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Please DISCUSS the changes and the impact they will have on gameplay.

Straight up whining and bitching will get you a ban, no exceptions.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
February 10 2012 18:04 GMT
#461
BEAUTIFUL PATCH, OH MY GOD. Strictly from the complaint department, this has balanced a lot of the current situations which made the game unfair. Gold on Mules (beautiful), Weaken Snipe (Excellent), Buff Pheonix to be more viable vs Zerg (Superb), Apm Changes? (Icing on THE CAKE AND A CHERRY)

Terran MAY or MAY NOT need a slight buff somewhere to account for the snipe change in the future, only time will tell.
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
February 10 2012 18:04 GMT
#462
and good shit, now terran has no reason to make a spell caster against zerg for the purpose of, you know, casting spells.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
February 10 2012 18:04 GMT
#463
Snipe change won't go through in this form.
Avril_Lavigne
Profile Joined April 2010
United States446 Posts
February 10 2012 18:04 GMT
#464
To be honest, I'm really gonna jump off the cycle of balancing this game. Terran gets nerfed, Terran finds a way to win games again, Zerg and Protoss QQ about Terran, Terran gets nerfed again. It's just an endless cycle even though Terran is taking the initiative to overcome their struggles while Zerg and Protoss accuse everything around them to be imbalanced.
Luppy1
Profile Joined June 2011
Singapore177 Posts
February 10 2012 18:04 GMT
#465
On February 11 2012 02:55 Caphe wrote:
On second thought, TvZ late game is gonna be really hard for Terran now. More Terran timing attack/allin inc in TvZ I think


Not as if it's not already done like in every single game.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 10 2012 18:04 GMT
#466
So much melodrama...
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 18:06:19
February 10 2012 18:04 GMT
#467
I miss when things were done in moderation. Both the ghost snipe nerf and the Phoenix range buff are massive changes. If snipe did 35 or 30 damage, it would still take more hits, but it would be more in line with David Kim saying they are "Slightly" too powerful.

On February 11 2012 02:57 awesomoecalypse wrote:
Show nested quote +
i dont see how the phoenix upgrade changes much



Phoenixes are faster than Mutas and can shoot while moving. In theory, they can kite them indefinitely without taking a single hit in return. The problem is that Phoenix range of 4 vs Muta range of 3 is a very narrow gap, and at the high speeds these units move at, it is pretty much guaranteed that Toss will slip up and Phoenixes will get in range of Muta fire. Thats not an issue in small numbers, but because Mutas have quasi-splash, and Phoenixes stack a bit, a huge Mutas ball will insta-decimate Phoenixes with even the slightest slip-up.

But range 6 vs. Range 3 is a huge gap. Now, there is significant leeway in kiting Mutas where Phoenixes can get hits in, but Mutas can't return fire. A skilled Protoss should be able to quite easily kite around Mutas without taking any damage at all.

In theory, this makes range-upgraded Phoenixes a near-perfect counter to mass muta, provided the Protoss has good micro. Of course, Zerg can mix in Corruptors to counter the Phoenixes, but Muta/Corruptor balls aren't nearly as mobile as puta muta balls, so this allows Protoss to more easily respond.

Honestly, this is pretty damn huge, and is gonna really alter the landscape of PvZ.


I agree with awesomoecalypse that the Phoenix upgrade is huuuuge. Phoenix are now, effectively, completely invincible against Mutas. Sure the Zerg can throw in a couple Corrupters, but they do such low damage and are so slow that the Phoenix's can still kill all the mutas before they take significant damage from the Corrupters.
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Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
February 10 2012 18:04 GMT
#468
On February 11 2012 03:00 Iron_ wrote:
Did anyone else think it was funny that he said snipe was "Slightly" (in italics even), then proceeded to tell us he completely cut off the ghosts balls by chopping snipe in HALF? LOL.

Anyway, as far as listening to the community, some of that is here for sure. But I see more threads on T getting hammered late game by P than anything else, and that is never addressed. Now with this change, it will be T getting hammered late game by both P and Z. I guess it is time to get really proficient with cheese and 2 base all in timings.


Seems like it´s time for you to adept... on EU every second T does what you described.

I like the patch overall, how the snipe will pan out - let´s wait and see. Maybe it´s too much of a nerf vs Z, yet vs P it´s more like a buff to be honest. Also that they addressed the phoenix muta situation - big props Blizz & David Kim =)
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 18:05:50
February 10 2012 18:04 GMT
#469
On February 11 2012 03:01 OrbitalPlane wrote:
Good changes, i had like i winrare of ~5% against mutas

Does snip work on psyonic units now?
That means you can snipe sentrys and archons etc?
That would be a big change.


Nothing changed to what Snipe can target. They just redid the damage (similar to how they redid siege tank damage in one of the earliest post-release patches)
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 10 2012 18:04 GMT
#470
T was dominant in GSL... Now they don't even do that... Protoss is still the a-move race
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
February 10 2012 18:04 GMT
#471
On February 11 2012 03:02 Gheed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 03:01 ThaZenith wrote:
These seem like highly intelligent changes. Although someone will have to explain the snipe change, i have no idea what psychic damage even means.

Even gave people back their classic APM, so nice of them.


How can you say they are intelligent changes if you don't' even understand 1/4 of them?


I was obviously referring to the ones I did understand. No need to be a dick, I stated straight up I didn't understand the snipe change.
SolidMoose
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1240 Posts
February 10 2012 18:05 GMT
#472
LOL what a fucking joke. 19 snipes to kill an ultralisk? That's almost 3 and half ghosts with 3 having full energy. This would have made sense with a fungal nerf but...wow. I don't even know what to say. Every terran knows it's impossible to stop BL with vikings alone. They just broke lategame TvZ.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
February 10 2012 18:05 GMT
#473
Also thank god they switched the apm back, that was so dumb.
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
February 10 2012 18:05 GMT
#474
As strange as it sounds I'm also stoked for old APM to be back again too. >.>
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
February 10 2012 18:05 GMT
#475
Phoenix buff looks fucking huge. Bye Bye Mutalisks i guess. ^^

Mule nerf is okay. Ghost nerf...well i don't think it's the right thing as ghosts are like the only thing to counter mass broodlords/infestor for terran. Let's see!

APM back... YAAY!
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
February 10 2012 18:05 GMT
#476
Most people (myself included) predicted the snipe nerf ages ago. Ghosts were good against every single unit zerg could make (except MAYBE roaches). That is terrible design. Now terran will actually need to create a decent mix to handle zerg tier 3 and *gasp* may have to start looking at ravens and Battlecruisers. (This is coming from a Protoss player). The slight buff to psionic doesn't matter much. As someone else mentioned, infestors might die a tad faster. Ghosts will no longer be so amazing against the chargelot heavy mixes we've been seeing (but still be good).

MULE nerf is ok, but meh. Just take golds out entirely, no one will miss them.

Phoenix buff is the most interesting for me. What kind of ratio of phoenix to muta will be needed now? Who knows, depends on micro/upgrades etc. Muta will still have a role in PvZ, you just can't mass them for 5 minutes then a move to win anymore. They will still force a heavy investment to stop, and then you can just switch out of them. The spire has other uses (broodlords, corruptors). Makes the match up more dynamic, I think. Having a lot of phoenix might be even more frustrating for zerg to deal with as well. Might possibly see some sort of air-toss play emerge, if they ever fix the damn carrier.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
February 10 2012 18:05 GMT
#477
I like how the muta buff comes right after the GSL group D lol.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 18:06:01
February 10 2012 18:05 GMT
#478
On February 11 2012 03:04 vthree wrote:
T was dominant in GSL... Now they don't even do that... Protoss is still the a-move race


Dude sometimes we gotta press F too.
MelodyBW
Profile Joined November 2011
Ukraine154 Posts
February 10 2012 18:05 GMT
#479
On February 11 2012 03:03 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 03:01 OrbitalPlane wrote:
Good changes, i had like i winrare of ~5% against mutas

Does snip work on psyonic units now?
That means you can snipe sentrys and archons etc?
That would be a big change.


Snipe only works against light units, sentrys are like mechanical or armoured or some shit and archons are massive anyways, this is the damage they do vs high templar in the case of protoss.


Actually snipe only works against biological units, and sentry is light unit i think.
kinglemon
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany199 Posts
February 10 2012 18:06 GMT
#480
On February 11 2012 02:59 Alvis wrote:
David Kim mentioned problems of mass muta in ZvP and late game chargelot in PvT during Blizzcon.
It is nice to see blizzard taking action on mass muta problem.
But how about late game chargelot problem in PvT?


snipe was ok against some chargelots, now we don't even have that option.
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