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Patch 1.4.3 - Preview Blog - Page 7

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Please DISCUSS the changes and the impact they will have on gameplay.

Straight up whining and bitching will get you a ban, no exceptions.
Stiluz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway688 Posts
February 10 2012 17:24 GMT
#121
Yey, a good balance patch! Ghosts still viable lategame vs Zerg, but does not destroy both BL and Ultras as fast as before. Protoss gets a bit more efficient for dealing with Mutas. Everybody's happy now :D
Mrvoodoochild1
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1439 Posts
February 10 2012 17:24 GMT
#122
On February 11 2012 02:19 Linwelin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 02:18 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
Idra said ghosts were broken a couple of months ago. Everyone calls Idra a whiner because of it. Months later, the ghosts two main abilities are nerfed. Anyways, this is the best patch ever. Blizzard is FINALLY starting to listen to the community. This has me excited for the expansion and future balance changes.


You're right IdrA was the ONLY one complaining about ghosts

Did i say he was the ONLY one? No, I said he complained and everyone called him a whiner.
"let your freak flag fly"
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
February 10 2012 17:24 GMT
#123
Honestly, i don't think the snipe change will go throught.
Ghost don't need to have snipe against caster, they have fucking EMP already.
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ntssauce
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany750 Posts
February 10 2012 17:24 GMT
#124
hmmm so tournament maps should get gold bases again i think...
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Strelok
Profile Joined January 2006
Ukraine320 Posts
February 10 2012 17:24 GMT
#125
On February 11 2012 02:06 wichenks wrote:


Snipe damage changed from 45 to 25 +25 Psionic
Especially at the pro level, we were seeing a lot of games where terran players were playing very defensive games while massing ghosts to counter most of the options zerg players had at their disposal.




I don't understand why Blizzard sees it in TvZ and doesn't see it in PvT where protosses attack only at 200/200 4000-3000 resources?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45176 Posts
February 10 2012 17:24 GMT
#126
On February 11 2012 02:21 theBALLS wrote:
PvP Phoenix vs Phoenix

First to get upgrade wins


Doesn't blink stalker still beat it? Or are you assuming that both players randomly go phoenix (which would be kinda cool ^^).
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Vinland
Profile Joined April 2011
Argentina136 Posts
February 10 2012 17:25 GMT
#127
Nice, really like the changes.

I hope the phoenix buff works out the way they want it. If it does, that may give the carrier another chance on HoTS, and id love that
rfoster
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1005 Posts
February 10 2012 17:25 GMT
#128
I love all of the changes except the ghost snipe. I feel like Terran late game vs zerg is going to go back to feeling completely helpless to zerg broodlord pushes. Is the +5 damage going to make a difference vs Ht and Infestors? What is Terran supposed to do late game vs zerg now? Are ghost still going to be what you do late game?
jmack
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada285 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 17:25:35
February 10 2012 17:25 GMT
#129
All of these look like good changes.

Especially CPM ( how did that take this long? ) thank you for this one blizzard.

Terrans I know you might be mad but you have to admit Ghost v Z were pretty good.

Does any one wonder why they made it a range upgrade at the beacon instead of just a straight buff? Having to get the beacon /whine.
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blamekilly
Profile Joined April 2011
466 Posts
February 10 2012 17:25 GMT
#130
Cool more terran nerfs every patch.... thanks for nothing. How about working on TvP balance?

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Tulkas25
Profile Joined August 2011
Greece292 Posts
February 10 2012 17:25 GMT
#131
Keep nerfing terran blizzard.Lategame vs zerg was just way too easy..It was about time it became a bit more difficult....sigh...This matchup will become indeed like tvp...Zerg will try to stay alive till late game and then a move + F if it fails repeat with the other tech and so forth.I know that all these stuff are meant for really high lvl players but seriously i have been watching lots of streams and tournaments lately and the times that actually terran got to the point to have mass ghost in time to destroy the zerg army were not many.It was always back and forth and it really was coming down to control.Its not like this matchup is forgiving for terran either when you can lose all your ground force to just 10 banelings.Blizzard needs to realize that terrans dont have viable late game transitions and are the most succeptible race to tech switces and either do something to make terran high tier units more easy to transition to or stop nerfing stuff just for the sake of nerfing them
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willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
February 10 2012 17:26 GMT
#132
Pretty good changes but I'm really confused about snipe now. It definitely will not be worth using against Ultralisks anymore but seems to still work against HTs/Sentries/Infestors/Ghosts with the same efficiency. However, EMP counters these units already so Snipe looks like it will overlap this role for these units and will also be worse vs. every other unit now (biological, non-psionic). Might as well just cut this ability out and replace it with something else as I see it going out of use due to this change.

Another way to put this: When would you use Snipe now?
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Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
February 10 2012 17:26 GMT
#133
On February 11 2012 02:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 02:21 Condor Hero wrote:
On February 11 2012 02:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Phoenix's range will be upgraded to 6 after researching the fleet beacon upgrade... what is the Phoenix's starting range? And what is the Mutalisk's range?

4 and 3, it will be awesome depending on how much upgrade costs.
I mean P still needs like 1/2 as many Phoenix to stop mutas killing probe line but now Phoenix wont die to mutas.


Thank you

Maybe it'll even be more successful as a deterrent... as in, the Zerg won't continue to mass muta in a game if he sees the Protoss has the upgrade. So it could be useful to both kill the mutalisks and to convince the Zerg to stop producing mutas altogether ^^

That would be awesome, or at least be like TvZ in BW where you make a rd of mutas to harass but eventually switch.
I generally don't like people making mutas then just massing and massing until eventually throwing in 3-4 infestors.
Gator
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States3432 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 17:29:56
February 10 2012 17:26 GMT
#134
2 snipes to kill infestors is cool 10 snipes to kill a broodlord is not :[
TSM
bbm
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1320 Posts
February 10 2012 17:26 GMT
#135
On February 11 2012 02:21 theBALLS wrote:
PvP Phoenix vs Phoenix

First to get upgrade wins

Reminds me of in the campaign there's an upgrade in the armory to improve diamondback's range by 2... and the best video blizzard could think to make was +range diamondbacks running away from regular diamondbacks shooting at them without getting in range.

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ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
February 10 2012 17:26 GMT
#136
Thank god, snipe was so painful =[
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Xanbatou
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States805 Posts
February 10 2012 17:26 GMT
#137
Is anyone else worried about the phoenix range buff? With a range advantage and the ability to shoot while moving, all mutas on the field pretty much become useless. The move speed for phoenix is 4.25 and the move speed for mutalisks is 3.75. If your mutas get spotted out of position of your own anti-air, they pretty much will all die.
Vardant
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic620 Posts
February 10 2012 17:26 GMT
#138
On February 11 2012 02:24 Strelok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 02:06 wichenks wrote:


Snipe damage changed from 45 to 25 +25 Psionic
Especially at the pro level, we were seeing a lot of games where terran players were playing very defensive games while massing ghosts to counter most of the options zerg players had at their disposal.




I don't understand why Blizzard sees it in TvZ and doesn't see it in PvT where protosses attack only at 200/200 4000-3000 resources?

The important part is, that it was pretty much good vs everything lategame. Protoss can't mass one single unit, that is good no matter what your opponent has.
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
February 10 2012 17:26 GMT
#139
On February 11 2012 02:21 4Servy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 02:19 Bojas wrote:
I have a genuine question, I don't mean it as balance whine. There are quite a few pro terrans who will be reading this - how will you be dealing with zerg lategame now when they do ultralisk switches etc?

Happy about the apm change.

mech and raven + vik and some ghosts to snipe infs only way


I dont play Terran or have a GM knowledge of the game, but i think Terran players will have a hard time.

They will have to babysit their vikings like crazy now. I cant imagine how hard it will be to deal with infestor/Blord comp.

I've got moves like Jagger
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45176 Posts
February 10 2012 17:26 GMT
#140
On February 11 2012 02:24 Stiluz wrote:
Yey, a good balance patch! Ghosts still viable lategame vs Zerg, but does not destroy both BL and Ultras as fast as before. Protoss gets a bit more efficient for dealing with Mutas. Everybody's happy now :D


I agree. Ghosts will still be far from useless. EMP is still very important, despite the nerf it got. Snipe will still be vital, despite the nerf it's getting now too.

I just think that now, Terran will need to be a bit more selective on what to snipe in an army, instead of "fuck it, everything!" ^^
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