I would like to know what the community thinks about GomTV giving some foreigners direct seeds into Code S (or code A, or up&down). I personnally feel like it's a bad thing for the tournament, as it creates some kind of imbalance between those who fought hard to deserve their spot, and those who just had the chance not to be koreans. Furthermore, the consequence is that the foreigners just get raped pretty much every time, and the fact that they got auto seeding probably doesn't help their confidence going into a match against a qualified player.
On the other hand, I think Gom assumes that seeding foreigners will bring more foreign viewers. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't change anything, I just want to see the best players, regardless to their nationality.
So here's a poll. What do you think ?
Poll: What should GOM do about the foreigner seeds?
Give Code A seeds only (636)
50%
Stop seeding foreigners anyhow (366)
29%
Keep the Code S seeds (178)
14%
Give seeds into up&down (95)
7%
1275 total votes
Your vote: What should GOM do about the foreigner seeds?
(Vote): Keep the Code S seeds (Vote): Give Code A seeds only (Vote): Give seeds into up&down (Vote): Stop seeding foreigners anyhow
On February 01 2012 00:39 ShakkaFL wrote: well... its good for koreans, its almost a walkover for a lucky korean :p
He, kind of true, but there is also one unlucky korean (or foreigner, we have the right to dream) who could have qualified but doesn't because one more foreigner seed equals one less qualification spot
To my knowledge, not a single notable Korean progamer has complained about foreigners getting seeded into code A/S. In fact when asked about it most of them welcome international participation in the GSL. 2 spots out of 32 isn't that big a deal. The new GSL format means if a player doesn't deserve to be in code whatever he'll drop out quickly anyways.
At any rate Mr. Chae has already addressed this. GOM is running a business and foreign players bring in more views than the 31st and 32nd best Korean would. Just think of it as a small sacrifice for the greater good.
Many of the invited foreign players show poor games and are knocked out quickly. Taking this into consideration, aren't some of the Korean players or teams unhappy with the increased foreign seeds?
The teams and players have no qualms. If you think about it the other way, Korean players already receive a higher number of seeds, and better placed seeds as well in foreign tournaments. It's the same principle as how foreign players don't have any complaints about that (although, I guess there may be some discontent?).
If I can use the World Cup as an example, it might be easier to explain. If the World Cup went purely by FIFA rankings, Korea would never be able to play, and it would have become a tournament that only South America and Europe enjoyed.
We don't want GSL to only establish itself as a Korean national league. We want to offer an incentive for foreign players to come to Korea, if they should ever have the opportunity. I think if they use the opportunity to come here and take in Korean pro-gaming culture, then they can become stronger than they are now.
GSL wants to provide those kind of opportunities. Also, I think that we were relatively successful at that last year. Two years ago, could you have imagined so many foreign players working with Korean teams and coming to Korea?
The point of the seeds are to make GSL stand for what it does. It's global, not just for the koreans. GOM is giving seeds to let foreigners have a chance to play in the GSL, and if they're good enough, they will eventually stay and compete. Although I don't like the idea of Code S seeds, I feel they should be driven straight into the Up & Down as a sort of 'placement' match.
stop giving foreigners seeds. We are terrible. Just look at HuK and idrAs play today. wasn't even close to the Korean's they were playing ( to be fairt hough, Sen played reasonably well)
Having non-GSL tournaments that non-koreans can win in order to get GSL seeds is fine. However, the random seeding is not, nor is what they did with MLG, which is offering a seed, then changing the rules and withdrawing it.
The seeds themselves are the only way gom can make this truly global, it's already hard enough to have a foreigner stay in korea just for one league, giving him a seed makes it a lot easier... But I do agree that they shouldn't give out code s seeds, up/downs and code a seeds are fine.
Everyone should have a fair shot at getting into the GSL. I don't care if you're Korean or not, I just wan't to see the best and hence I'm against seeds.
On February 01 2012 00:44 pStar wrote: stop giving foreigners seeds. We are terrible. + Show Spoiler +
Just look at HuK and idrAs play today. wasn't even close to the Korean's they were playing ( to be fairt hough, Sen played reasonably well)
May seem harsh, but just my opinion.
Hey dipshit, you might want to spoiler that so my day was the only one you've ruined so far..... (Edit: Spoilered my qoute, in case he changes it - so u cant read it in the quote. Edit2: PMed him too)
Anyway i dont feel it is right to give away free entry to "the most competitive tournament in the world". I understand it for GOM and i LOVE seeing foreigners compete. But it breaks the principle of competition, so in the end im against it.
if you people really think that there wasnt more people today watching GSL, you are just dumb, just look at all the threads and the activity on the forums today
I just think it's wrong that the koreans who just barely didn't make it doesn't get a spot when some gets it for free. Imagine being a runner-up in the Code A qualifier / Just barely lost a Up-and-Down match. It's just plain unfair that they give out seeds like that :/
On February 01 2012 00:44 pStar wrote: stop giving foreigners seeds. We are terrible. + Show Spoiler +
Just look at HuK and idrAs play today. wasn't even close to the Korean's they were playing ( to be fairt hough, Sen played reasonably well)
May seem harsh, but just my opinion.
Hey dipshit, you might want to spoiler that so my day was the only one you've ruined so far..... (Spoilered my qoute, in case he changes it - so u cant read it in the quote)
Anyway i dont feel it is right to give away free entry to "the most competitive tournament in the world". I understand it for GOM and i LOVE seeing foreigners compete. But it breaks the principle of competition, so in the end im against it.
if you want to be spoiled dont go to a news site
ontopic: I think the code S seeds are fine as it is, as it attract also the foreign scene a lot more!
On February 01 2012 00:42 red4ce wrote: To my knowledge, not a single notable Korean progamer has complained about foreigners getting seeded into code A/S. In fact when asked about it most of them welcome international participation in the GSL. 2 spots out of 32 isn't that big a deal. The new GSL format means if a player doesn't deserve to be in code whatever he'll drop out quickly anyways.
At any rate Mr. Chae has already addressed this. GOM is running a business and foreign players bring in more views than the 31st and 32nd best Korean would. Just think of it as a small sacrifice for the greater good.
Many of the invited foreign players show poor games and are knocked out quickly. Taking this into consideration, aren't some of the Korean players or teams unhappy with the increased foreign seeds?
The teams and players have no qualms. If you think about it the other way, Korean players already receive a higher number of seeds, and better placed seeds as well in foreign tournaments. It's the same principle as how foreign players don't have any complaints about that (although, I guess there may be some discontent?).
If I can use the World Cup as an example, it might be easier to explain. If the World Cup went purely by FIFA rankings, Korea would never be able to play, and it would have become a tournament that only South America and Europe enjoyed.
We don't want GSL to only establish itself as a Korean national league. We want to offer an incentive for foreign players to come to Korea, if they should ever have the opportunity. I think if they use the opportunity to come here and take in Korean pro-gaming culture, then they can become stronger than they are now.
GSL wants to provide those kind of opportunities. Also, I think that we were relatively successful at that last year. Two years ago, could you have imagined so many foreign players working with Korean teams and coming to Korea?
The topic should end right here.
Foreigners in GSL increases viewership. It's good for e-sports.
Code S seeds is too much, maybe Code A seeds will do. Would be curious to find out the percentage of people that has passed from their invite, because IdrA, HuK and Sen they were all given Code S but they dropped down to Code A? Right?
I honestly seeding/inviting takes away from tournament experience,not only on GSL but on other tournaments aswell,something I love the GSL for is it long standing with several qualifier stages,the foreigner seeding only serves the purpose to show that foreigners suck
Without GSL seedes the gap between foreigners and Koreans is going to get bigger and bigger IMO. If Koreans dominate SC2 im sure this game is gonna die in foreign countries i think.
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