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Please DISCUSS the changes and the impact they will have on gameplay.

Straight up whining and bitching will get you a ban, no exceptions.
CuHz
Profile Joined January 2011
United States354 Posts
February 10 2012 18:15 GMT
#541
best patch ever
NA GM protoss twitch.tv/cuhzx
TheV
Profile Joined August 2010
Brazil107 Posts
February 10 2012 18:15 GMT
#542
Don't act like it is now impossible to use ghosts against Broodlords lol, you don't HAVE to use vikings, maybe add one or two vikings to compensate for the nerf, but in no way you need to use ONLY vikings or ONLY ghosts.
Storm is coming that cannot be avoided.
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
February 10 2012 18:15 GMT
#543
Great, nerf ghosts against zealots even more... Cant wait for HotS to be honest.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
February 10 2012 18:15 GMT
#544
On February 11 2012 03:14 Recognizable wrote:
I just switched from Terran to Zerg I guess. No reason to play the hardest race when it doesn't even result in a stronger race The snipe change is completely unwarranted.

The fuck? Have you watched lategame TvZ lately? >.>
Demonaz
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1219 Posts
February 10 2012 18:15 GMT
#545
These are some very well thought out changes, nice!

Nerfing snipe slightly will be nice for late game tvz no doubt, plus making mules harvest the same from gold should fix that problem. The 'risk-reward' thing of gold bases is a good aspect of the game and now mules can't abuse it stupidly.
freetgy
Profile Joined November 2010
1720 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 19:35:03
February 10 2012 18:15 GMT
#546
the range upgrade should be on, cybernetics core, but should cost alot like 150/150 or 200/200
fleet beacon is too much tech imho.

also snipe change is a huge buff in PvT
eFeS
Profile Joined October 2011
5 Posts
February 10 2012 18:15 GMT
#547
If someone saw Neastea vs Genius games, where Genius controlled Nestea's mutalisk numbers with phoenixes so well. I cant imagine how overpowered it would looked if phoenix has +1 range. O.o
Ryukku
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore545 Posts
February 10 2012 18:15 GMT
#548
I dont understand why people are complaining that snipe is now useless against broodlord infestor. I guess people was jsut too pampered and wanted one unit solve all.

Its a good change cause now ghosts kill infestors faster. So ghosts are still a must against broodlord infestor it just adds another micro dance between armies. Should the ghost be able to snipe the infestors, the vikings can swoop in for the kill on the air force of zerg, but should the zerg micro his infestors properly, he will be at an advantage. Its very similar to the HT/Ghost battle in TvP.

Regarding the phoenix change, the fact that it needs a fleet beacon probably just encourages more air play IMO. not so sure about this but phoenixs gonna be such a pain now =s
Zumm
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany122 Posts
February 10 2012 18:15 GMT
#549
Great patch notes, I'm really looking forward to the changes in the lategame TvZ. Though I doubt the Phoenix upgrade will be used much out of the Fleet Beacon.

But let's see.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
February 10 2012 18:15 GMT
#550
30-35 dmg seems quite reasonable for snipe but 20 really?
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
February 10 2012 18:16 GMT
#551
On February 11 2012 03:13 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 03:07 mvtaylor wrote:
On February 11 2012 03:02 See.Blue wrote:
For so long T has been so dominant, and yet they're so vocal over such a small change. I don't get it...


Getting back to "dominance"... it doesn't really exist any more, Jjakji and MVP have won four GSLs combined and both got eliminated in the ro16. The nerfs to Terran from the last four/five patches are getting really annoying to deal with so a double Terran nerf and a Protoss buff is just, ARRARGH.

...


MVP lost in TvT's, most due to his CTS problems flaring up. Jjakji lost in TvP's, but these Terran nerfs do nothing in that matchup, as others have stated. Gold bases are already non-existent in the GSL, and Snipes actually do +5 damage to many Protoss units now (Terrans only snipe Templars anyways...EMP is more effective for everything else).


Sniping zealots wasn't the worst thing in the world you know...

As for gold bases, the thing is they do exist in a bunch of ladder maps...
@followMVT
SolidMoose
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1240 Posts
February 10 2012 18:16 GMT
#552
On February 11 2012 03:12 theofficial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 03:10 xTrim wrote:
overmake vikings = lose to f**king ultra switch... god i hate this, why do i keep playing?


The simple answer is don't overmake. The more complicated asnwer resides in what you have to do in order NOT to overmake vikings. Just scout hard and often.


I'm supposed to scout 10 ultras popping at once when it's too late? Maybe they should use that april fools patch and make ultra eggs gigantic.
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
February 10 2012 18:16 GMT
#553
This is going to make Terran even more micro intensice (having to control vikings) which is great at the top leve, but lower league terran players are going to dissapear. Which isn't a good thing
Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
February 10 2012 18:16 GMT
#554
On February 11 2012 03:15 eFeS wrote:
If someone saw Neastea vs Genius games, where Genius controlled Nestea's mutalisk numbers with phoenixes so well. I cant imagine how overpowered it would looked if phoenix has +1 range. O.o


it's +2 range. but you need a fleet beacon for it
"See you space cowboy"
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 10 2012 18:16 GMT
#555
On February 11 2012 03:11 TheV wrote:
Aren't Phoenixes going to be able to pick up workers from waaaay far away from the mineral line? I am afraid of them phoenixes avoiding my spore crawlers and still picking up workers.

It probably doesn't affect Graviton's casting range.
I'm curious to see how this extra range will work. You can even kite the fucking 2-3 corruptors Zergs could mix in their mutas ball, sounds good to me.
TDH
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland25 Posts
February 10 2012 18:16 GMT
#556
Im Terran, and i have to say I like the new changes. I like challenges.
Ps! Im not sarcastic
Everybody are Imba in there own way. Even bronse players like me :)
Peanutbutter717
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States240 Posts
February 10 2012 18:16 GMT
#557
Oh my god, that phoenix change is huge!!! this is a pretty big patch.
Marine -> masters
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 18:17:15
February 10 2012 18:16 GMT
#558

This is going to make Terran even more micro intensice (having to control vikings) which is great at the top level, but lower league terran players are going to dissapear. Which isn't a good thing
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46471 Posts
February 10 2012 18:16 GMT
#559
On February 11 2012 03:12 mvtaylor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 03:11 densha wrote:
On February 11 2012 03:07 venage wrote:
When was the last time terran had a buff? TTQQ


When was the last time Terran was balanced?

Buffs/nerfs are only handed out if Blizzard deems necessary and I think Terrans are lucky with how long Ghosts have gone without a nerf. Remember they were even buffed with a reduced gas cost but their power was never brought in line with that buff. Now I think Snipe scales nicely with out easy it is to mass ghosts (at least at the pro level).


And for all us plebs that aren't pro players?

I think the vast majority of people who like watching starcraft also play it...


The problem here is that balance is (obviously) centered around the pro-gamers, because they make the fewest mechanical errors.

You can't just give Terran ten extra buffs just because gold Terran players might have a tough time. Then we would see Terrans winning *every* GSL instead of only half of them (lol). The game would be even further away from balanced.

A helpful thing to keep in mind is that the lower level of players should worry less about balance issues and more about their own mechanics. Getting your macro down, not getting supply blocked, and having a decent unit composition are all far more important in the lower leagues than the fact that Snipe is getting nerfed. It's about a million times more important.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
unifo
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada65 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 18:17:09
February 10 2012 18:16 GMT
#560
Interesting that, u can't 1 shot Blings anymore with Snipe. I am wondering if that is an intentional change?
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