On February 27 2012 02:04 tztztz wrote: and btw am i the only one who thinks there shouldn't be a seed at all? is there really anyone who would watch less gsl because of the lack of foreigners? i mean, how exciting can it be to watch a player you don't think is able to qualifier through code b. and don't tell me code b is hard. yes, it is hard, but you can't praise polt and hype is performance at assembly and at the same time think its hard for him to go through code b. he IS good, and he would re-qualifiy EASYLY, so no need to waste seed.
Sadly, there are tons of players that won't watch unless there is a 'foreigner'. It's sad that people can't just watch for the amazing players that are already in it, but people are biased against koreans.
I think Polt is the only one deserving of a Code S seed, if even. I don't mind seeds into Code A, and up and down seeds are alright I guess, but Code S should have absolutely 0 seeds. Keep it the best of the best, there are already people stuck in code A who are deserving of code S, don't give the prestige to some random foreigner.
On February 26 2012 21:39 aebriol wrote: 1) COCA ! - Because he is code S caliber. - Because he did something stupid unintentionally - Because his punishment was given by his team, not by GOM, and so there's nothing wrong with rewarding him a seed to get him back. - Because there are likely less Zergs than other races. - Because I like him! (most important, of course)
2) Huk if he wins MLG, otherwise Polt.
... partly because I don't think Violet would take it.
I would like to see Coca too, but first of all, I doubt Gom would give him one since he was involved in all those shenanigans, and two, he would probably reject the offer anyways, since he wants to redeem himself through personal training and hard work
Personally I'm tired of seeing Foreigners get a seed and then get stomped. I know they are just doing this so people from foreign countries have more of an incentive to watch, but this is only my opinion >.>
On February 27 2012 02:04 tztztz wrote: and btw am i the only one who thinks there shouldn't be a seed at all? is there really anyone who would watch less gsl because of the lack of foreigners? i mean, how exciting can it be to watch a player you don't think is able to qualifier through code b. and don't tell me code b is hard. yes, it is hard, but you can't praise polt and hype is performance at assembly and at the same time think its hard for him to go through code b. he IS good, and he would re-qualifiy EASYLY, so no need to waste seed.
easily qualify like Bomber and DRG? Code B qualifiers and Code A are single elimination and not easy at all. One bad day or bad matchup.
The korean scene is pretty stacked with talent, even in Code B.. I support code A seeds for notable achievements and up and downs for a select select few, but code S is too far
Polt or like..viOlet should have it..but I mean..there are no real foreigner that deserves it..maybe Stephano..? His skills are far superior as an example Morrows skills........and Morrow had an invite to Code A.
If Huk or Naniwa would get it I would have to throw up. Huk lost his shit recently, and Naniwa had got a shot into GSL like 3-4 times and failed it. They should both earn the spot by going through the Code A qualifications as all the other progamers in korea do Imo.
Maybe they should just skip handing out these seeds tbh...
On February 27 2012 02:04 tztztz wrote: and btw am i the only one who thinks there shouldn't be a seed at all? is there really anyone who would watch less gsl because of the lack of foreigners? i mean, how exciting can it be to watch a player you don't think is able to qualifier through code b. and don't tell me code b is hard. yes, it is hard, but you can't praise polt and hype is performance at assembly and at the same time think its hard for him to go through code b. he IS good, and he would re-qualifiy EASYLY, so no need to waste seed.
easily qualify like Bomber and DRG? Code B qualifiers and Code A are single elimination and not easy at all. One bad day or bad matchup.
DRG only failed once, he would've been code s by now for sure. and bomber was never a seed worthy code s player ever.
edit: if you have a bad match up, work on it. yeah, you can have a bad day that can screw you, but than you qualify next time. how likly is it to have 3 or 4 bad days?? not that likly if you are DRG
I would like seeds to be for Up&Down only. Anyway, with the current system, I guess that Polt would be a good candidate (yes, he has been knocked out of Code A, but by Creator).
if Stephano doesn't want it, they should give seeds to huk and naniwa simply because they are the best foreigners who might have a chance. Code A seeds should be given to people that have good results. Once there are more foreigners who can compete on code S level than you will have more to choose from.
I think right now Violet, Dimaga, Polt and Stephano should all be considered. But, seeing as Violet and Polt are
a) Korean b) dropped out of Code A
Dimaga and Stephano should get first pick. However, MLG Winter Arena as well as IEM World Championship have yet to be played, and I think the chances are that there will be two foreigners who do better and maybe place first. It would be cool to have high placers in MLG Columbus, but it ends the day before Code S starts, so that's unrealistic.
Naniwa and Huk might be considered too for their Winter Arena performances, but Huk just dropped out of Code A and I'm not sure Gom is willing to give Naniwa a Code S seed just yet.
So to summarize:
The seeds should be Stephano and Dimaga for now, and possibly foreigners who do well in IEM WC.
It feels weird seeding Polt and HuK, even though they probably deserve it due to tournament results. But they are definitely the most deserving for the code S seeds. As for the international up-and-down seeds, MaNa, Kas, Ret... Maybe TLO, as he should be going to Korea soon.
If these seeds are reserved for foreign players, there is not much of a choice really.
- HuK (for his MLG Winter performance) just got dropped out of Code A, so I doubt that bringing him straight back to Code S would be proper etiquette. - Sen (for his GSL performance) is probably worthy of the reward, unless he catastrophically fails in up&down matches. It's not impossible he makes it through by himself, anyways. - Naniwa (for defeating Nestea and Leenock at MLG) is without a doubt a strong player when he's not facing Lucky. I'm not sure that GOM has come to terms with the probe rush incident, unfortunately. - Stephano (for his Assembly performance) will not accept it, so don't bother. - Dimaga (for IEM and HSC performances) : not much too say, the other four are probably better but there are no outside-of-game obstacles in his case. - Anyone else : if you really want to see another 0-6 into Code B, sure.
I don't see them giving it to a korean no matter what they say. The whole purpose of seeds is to enrich the world wide appeal. Meaning foreigners so Polt is SOL. He'll have to go through normal channels like every other Korean. My guess is Stephano and HuK ATM.
On February 27 2012 02:02 SRBNikola wrote: EGIdrA for sure
for what? personally I don't like the seeds at all.
I don't really like the seeds either. They seem to be just giving them away based on popularity.
The fact that Idra got a high seed and then promptly lost in embarrasing fashion speaks volumes about how seeds should not be just given for being popular.
If the seeds are given for winning an open entry tournament I think it can be good thing because it gives up and coming players a chance to show they can compete on the big stage. Essentially acting as a CodeB/GSL quailfier in another country. But if the seeds are just a free pass for regular invite players to fail in the GSL then come back because they are already involved in the circuit it seems counter-productive, why even knock them out for losing if you are going to invite them right back?
If it was more cut and dried I would like it more. Like it was the MLG open season last year, win an MLG and you get a GSL Seed. Simple and effective and serves it's purpose well. Being all vague and giving out seeds to just whoever they want based on opinions and/or hidden criterior just seems against the whole idea of a competetive tournament.
They should definitely give one to Polt. His fall to Code B was really unfortunate and kinda bad luck on his part. Firstly, when he did Up and Down matches it was November, which was the season with the oddball format that was only used once, and he got knocked out in Bo1s, instead of Bo3s like the format was actually designed for (They had the goofy short version of the new format for GSL November only). Then he even said himself he was really sick for his game against Creator in Code A and wasn't really in any condition to play.
I just think of it this way, had Polt got into Code S instead of Inca, he actually would have been able to get somewhere. Inca's play only works in Bo1 and team league, because people are going to get detection against him as soon as they lose to him once. Had that set of Up and Down matches been Bo3 like the format was designed for, Inca would have lost. There's no way either Polt or Losira would have lost to him in a Bo3.
I don't see what foreigner they would give the seeds to right now. Stephano would be good but I don't know if he would accept it. Maybe Huk depending on his MLG performance. Definitely not Idra, that guy needs to fix both his play and his mindset before he's considered a threat again. Naniwa would be okay but I doubt they'd do that.
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