EPTGSL march code S seeds discussion - Page 6
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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Aunvilgod
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ladyumbra
Canada1699 Posts
MKP placed 4th in the korean qualifier for the arena and now can't do worse than third at the arena itself. He also placed 5th at HSC4 . * IDK if you can count his 2nd place in the FXOinvitational since there were only a handful of foreign players there. He just fell to code A and has a reasonable shot of making it back to code S anyways but I don't know how much they take that into consideration. Polt won assembly winter, an ipl4 qualifier and some other smaller stuff lately. While a lot of foreigners have had some pretty surprising and impressive runs lately I don't think any of them ( who would be willing to go) have been as consistent in placing well. Nani has a top 8 finish at an IEM and one for the winter Arena. Feast has 2 top 8 IEM finishes Ret went out first round of HSC4, placed 3rd at an Iem and finished top 12 in the arena. Demuslim has an IEM top8 and winter arena top 12. Huk can't do worse than 3rd in the Arena now but hasn't been to any other events this year. If he wins though I can still see him getting a spot. | ||
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NozliW_
Chile70 Posts
you shouldn't say "oh but he just lost on code A so not fair", or anything like that. Remember MC, he fell into code B and got second place on MLG orlando losing to HuK, and he regained his code S spot. Polt has won ASUS ROG just now, beating a bunch of good players. IMO He totally deserves a code S spot. The other spot should probably go to viOlet, HuK or Naniwa. viOlet has shown a really good performance on the foreing scene lately, he won an IEM, and he's really good. HuK hasn't been doing well on GSL, but he's showing everyone one MLG Arena that he can still be beating some good players. And about NaNiwa... well I really haven't seen that much of him, but his run through providence still impresses me, he beated some really good players, and this MLG Arena he showed us that he can still beat NesTea and also get his revenge on Leenock. | ||
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Rokevo
Finland1033 Posts
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
On February 26 2012 20:21 JustPassingBy wrote: Spoiler: discussion might contain recent tournament results! Hi TL, I wanted to start a discussion about who are the hottest candidates for the code S seeds in the next GSL season. A discussion about possible benefits and drawbacks, as well as alternatives of the said seeding system should go here: link (note that the thread is misinformed though, because Koreans are also eligible for the seeds, see below.) Who is eligible for the code S seeds and on what criteria are they handed out? Source: GOMTV For your reminder, here are all the premier tournament (as of Liquipedia) that happened recently or are happening right now: MLG Winter Arena, Assembly Winter, IEM Sao Paolo, IEM Kiev, HomeStory Cup So who do you think is the hottest candidate for a code S seed and why? Personally, I'm torn between either the two top non-code S finishers from MLG Winter Arena, or the top non-code S finisher from MLG Winter and the top non-code S finisher from Assembly. If the two non-code S players in MLG Winter manage to finish top 3, I'd say give them the seeds. Otherwise, I'd also be okay to give one to Polt who, even if the player pool of Assembly wasn't nearly as stacked as MLG, is the reining champion of Assembly. No one except Stephano. Simple as that. Their success is more due to their foreign tournament experience (ability to deal with jetlag, pressure, different conditions than in GSL...) than a sudden and dramatic increase of skill. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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Which leads to the second choice: Puma. Besides winning two NASLs, he also get second at Dreamhack and is also very well known in the foreign scene. He has had repeated great showings at MLG, knocking out notables like Bomber and Losira. he has DRG luck in Code B but has demonstrated that he can go toe-to-toe with anyone in the scene. TvZ is his worst MU but can still beat Losiras and DRGs of this world. And then there are the IEM medals. It's time to see what Puma can do in a GSL match. If Huk wins MLG, he has a good claim but that's his only great achievement after the tournaments which he won for his last seed. (I might be confused about this history, though). If we look at recent history as a whole, though(as we should), naturally Huk comes out way ahead of even Polt. Probably not ahead of Puma, though. Naniwa also hasn't done all that much after his last seed was given. He might have beat Nestea and Leenock, but still went out quite early in the Winter Arena. As Demuslim also beat Nestea, the Nestea card has diluted somewhat. But more importantly, Naniwa has not won a tournament recently. I don't want to compare Stephano's accomplishments because fanboys would eat me up, so I'll just say that the question is moot because he has publicly announced he does not want an invite. Violet is an interesting choice, but he still only has one small tournament with only one Korean. He is promising and I hope he will win some more tournaments to solidify his claim. | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On February 26 2012 20:41 eYeball wrote: I agree with this also. The best foreigner we have are like HuK, Naniwa and Stephano. But like many others say Stephano don't want to go to Korea, and I don't think HuK or Naniwa should be given one really. Especially not HuK since he was just given one last GSL and lost it. I hope Polt and someone else gets it, preferably Violet. Huk has never been given a Code S seed. He was given a Code A seed in GSL March 2011, and he qualified for Code S that tournament. In May he went 0-2 in his group, but survived up/down. He then stayed in Code S until he was knocked down to Code A in second group stage of November, didn't make it through up/down, and was then knocked out of Code A this GSL. Sen and Idra were given Code S seeds this season, where Idra went right out and Sen stayed in for the upcoming up/down matches. While it might be weird to put Huk right into Code S again after he went out completely, that's almost what happened to MMA. He were two seasons in Code A, got knocked out, and went right into Code S from an MLG win. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On February 26 2012 22:42 CoR wrote: in order of impression beginnin with the best one Stephano (Assembly) Huk (MLG) Naniwa (MLG) Polt (Assembly) Demuslim (MLG) Violet (all last tournaments) Ret (MLG and others) I like your picks but I'm confused as to how you could have a better impression of Stephano than Polt from Assembly when Polt not only beat Stephano 4-1, he had a much more difficult path to the finals? | ||
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Kevan
Sweden2303 Posts
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Antares_
Poland269 Posts
If I had to make the decision, I would give seeds to Stephano and Naniwa as they are currently the best on foreign scene. If they give up their seeds, next in line are DeMuslim and Ret (finished in the same round of MLG Arena). Also, if PartinG, MKP or Oz fail to qualify to code S (which 99% won't happen) should be given seeds basing on their performance in MLG Arena before DeMu or Ret. | ||
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templar rage
United States2509 Posts
Its kinda hard right now because there is so few tournaments ATM to consider. It's probably going to be Huk and Polt or Naniwa. The argument that they don't deserve them because they just fell out is really bad. The fact they just failed in GSL doesn't even matter because it's not what the seeds are being based off of. Using that fact to say that they won't be competitive, and thus undeserving, is stupid. If that's the case, then no seeds should be given out, because there's really no one right now outside of Code S who would realistically be in the discussion to win it. | ||
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
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Funkydonky
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On February 26 2012 23:59 Zeetox wrote: Polt, HuK, Idra, Sen and other guys that just dropped from Code A this season shouldn't get a code S seed. You ask why? If their skill level is not high enough to at least stay in code A, there is no reason in giving them code S seed. If I had to make the decision, I would give seeds to Stephano and Naniwa as they are currently the best on foreign scene. If they give up their seeds, next in line are DeMuslim and Ret (finished in the same round of MLG Arena). Also, if PartinG, MKP or Oz fail to qualify to code S (which 99% won't happen) should be given seeds basing on their performance in MLG Arena before DeMu or Ret. MMA and MC both got code S seeds the season after they fell to code B. MMA has now won a GSL and the Blizzard cup. Both he and MC advanced out of the first round of Code S the season they came back to Code S after falling to code B. Who's not to say the players they lost to are Code S quality players? Polt lost to Creator who many believe has one of the best PvTs in the world. How is that much different than MMA losing to puzzle and falling to code B but people felt fine when he got a Code S seed the next season? It only takes 1 bad day to fall out of code A, but I think a player like Polt has shown that he still has what it takes to be a top player | ||
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Hakanfrog
Sweden690 Posts
HuK was just eliminated so that wouldn´t make sense, the Code S level is just so good atm, I don´t think any foreigner could compete with it atm. | ||
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Shiori
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Rookie6
Brazil583 Posts
The other one I think should go to Huk, but only if he gets to the finals of MLG. Thats because he got the easiest part of the bracket at MLG (even though I didn't watch his games, so I don't know how well he has been playing). And I think Naniwa, Stephano, viOLet and Ret should also be considered. Personally, I want Polt and Naniwa to get them. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On February 26 2012 23:42 SiroKO wrote: No one except Stephano. Simple as that. Their success is more due to their foreign tournament experience (ability to deal with jetlag, pressure, different conditions than in GSL...) than a sudden and dramatic increase of skill. " No one except Stephano " *Sees user is from France* I don't usually make posts like this but I just cannot believe how biased you are, it's sickening. Polt beat him in the finals 4-1 but he does not deserve a seed " because he deals with jetlag and pressure well, and the conditions are different than in the GSL. " ( Which he WON a championship in ) Fanboy logic is just stunning sometimes. | ||
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
On February 27 2012 00:13 Dodgin wrote: " No one except Stephano " *Sees user is from France* I don't usually make posts like this but I just cannot believe how biased you are, it's sickening. Polt beat him in the finals 4-1 but he does not deserve a seed " because he deals with jetlag and pressure well, and the conditions are different than in the GSL. " ( Which he WON a championship in ) Fanboy logic is just stunning sometimes. Sorry, one of my premise was : * assuming that no-seeds will be given to any Korean*. | ||
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