EPTWe Must Fight For The Carrier - Page 80
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
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baba1
Canada355 Posts
They will put it back in Legacy of the void and we will all be saved. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On August 25 2012 23:35 baba1 wrote: Don't worry guys, it's a marketing strategy. They will put it back in Legacy of the void and we will all be saved. Ive heard this from a couple of people. Im curious what your reasoning is? | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On August 26 2012 02:03 Archerofaiur wrote: Ive heard this from a couple of people. Im curious what your reasoning is? Denial. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On August 25 2012 23:23 Rorschach wrote: I miss beta voidrays. At least give them +1 range and move speed back at the fleet beacon.... The voidrays need work done on them. Currently the Tempest does +massive damage which makes it further overlap with the tempest. Part of the issue is not looking at protoss air as a whole. The deathball, although overuses, is well designed in giving different units differenr roles, sentry creates favorable positions, zealots tank, stalkers defend collosus and colusus deals damage. Protoss air has some features that could be used, phoenix cc...but all in all there needs to be more synergy. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
Alicia vs Hero http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/91782-summer-arena-alicia-vs-hero-g3 | ||
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Walnut_SC
Canada33 Posts
 Anyways feel free to watch, game number 1 was a longer game... 1 hour and 20 minutes long... + Show Spoiler + http://drop.sc/243778 RAGEpandas vs sMiThor PvZ Entombed Valley http://drop.sc/243777 RAGEpandas vs Gom PvZ Daybreak LE http://drop.sc/243779 RAGEpandas vs VocaloiD PvT Entombed Valley P.S. No making fun of my opponents, only me ♥ | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3571 Posts
Let's save the carrier! Let s make a petition or something! I m sick of being stuck to the ground. I played P in BW mainly for carriers in PvT and Reaver play in PvZ/PvP for the mobility and micro intensive fights it gave (and because the dragoons were stupid, but anyways...) | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On August 28 2012 01:23 WGT-Baal wrote: As a BW Protoss player, I can only agree with the OP! Let's save the carrier! Let s make a petition or something! I m sick of being stuck to the ground. I played P in BW mainly for carriers in PvT and Reaver play in PvZ/PvP for the mobility and micro intensive fights it gave (and because the dragoons were stupid, but anyways...) I think this is the petition... | ||
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RobCorso
United States111 Posts
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cpc
Australia126 Posts
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Knee_of_Justice
United States388 Posts
Things like speed, range, acquisition range, microability, damage/upgrades, interceptor health/armor are all things that can be tweaked without any significant changes in other ares. Hell, Blizzard has even shown willingness to change other things like the carrier interceptor footprint (make it smaller) which was never really an issue and perhaps leads to other issues (fungal lockdown). Blizzard's problem is that they are always very concerned about how they think a unit should be used. It's been a key factor in several of their design/balance decisions (look at mass thor nerfs among others) and not always for the best. When will they realize they cannot just continue to micromanage a huge and competitive game the way they are? Let the carrier stay, and buff it just into the realm of usefulness. The players will do the rest. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On August 28 2012 01:05 RagePandas2 wrote: A few days ago I promised to upload some replays of me using carriers to win games that I highly doubt I would be able to win otherwise. I am a rank 6 Masters protoss player with close to 1600 points so I'm not TERRIBLE Anyways feel free to watch, game number 1 was a longer game... 1 hour and 20 minutes long... + Show Spoiler + http://drop.sc/243778 RAGEpandas vs sMiThor PvZ Entombed Valley http://drop.sc/243777 RAGEpandas vs Gom PvZ Daybreak LE http://drop.sc/243779 RAGEpandas vs VocaloiD PvT Entombed Valley P.S. No making fun of my opponents, only me ♥ Wow man good work. I can't wait to watch those. Why exactly do you think that you couldn't have won the games without Carriers? | ||
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ThirdDegree
United States329 Posts
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Walnut_SC
Canada33 Posts
On August 28 2012 23:30 Archerofaiur wrote: Wow man good work. I can't wait to watch those. Why exactly do you think that you couldn't have won the games without Carriers? The reason I don't think I could have won those games without carriers because for the 2 games vs Zerg, I still think the archon toilet is a big gimmick and The only real way to beat a zerg who has broodlord corruptor infestor is with mass carrier mothership and about 4 archons. This way even if the vortex isnt perfect you will still be able to kill his corruptors, and if he has no broodlords all you have to do is make a few extra archons and focus the middle of the group. When I'm playing vs a Terran I do a very different style, I like to call it Toss Mech. It consists mostly of collosus phoenix immortal, until the very late game where i start to go very carrier heavy and since I go phoenix in the mid game they will be very upgraded carriers vs the Terrans less upgraded vikings. However, in this game, I got a very bad engage vs a meching player, and this were looking pretty terrible, but carriers are incredibly good vs mech, because if you spread the carriers , the Thor splash damage does very little damage. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13429 Posts
On August 29 2012 00:30 RagePandas2 wrote: The reason I don't think I could have won those games without carriers because for the 2 games vs Zerg, I still think the archon toilet is a big gimmick and The only real way to beat a zerg who has broodlord corruptor infestor is with mass carrier mothership and about 4 archons. This way even if the vortex isnt perfect you will still be able to kill his corruptors, and if he has no broodlords all you have to do is make a few extra archons and focus the middle of the group. When I'm playing vs a Terran I do a very different style, I like to call it Toss Mech. It consists mostly of collosus phoenix immortal, until the very late game where i start to go very carrier heavy and since I go phoenix in the mid game they will be very upgraded carriers vs the Terrans less upgraded vikings. However, in this game, I got a very bad engage vs a meching player, and this were looking pretty terrible, but carriers are incredibly good vs mech, because if you spread the carriers , the Thor splash damage does very little damage. I've seen a lot of pro players start to transition into storm so that they can storm the corrupters when they try to kill the mothership. Though I agree, you really need to go air to have a chance against broodlord death balls since their Air to Ground DPS alongside fungal is just way too high. Plus: If you have vortex and air units instead of trying to vortex all the broods you only need to vortex a portion of the army OR you can vortex the overseers if they are clumped up and move too far forward. A Zerg with no detection against a mommaship is a dead zerg after all. | ||
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SayGen
United States1209 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On August 29 2012 00:36 ZeromuS wrote: I've seen a lot of pro players start to transition into storm so that they can storm the corrupters when they try to kill the mothership. Though I agree, you really need to go air to have a chance against broodlord death balls since their Air to Ground DPS alongside fungal is just way too high. Plus: If you have vortex and air units instead of trying to vortex all the broods you only need to vortex a portion of the army OR you can vortex the overseers if they are clumped up and move too far forward. A Zerg with no detection against a mommaship is a dead zerg after all. One of the reasons why air units are quite good against Zerg is their limited anti-air. Hydras, Fungal Growth and Corruptors are the only thing Zerg can effectively use to combat Carriers. Queens dont really count IMO due to the limited number they are usually built, but then Zerg could switch to a massive number of Queens as a way to counter air armies. Storm always has the problem of being ground based and Zerglings are MUCH faster than Protoss units and thus the HTs are pretty vulnerable in comparison to potentially cloaked Carriers. Carriers are also able to abuse terrain, although many of the current maps dont have much terrain to abuse and are pretty open in the center. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
Poll from May 14, 2012 Poll: Which unit would you most like to see removed? Colossus (1057) Marauder (181) Roach (92) Other (70) Infestor (69) Corruptor (39) Mothership (23) Banshee (22) Carrier (18) Nydus Worm (10) 1581 total votes Your vote: Which unit would you most like to see removed? (Vote): Colossus Poll from May 22, 2012 Poll: Most hated protoss unit? Colossus (348) Sentry (54) Void Ray (31) Stalker (14) Phoenix (13) Mothership (13) Immortal (12) Warp Prism (5) 490 total votes Your vote: Most hated protoss unit? (Vote): Stalker Poll from July 24, 2012 Poll: The most Despised Sc2 Unit Collsi (296) Infestors (100) Marines (36) Brood Lords (23) High Templar (10) Dark Templar (9) Medivacs (5) Phoenix/Voidray (5) Carriers/CattleBruiser (4) Reapers/Helions (4) Banelings (4) Siege Tanks (3) 499 total votes Your vote: The most Despised Sc2 Unit (Vote): Collsi The dreaded "War of the Worlds", ie. late game PvP. | ||
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