, I'd also be okay to give one to Polt who, even if the player pool of Assembly wasn't nearly as stacked as MLG, is the reining champion of Assembly. No one except Stephano. Simple as that. Their success is more due to their foreign tournament experience (ability to deal with jetlag, pressure, different conditions than in GSL...) than a sudden and dramatic increase of skill. " No one except Stephano " *Sees user is from France* I don't usually make posts like this but I just cannot believe how biased you are, it's sickening. Polt beat him in the finals 4-1 but he does not deserve a seed " because he deals with jetlag and pressure well, and the conditions are different than in the GSL. " ( Which he WON a championship in ) Fanboy logic is just stunning sometimes. Sorry, one of my premise was : * assuming that no-seeds will be given to any Korean*. [I know I'll regret getting into this but...] Even by excluding Koreans you are in trouble. Naniwa and Huk have much bigger tournament wins than Stephano, and they have consistently beaten Code S players in BoX in elimination rounds. Hell, even Idra in his slump has a better claim to the seed thanks to consistent big MLG wins against good players, even if I would not advocate for anyone to give him a seed at the moment. So an argument that no-one else deserves a seed is still bigoted, objectively false and quite literally sickening. This is an awful post...Naniwa won't get the seed, especially after what he did in Blizzard Cup.Besides, how is his tournament win bigger than Stephano's? Huk is obviously a good contender but he's been pretty inconsistent recently. And yeah comparing Idra who lost pretty much every game he played recently to Stephano is really smart.... Naniwa's MLG run has already been more impressive than Stephano's Assembly run, even if he didn't get as far, just based on the players he beat. Stephano had a very easy bracket, advanced entirely based on one matchup, beat a code b terran and then fell 1-4 to Polt. Naniwa beat Nestea and Leenock in bo3, I think that alone is more impressive. Yeah, and he was 0-4 in Blizzard cup and never won a single GSL match so far...And it's not Stephano's fault that his bracket was easier...Nestea lost to Demuslim in the winner bracket, guess he is more impressive than Stephano... Oh and Naniwa fell to a 6 pool, which is less than code b material/facepalm
I get it, you are french and feel like you need to defend your hero, but Naniwa's recent performance (not his past performances) was more impressive. Stephano hasn't really had any great results besides taking easy wins in relatively soft tournaments.
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Polt deserves it based on his play at Assembly.
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As I said, I'm going to regret mentioning Stephano's name because one will be assaulted by French swarms.
Just to point a couple of, in my mind, reasonable premises for the Code S seed discussion. We should be looking at people's accomplishments. Major tournament wins, good runs, important BoX wins, that kind of stuff.
Things that I do not think make sense as criteria: losses - everyone loses in sc2, and one doesn't go and say that Mvp losing to July makes Mvp code B material, right? There's a reason why the golden mouse in BW goes to people that win 3 major tournaments, rather than to the player that avoids embarrassing losses.
Another thing that doesn't make sense is the manner of victory. Cheesing or losing to cheese is part of SC2 and not a reason to disqualify players from a tournament. It's definitely not a reason to deny major accomplishments.
If you want to argue for Stephano, lay out an actual argument. Take his history, and compare it to the history of other players. TLPD will help you immensely.
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