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On February 26 2012 13:57 Kerwin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 13:46 Sbrubbles wrote:On February 26 2012 13:25 Kerwin wrote:On February 26 2012 13:20 Sbrubbles wrote:On February 26 2012 13:13 Kerwin wrote:On February 26 2012 12:59 Sbrubbles wrote:
Can everyone PLEASE stop discussing why race is hard/easier? It's is not the point of the thread!!!!!!!! In the defense of the detractors, there is no point to this thread. Everyone already knows you can rebind keys. The rebinding method here only makes sense if you've never injected larva before and don't already have muscle memory for the command, since this "new" method is neither new or in any way quicker or easier. People see "Sick zerg inject method!" in the left sidebar aren't expecting to see the same inject method everyone already uses except using keys that seem to be only chosen because they are next to each other. This specific way to inject larva (F1, F2, F3, click) has never been explained in a TL thread. If you've seen this before, please link to it and I'll take back what I said. Everyone knows you can rebind keys, but there's more to it than that. I, for one, am thankful for the OP's contribution. You have a different setup that you think is superior. That's fine, but some people (myself included) may like his way better. The keys that have been selected don't matter at all, and he made no explanation about why these keys were selected other than they seem to be next to each other... the base cycle larvae inject method has been discussed ad nauseum and this "Sick zerg inject method!" offers little to nothing to it that anyone who has played starcraft wouldn't have already realized. (i.e. that you can rebind commands) If I were to create a thread called "Sick new Marine Micro Method!!!1" and in it I suggested rebinding a control group to F1, binding attack move to F2, and binding patrol to F3, it would get closed because it's not a good reason for a thread and doesn't contribute anything, and this thread offers just as much. Hey, if you hypothetically found out that rebinding control group to F1, binding attack move to F2, and binding patrol to F3 was more efficient than no rebind, your thread wouldn't be closed. In fact, you should probably receive an award or something. This is hypothetically, of course. Unlike this larva key rebind, which clearly can be useful for some people and has never explained with these specifications (F1, F2, F3, click), rebinding the attack move, patrol and control groups has no utility. Sigh... can you explain even one reason why this method is better? There are 2 possible ways to perform the "Base Cycle" Inject Method... 1.) Hold down the inject key while cycling through bases and click 2.) Hold down the shift key + inject key then cycle through bases and click In the first case, the OP is suggesting that holding F2, while hitting F3 to go through bases would be easier or more natural than holding V and hitting the space bar? This method moves your left hand away from the keys it should be at with a traditional setup and doesn't seem to be something an average computer user is going to find more convenient. In the second case, the OP would be suggesting that Shift + F2 is easier to or more natural to hit than Shift + V (and then of course using F3 to cycle through the bases instead of the space bar. I would argue that this method has no utility... in fact it takes away utility from other keybinds such as camera keybinds and the idle worker keybind for splitting vs hellions.
There is no need for 'holding' or shift clicking with this method. simply hit F1,F2,F3,Left click repeatedly and rapidly to cover all of your hatcheries.
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On February 26 2012 13:59 Attri wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 13:54 johnnywup wrote:
i dont understand how you inject more than one hatchery with this method? after one batch of F1,F2,F3,Left click, one base is injected, spamming F1,F2,F3,Left click multiple times will inject your other bases because F1(camear base center) will center your screen to your next hatch. so after you hit F1,F2,F3,Left click, one base is done, then when you re-hit F1, you start your inject on your next hatch, it cycles through ALL of your hatcheries.
There's no need to hit F1 again. (at no point in this process are the queens not selected)
For example, if you're injecting 3 bases (and you don't want to hold down inject or use shift) then you would just hit F1, F2, F3, click, F2, F3, click, F2, F3, click
To make things easier you can always just go F1, F2 (hold down until done), F3, click, F3, click, F3, click
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I've actually been doing something similar to this for a few months, almost:
"\' is bound to Control Group 0 (my queens)
"-" is bound to base camera
"=" is bound to larva inject
So i hit \, -, =, -, = ,-, = etc. It's really fast too. You may ask why I put it on the opposite side of the keyboard... well, what I've discovered is that sometimes I hit the wrong hot key while trying to macro, so I decided to move ALL of my queen's hotkeys to the right side so when I'm using my queens, my hand is instantly on the right side of the keyboard, and i don't select or do anything else on accident.
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On February 26 2012 11:59 Energizer wrote:Meh, might works for some. I personally still prefer the backspace method, with a few rebinded keys. F1-4 is great and all, if you dont mind losing your camera keys. Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 11:58 guN-viCe wrote:On February 26 2012 11:26 nShade wrote:
Zerg has the hardest macro mechanics... I can't agree with this. Injecting isn't hard. Larva is way more powerful than chono/mules. Make every unit from one building and hotkey.. And yet, people with 300+ APM still miss injects... If it isn't so hard, why are so many people missing them?
It's seriously not hard to inject at all. I don't get why people say Zerg is the hardest
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On February 26 2012 14:09 Skullflower wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 11:59 Energizer wrote:Meh, might works for some. I personally still prefer the backspace method, with a few rebinded keys. F1-4 is great and all, if you dont mind losing your camera keys. On February 26 2012 11:58 guN-viCe wrote:On February 26 2012 11:26 nShade wrote:
Zerg has the hardest macro mechanics... I can't agree with this. Injecting isn't hard. Larva is way more powerful than chono/mules. Make every unit from one building and hotkey.. And yet, people with 300+ APM still miss injects... If it isn't so hard, why are so many people missing them? It's seriously not hard to inject at all. I don't get why people say Zerg is the hardest
Missing injects has nothing to do with APM and everything to do with having to multitask other things that me seem more important at the time. Injects are equivalent to terran or toss forgetting depots/pylon (lost production that you can't get back) and depots and pylons take about as much APM as injecting larvae.
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On February 26 2012 12:48 Laggy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 12:47 Sylailene wrote:
i dont see how this is any easier, than throwing switch base on spacebar, holding shift down and hitting space->click, litterally i can inject 6+ hatches in a second No one said it waas easier, they just said that it was an easy way of doing it. O_o
Then why do it? if its not easier or faster, I just don't see the point...
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Don't understand why u'd go through all that trouble..
Just get all the larva-injecting-queens into one group and use the minimap.
Press V + click on minimap, repeat for all ur hatcheries.
Much, much faster than the OP's method.
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On February 26 2012 14:23 LuciferSC wrote:
Don't understand why u'd go through all that trouble..
Just get all the larva-injecting-queens into one group and use the minimap.
Press V + click on minimap, repeat for all ur hatcheries.
Much, much faster than the OP's method.
Just preference, as i said in OP, this is just an idea for people who are lost on how to inject, giving them some clear way of doing it, this is NOT saying its any easier than anothe rmethod.
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On February 26 2012 14:01 Kerwin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 13:59 Attri wrote:On February 26 2012 13:54 johnnywup wrote:
i dont understand how you inject more than one hatchery with this method? after one batch of F1,F2,F3,Left click, one base is injected, spamming F1,F2,F3,Left click multiple times will inject your other bases because F1(camear base center) will center your screen to your next hatch. so after you hit F1,F2,F3,Left click, one base is done, then when you re-hit F1, you start your inject on your next hatch, it cycles through ALL of your hatcheries. There's no need to hit F1 again. (at no point in this process are the queens not selected) For example, if you're injecting 3 bases (and you don't want to hold down inject or use shift) then you would just hit F1, F2, F3, click, F2, F3, click, F2, F3, click To make things easier you can always just go F1, F2 (hold down until done), F3, click, F3, click, F3, click
You've got a point, if you switch camera to F2 and the control group to F1, then you can F1, F2, F3, click, F2, F3, click, etc.
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On February 26 2012 14:33 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 14:01 Kerwin wrote:On February 26 2012 13:59 Attri wrote:On February 26 2012 13:54 johnnywup wrote:
i dont understand how you inject more than one hatchery with this method? after one batch of F1,F2,F3,Left click, one base is injected, spamming F1,F2,F3,Left click multiple times will inject your other bases because F1(camear base center) will center your screen to your next hatch. so after you hit F1,F2,F3,Left click, one base is done, then when you re-hit F1, you start your inject on your next hatch, it cycles through ALL of your hatcheries. There's no need to hit F1 again. (at no point in this process are the queens not selected) For example, if you're injecting 3 bases (and you don't want to hold down inject or use shift) then you would just hit F1, F2, F3, click, F2, F3, click, F2, F3, click To make things easier you can always just go F1, F2 (hold down until done), F3, click, F3, click, F3, click You've got a point, if you switch camera to F2 and the control group to F1, then you can F1, F2, F3, click, F2, F3, click, etc.
interesting, never thought of that before! will definetly try this out
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I saw ur inject thread and i find it very interesting and trying to do it but idk what you mean by several things
1) center to base camera? do you mean center on current selection?
2) do you use F2 for selecting all ur queens?
3) for F3, u change that to V for inject?
as u can see im very confused to all the step u wrote it down
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Alright I'm gonna blow all your fucking minds up in this bitch....
First I create camera locations by ALT 1, 2 ,3, a, s, d
Then my select queen hotkey is SHIFT q
Inject is W
Camera locations are SHIFT E, S, D
Alt q, w ,e
So basically when I wanna inject I just roll my hand shift QWESD and get all three hatches done. I don't typically have a queen at my 3 other locations but I still like to get have them on camera location so Alt q w e works pretty awesome
The reason I skip A is cause I still use Shift A for attacking and it kinda fucks up and training my muscle memory for attack seems impossible at this point in time.
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I do this but with clicking the mouse wheel. Not like, rolling the mouse wheel like the inject thing, but just mean that my "center on base camera" hotkey is pressing down on the mouse wheel.
Anyway thanks for the tip!
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On February 26 2012 14:38 Haustka wrote:
I saw ur inject thread and i find it very interesting and trying to do it but idk what you mean by several things
1) center to base camera? do you mean center on current selection?
2) do you use F2 for selecting all ur queens?
3) for F3, u change that to V for inject?
as u can see im very confused to all the step u wrote it down
1) hitting f1 re~centers your screen to your next available hatchery, so spaming f1 will cycle your screen through all your hatches. 2and3 are yeses.
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What if instead you bound
F1 for your queens
F2 for for inject button
F3 center to base camera
F1F2 *hold shift* spam F3 and Left click
or you could even change the shift key(for doing multiple action in a chain) to F3 and have center base on F4:
F1 -> F2 -> hold-f3 -> spam F4/left click
Just an idea, nice find though!
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On February 26 2012 14:44 vileChAnCe wrote:
Alright I'm gonna blow all your fucking minds up in this bitch....
First I create camera locations by ALT 1, 2 ,3, a, s, d
Then my select queen hotkey is SHIFT q
Inject is W
Camera locations are SHIFT E, S, D
Alt q, w ,e
So basically when I wanna inject I just roll my hand shift QWESD and get all three hatches done. I don't typically have a queen at my 3 other locations but I still like to get have them on camera location so Alt q w e works pretty awesome
The reason I skip A is cause I still use Shift A for attacking and it kinda fucks up and training my muscle memory for attack seems impossible at this point in time.
at first this seemed way to complicated...then i went over it visually...and my mind exploded. You sir...are a genius
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On February 26 2012 11:58 guN-viCe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 11:26 nShade wrote:
Zerg has the hardest macro mechanics... I can't agree with this. Injecting isn't hard. Larva is way more powerful than chono/mules. Make every unit from one building and hotkey..
even some top level pros miss injects some times and do not have perfect injects. try injecting 5-6+ bases in a game that lasts 30-50 mins. its not as easy as people make it out to be, especially when your trying to manage so many other things at once like harassing/defending harassment/microing/getting eco going/etc etc
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This isn't really anything new. The zerg pros have been doing this so for awhile now. You should use keys that closer rather then the F keys. Liquid'Tyler talked about this ALONG time ago on SOTG how he has changed all the protoss hot keys to make marco'ing easier.
I don't understand why people are hating on zerg marco'ing, Protoss has a built in GUI that tells them when to make units and they don't even have to hot key their main buildings. All wrap gates get hot keyed automatically for them.
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My preferred method is having 3 injecting queens in total every game (except if i go ling infestor in zvt, then i try to use 4), and binding them to a groupkey each. The backspace method is fine as long as you dont get harassed and start having your queens killed, then they start running all over the map and it's fucked up. I have my queens on 5 6 7, so i toubletap the number and press v for inject and click the hatchery. It's almost as quick as the backspace method when you get used to it, and it's a lot more reliable in stressy situations when you are getting harassed.
The downside is obviously that it takes up 3 groupkeys, but i only use 3 groups for my army anyway  never needed more in this game
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