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Hey you, yes you, sitting there on the computer. Do you care about the Carrier? Do you want to save her? Than do
something about it!
Show us videos of Carriers in tournaments, you using Carriers on ladder or BW videos showing
Carriers.
Just saw a pro use Carriers in a tournament. Post it here! It wont be in vain. I’ll record it with all the other examples we
have. Been using Carriers to whomp other players in gold league? Post them.. Blizzard developers care about all
levels of play. Are you old enough to remember how awesome the Carrier was in BW? Then post your favorite video
showing great Carrier vs Goliath micro.
Create artwork or a song about the Carrier.
Make us a banner with which to march on those who would deny us. Make a cute Carrier cartoon. Make a propaganda
poster of the Gantrithor “She died so you wouldn’t be enslaved by the Overmind”. Call in that favor Husky owes you to make a music video about the Carrier. The Carrier inspired you, now use your artistic talents to save her.
Most importantly, post.
Tell us why the Carrier is important to you. Even if you never post just do it because your small action can make the difference. So that one day we will live in a world where your children see still see live Carriers in the wild. They can take our Vultures. They can take our Lurkers. But they shall never take our Carriers. We will not go silently into the night. And so by all that you hold dear in this great game, I bid you stand, Sons of Aiur!
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We Must Not!
The carrier is a bad 1a unit that overlaps a lot of other units and does not make sense in the overall Protoss gameplay. Until they change the mechanics of the carrier or make a major change in the race, I think we have to let the carrier go.
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On August 31 2012 02:28 GT350 wrote:
We Must Not!
The carrier is a bad 1a unit that overlaps a lot of other units and does not make sense in the overall Protoss gameplay. Until they change the mechanics of the carrier or make a major change in the race, I think we have to let the carrier go.
Thats the point. We want to SAVE the Carrier because they have NOT buffed it or nerfed it or changed the way it works at all. They have only worked on the Battlecruiser. We want to save the Carrier so they can buff it and or change the way it works. Blizzard getting rid of the Carrier because they won't take the time to make it better is stupid.
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On August 31 2012 02:28 GT350 wrote:
a bad 1a unit
I agree completely!
...Oh wait, sorry, thought we were talking about the colossus.
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I won't be able to win a single PvZ or PvT without carriers in HotS. I better switch to terran. Thanks blizzard for showing me the true race, I don't want to go through all the suffering again with protoss being underpowered.
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On August 31 2012 02:28 GT350 wrote:
We Must Not!
The carrier is a bad 1a unit that overlaps a lot of other units and does not make sense in the overall Protoss gameplay. Until they change the mechanics of the carrier or make a major change in the race, I think we have to let the carrier go.
Have you ever played/watched broodwar? They nerfed it's microability and haven't fixed it since. Should look into these things before coming down on the Carrier. And besides, even if it was a 1a unit, which units is it overlapping? Colossus serves a different role than a carrier. The unit it's being replaced by, the tempest, has the same vulnerabilities and serves the exact same role. It's just cheaper and faster. You'd think they'd give that to the carrier...
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On September 03 2012 02:15 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 02:28 GT350 wrote:
We Must Not!
The carrier is a bad 1a unit that overlaps a lot of other units and does not make sense in the overall Protoss gameplay. Until they change the mechanics of the carrier or make a major change in the race, I think we have to let the carrier go. Have you ever played/watched broodwar? They nerfed it's microability and haven't fixed it since. Should look into these things before coming down on the Carrier. And besides, even if it was a 1a unit, which units is it overlapping? Colossus serves a different role than a carrier. The unit it's being replaced by, the tempest, has the same vulnerabilities and serves the exact same role. It's just cheaper and faster. You'd think they'd give that to the carrier...
The exact same role? No. The carrier's role is a unit that is decent against any unit but not exceptionally good against something either. While the Tempest with it's long range and small dps is really bad against almost everything except specific tasks such as sniping infestors for example from a broodlord infestor composition. Basicly it has a role to snipe vulnerable units from a low immobile army... and even mech isn't that immobile with the new warhounds and hellions, so basicly they will just a move and kill your base before the tempest even shoots.
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On September 03 2012 02:22 Adonminus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 02:15 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 02:28 GT350 wrote:
We Must Not!
The carrier is a bad 1a unit that overlaps a lot of other units and does not make sense in the overall Protoss gameplay. Until they change the mechanics of the carrier or make a major change in the race, I think we have to let the carrier go. Have you ever played/watched broodwar? They nerfed it's microability and haven't fixed it since. Should look into these things before coming down on the Carrier. And besides, even if it was a 1a unit, which units is it overlapping? Colossus serves a different role than a carrier. The unit it's being replaced by, the tempest, has the same vulnerabilities and serves the exact same role. It's just cheaper and faster. You'd think they'd give that to the carrier... The exact same role? No. The carrier's role is a unit that is decent against any unit but not exceptionally good against something either. While the Tempest with it's long range and small dps is really bad against almost everything except specific tasks such as sniping infestors for example from a broodlord infestor composition. Basicly it has a role to snipe vulnerable units from a low immobile army... and even mech isn't that immobile with the new warhounds and hellions, so basicly they will just a move and kill your base before the tempest even shoots.
Same role. They're both ranged air units that siege. Carrier is just unable to utilize it's huge range because of poor interceptor AI. The way their DPS/range works is merely to justify the difference and removal of the other. You really aren't supposed to amove carriers and be decent vs everything. You should be constantly moving in and out, picking off high priority targets with their huge range (which they no longer have). It's like the tempest except with way more micro. It's extremely saddening to see it go out, only to be replaced by such a shitty unit.
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On September 03 2012 02:32 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 02:22 Adonminus wrote:On September 03 2012 02:15 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 02:28 GT350 wrote:
We Must Not!
The carrier is a bad 1a unit that overlaps a lot of other units and does not make sense in the overall Protoss gameplay. Until they change the mechanics of the carrier or make a major change in the race, I think we have to let the carrier go. Have you ever played/watched broodwar? They nerfed it's microability and haven't fixed it since. Should look into these things before coming down on the Carrier. And besides, even if it was a 1a unit, which units is it overlapping? Colossus serves a different role than a carrier. The unit it's being replaced by, the tempest, has the same vulnerabilities and serves the exact same role. It's just cheaper and faster. You'd think they'd give that to the carrier... The exact same role? No. The carrier's role is a unit that is decent against any unit but not exceptionally good against something either. While the Tempest with it's long range and small dps is really bad against almost everything except specific tasks such as sniping infestors for example from a broodlord infestor composition. Basicly it has a role to snipe vulnerable units from a low immobile army... and even mech isn't that immobile with the new warhounds and hellions, so basicly they will just a move and kill your base before the tempest even shoots. Same role. They're both ranged air units that siege. Carrier is just unable to utilize it's huge range because of poor interceptor AI. The way their DPS/range works is merely to justify the difference and removal of the other. You really aren't supposed to amove carriers and be decent vs everything. You should be constantly moving in and out, picking off high priority targets with their huge range (which they no longer have). It's like the tempest except with way more micro. It's extremely saddening to see it go out, only to be replaced by such a shitty unit.
Well then, carriers at least have the dps to pick out high priority targets. Tempests have so poor dps making it so ineffective for their cost, you might just as well just warp in stalkers and suicide them in order to snipe stuff and least be able to use them in direct combat if they survive. I think exactly the same thing though, tempest is a really shitty unit, not balancable, either totally useless (like it is now) or too powerful.
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On August 31 2012 02:15 Archerofaiur wrote:
Hey you, yes you, sitting there on the computer. Do you care about the Carrier? Do you want to save her? Than do
something about it!
Show us videos of Carriers in tournaments, you using Carriers on ladder or BW videos showing
Carriers.
Just saw a pro use Carriers in a tournament. Post it here! It wont be in vain. I’ll record it with all the other examples we
have. Been using Carriers to whomp other players in gold diamond league? Post them.. Blizzard developers care about all
levels of play. Are you old enough to remember how awesome the Carrier was in BW? Then post your favorite video
showing great Carrier vs Goliath micro.
Create artwork or a song about the Carrier.
Make us a banner with which to march on those who would deny us. Make a cute Carrier cartoon. Make a propaganda
poster of the Gantrithor “She died so you wouldn’t be enslaved by the Overmind”. Call in that favor Husky owes you to make a music video about the Carrier. The Carrier inspired you, now use your artistic talents to save her.
Most importantly, post.
Tell us why the Carrier is important to you. Even if you never post just do it because your small action can make the difference. So that one day we will live in a world where your children see still see live Carriers in the wild. They can take our Vultures. They can take our Lurkers. But they shall never take our Carriers. We will not go silently into the night. And so by all that you hold dear in this great game, I bid you stand, Sons of Aiur!
http://drop.sc/246534
Happy to oblige 
I HATE Colossus-wars in PvP so I've been working on a PvP-style that disregards Colossi completely.
This is the first game where it worked reasonably well, in the sense that I actually got my carriers out (usually the game ends before then, both wins and losses). I am by no means saying that this is a 'good' build or that colossi are a bad unit (I love them in the other match-ups), it's just how I like to play (diamond EU, so not high level at all but not absolutely terrible either). Because carriers are funkin' AWESOME!!!
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Another PvZ at high masters level using carriers to win an incredibly close game!
http://drop.sc/246735
RAGEpandas vs Love PvZ Cloud Kingdom
Enjoy!!
P.S. This game is shorter than my others, only a 40 minute game
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Carriers might have been a long range 'seige' unit in SC:BW, but they certainly aren't in SC2, and I don't think they should be. What it is in SC2 is the only protoss unit that can compete DPS wise with Marines and Hydralisk. Don't think of it like a unit like a Stalker, but as a flying barracks, or like a Swarm Host. Now, the Carrier is absolutely terrible compared to any of these options, but it's the best protoss has.
People seem to try and compare it to splash units like Collosus and Templar, but these units are both terrible in SC2, as decent micro hard counters both units, and no amount of micro will save either one. Now it would be ideal if SC2 units actually responded to micro, but protoss units don't, and so we need a unit we can actually use above diamond, eg when the players are capable of the remedial micro needed to hard-counter all ability of protoss to DPS, instead of forcing protoss to hide behind force fields and tink away for a minute or two and hope there is some economic / positional advantage to what they are doing because when the force fields fall there's no way they can handle an equal army.
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Carrier not in newest version of Beta, looks like days are numbered T_________T
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On September 03 2012 19:45 GoldenH wrote:
Carriers might have been a long range 'seige' unit in SC:BW, but they certainly aren't in SC2, and I don't think they should be. What it is in SC2 is the only protoss unit that can compete DPS wise with Marines and Hydralisk. Don't think of it like a unit like a Stalker, but as a flying barracks, or like a Swarm Host. Now, the Carrier is absolutely terrible compared to any of these options, but it's the best protoss has.
People seem to try and compare it to splash units like Collosus and Templar, but these units are both terrible in SC2, as decent micro hard counters both units, and no amount of micro will save either one. Now it would be ideal if SC2 units actually responded to micro, but protoss units don't, and so we need a unit we can actually use above diamond, eg when the players are capable of the remedial micro needed to hard-counter all ability of protoss to DPS, instead of forcing protoss to hide behind force fields and tink away for a minute or two and hope there is some economic / positional advantage to what they are doing because when the force fields fall there's no way they can handle an equal army.
I'm not even sure what any of this is supposed to mean. All I know is, I don't think theres confusion between the Carrier and the Colossus/HT's roles, and carrier is definitely a long range siege unit in SC2.
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Save the carrier!
I will upload replays as soon as I can!
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The worst thing Blizzard has done is not deciding to remove the carrier; it's not even bothering with buffing the carrier to give it a chance. You know if some buffs were introduced like attack while moving or simply reduced build time or increased armor for the carrier or interceptors or interceptor repair after relaunch or just reduced build time for the interceptors or maybe just removing the graviton catapult upgrade and making it something the carrier already has or ANYTHING at all; if they did any of these and the carrier still kept unused I might have endorsed their decision.
However, they just decided to do nothing; they knew it was rarely used; they heard from the pros and the community that some buffs were needed and still they did nothing at all. And even after all that we managed to see the carrier used in a few albeit very high level matches. I guess the community and the players failed Blizzard, they didn't want you to use the carrier at all. I expect Blizzard to nerf the carrier in WoL just to make sure its never used again.
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On September 06 2012 09:44 i)awn wrote:
The worst thing Blizzard has done is not deciding to remove the carrier; it's not even bothering with buffing the carrier to give it a chance. You know if some buffs were introduced like attack while moving or simply reduced build time or increased armor for the carrier or interceptors or interceptor repair after relaunch or just reduced build time for the interceptors or maybe just removing the graviton catapult upgrade and making it something the carrier already has or ANYTHING at all; if they did any of these and the carrier still kept unused I might have endorsed their decision.
However, they just decided to do nothing; they knew it was rarely used; they heard from the pros and the community that some buffs were needed and still they did nothing at all. And even after all that we managed to see the carrier used in a few albeit very high level matches. I guess the community and the players failed Blizzard, they didn't want you to use the carrier at all. I expect Blizzard to nerf the carrier in WoL just to make sure its never used again.
I agree it frustrate me too. What reason could Blizzard have for not buffing the carriers? It seems like they do not want the carrier too be in the game. I mean we have one small buff and even then it seems like it was doing better. If Blizzard had tried then I am sure the carrier would be a useful unit.
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Must construct additional Carrier.
Need more Carrier.
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Honestly, I think the Carrier should be re-adjusted to take the place of the MOTHERSHIP, not the Tempest. Disagree across the board with Tempest hate, being able to snipe units is huge, and it's actually the cheapest of all the Stargate units (50/50 per supply), people just want to be derpy and treat it like an A-Move unit, which it isn't. Criticisms that you can just mass and crush it, is silly because, that's the case in general for Tech. So jeers to anyone who is anti-Tempest.
Now, the Mothership. Seriously, we already have to live with one cheap alien-movie-knock-off unit, do we really need another? Just turn the Mothership into a super-Carrier. Everyone will be happy, and you can leave whatever Mothership skills you want on it (or take them away) and just increase the cost/build time accordingly.
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