EPTThis is GSL - TiG Article (BW Pros are coming) - Page 6
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.vid
Croatia227 Posts
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
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Frail
Iceland336 Posts
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
On January 23 2012 18:51 Fionn wrote: It's just going to be like the AFL and NFL back in the day in America. I cannot see both GSL and OSL (which would probably become a SC2 tournament) being around together for years to come. One side will win the War of Korea and the winner will eat the up the other side, leaving just one standing. The winner will probably be the one with the money. So take that as you want. That's quite pessimistic of you to think two individual leagues can't co-exist, especially with how infrequent OSLs are held. MSL existed for years as a counterpart to OSL before MBC pulled the plug. So I can see GSL inheriting the role of being a sister league to OSL. When that time comes, GSL will probably reduce itself to 3-4 times a year as well. I do however think that GSTL will cease to exist next year. It makes sense to have two individual leagues but it does not make sense to have two team leagues. Most likely scenario I'm seeing is GOM will work with OGN casting the Proleague matches just like MBC did. I don't see them doing more than 10-12 teams. So some sc2 teams will die when judgement day comes. I also might think ACE might stop altogether along with perhaps one more BW team disbanding.. perhaps Woojin (Heard there was all but one team that upgraded computers). So I can see all the teams coming together for Proleague next year. So I don't see GSL or OSL dying at all. The problem are the SC2 teams. I really don't want some of them to be assimilated because lets not kid ourselves, the BW teams aren't going to settle for partnerships. I hope Slayers, IM, Prime, oGs, and StarTale find a way to retain themselves and become on par footing with the BW teams. __________ Also, my thoughts on a BW/SC2 combo league format is that it's a terrible idea. Anyone that actually is a fan of ESPORTS should know right now this is just the mere infancy stage. ESPORTS has to evolve as technology does until the point where we are controlling the game though our mind and played on virtual reality stadiums. A combo league just means they would be slowing down progress with indecisiveness. | ||
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Jamial
Denmark1289 Posts
Why would they exclude existing SC2 teams? What gives Broodwar teams the right to dictate anything? Why are the people running the Broodwar league so all-controlling? It seems really fishy. I have no clue how it works, but it seems they control everything - even how teams are set up, in an attempt to make all teams exactly equal. (Which isn't much fun - in my oppinion). | ||
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Nayl
Canada413 Posts
On January 23 2012 19:45 Jamial wrote: I came into the StarCraft world with SC2, and everytime I hear anything about Broodwar, SC1, and the Proteams that are, I just get a worse and worse impression of them, and Broodwar in general. Why would they exclude existing SC2 teams? What gives Broodwar teams the right to dictate anything? Why are the people running the Broodwar league so all-controlling? It seems really fishy. I have no clue how it works, but it seems they control everything - even how teams are set up, in an attempt to make all teams exactly equal. (Which isn't much fun - in my oppinion). It's a speculation..and an unlikely scenario. They are just throwing out a concern because BW scene has lot more money and fear that SC2 pro teams would not have any bargaining power against them; but as long as Gom doesn't abandon the current pro scene, there is very little thing KeSPA can do to make such things happen legally. Besides, even if the teams don't survive because of lack of enough capital, the players (who are good enough) would easily get picked up by the ones with sponsor as these guys are extremely valuable in giving know-hows to the BW players. In the end, this is going to be mostly exciting news, there is no reason to fearmonger over it. | ||
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ROFLOLLER
Poland65 Posts
On January 23 2012 19:45 Jamial wrote: I came into the StarCraft world with SC2, and everytime I hear anything about Broodwar, SC1, and the Proteams that are, I just get a worse and worse impression of them, and Broodwar in general. Why would they exclude existing SC2 teams? What gives Broodwar teams the right to dictate anything? Why are the people running the Broodwar league so all-controlling? It seems really fishy. I have no clue how it works, but it seems they control everything - even how teams are set up, in an attempt to make all teams exactly equal. (Which isn't much fun - in my oppinion). They have money and Kespa dont like gom. | ||
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InternalSync
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
On January 23 2012 19:45 Jamial wrote: I came into the StarCraft world with SC2, and everytime I hear anything about Broodwar, SC1, and the Proteams that are, I just get a worse and worse impression of them, and Broodwar in general. Why would they exclude existing SC2 teams? What gives Broodwar teams the right to dictate anything? Why are the people running the Broodwar league so all-controlling? It seems really fishy. I have no clue how it works, but it seems they control everything - even how teams are set up, in an attempt to make all teams exactly equal. (Which isn't much fun - in my oppinion). Its like in spain 1º division football players, go to play indoor football. With all that huge sponsorships, like nike, adidas,bbva,santander,and long etc. And pretend that nothing will tremble. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On January 23 2012 19:45 RaiKageRyu wrote: That's quite pessimistic of you to think two individual leagues can't co-exist, especially with how infrequent OSLs are held. MSL existed for years as a counterpart to OSL before MBC pulled the plug. So I can see GSL inheriting the role of being a sister league to OSL. When that time comes, GSL will probably reduce itself to 3-4 times a year as well. I do however think that GSTL will cease to exist next year. It makes sense to have two individual leagues but it does not make sense to have two team leagues. Most likely scenario I'm seeing is GOM will work with OGN casting the Proleague matches just like MBC did. I don't see them doing more than 10-12 teams. So some sc2 teams will die when judgement day comes. I also might think ACE might stop altogether along with perhaps one more BW team disbanding.. perhaps Woojin (Heard there was all but one team that upgraded computers). So I can see all the teams coming together for Proleague next year. So I don't see GSL or OSL dying at all. The problem are the SC2 teams. I really don't want some of them to be assimilated because lets not kid ourselves, the BW teams aren't going to settle for partnerships. I hope Slayers, IM, Prime, oGs, and StarTale find a way to retain themselves and become on par footing with the BW teams. __________ Also, my thoughts on a BW/SC2 combo league format is that it's a terrible idea. Anyone that actually is a fan of ESPORTS should know right now this is just the mere infancy stage. ESPORTS has to evolve as technology does until the point where we are controlling the game though our mind and played on virtual reality stadiums. A combo league just means they would be slowing down progress with indecisiveness. You're assuming all players will be free to participate in both tournaments though. That's far from certain at this point. | ||
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.vid
Croatia227 Posts
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Carlin
Norway52 Posts
On January 23 2012 19:14 1sz2sz3sz wrote: I for one welcome our new KeSPA overlords Finally some professionalism. Sticking it to the devil, revolutionary rebel... | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On January 23 2012 19:45 RaiKageRyu wrote: That's quite pessimistic of you to think two individual leagues can't co-exist, especially with how infrequent OSLs are held. MSL existed for years as a counterpart to OSL before MBC pulled the plug. So I can see GSL inheriting the role of being a sister league to OSL. When that time comes, GSL will probably reduce itself to 3-4 times a year as well. I do however think that GSTL will cease to exist next year. It makes sense to have two individual leagues but it does not make sense to have two team leagues. Most likely scenario I'm seeing is GOM will work with OGN casting the Proleague matches just like MBC did. I don't see them doing more than 10-12 teams. So some sc2 teams will die when judgement day comes. I also might think ACE might stop altogether along with perhaps one more BW team disbanding.. perhaps Woojin (Heard there was all but one team that upgraded computers). So I can see all the teams coming together for Proleague next year. So I don't see GSL or OSL dying at all. The problem are the SC2 teams. I really don't want some of them to be assimilated because lets not kid ourselves, the BW teams aren't going to settle for partnerships. I hope Slayers, IM, Prime, oGs, and StarTale find a way to retain themselves and become on par footing with the BW teams. __________ Also, my thoughts on a BW/SC2 combo league format is that it's a terrible idea. Anyone that actually is a fan of ESPORTS should know right now this is just the mere infancy stage. ESPORTS has to evolve as technology does until the point where we are controlling the game though our mind and played on virtual reality stadiums. A combo league just means they would be slowing down progress with indecisiveness. If the GSL is reduced to 3-4 times a year.. would they be able to keep the ship afloat? Is that enough of return of investment to justify their existence? You're probably right about the GSTL disappearing as well, the GSL is really going to be stretched thin. Just my initial thoughts. | ||
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1sz2sz3sz
Andorra173 Posts
On January 23 2012 20:03 InternalSync wrote: If some of Chae's fears come to fruition, the only way they would compete with Kespa is to unite the foreign with the existing Korean SC2 scene. But I wonder what would happen to the foreign scene if the Korean BW and SC2 scene unite under one organization, or at least work closely together. You can say goodbye to the foreign scene No way in hell are the BW teams going to let some white guy train with them. They are ok with it now because they have money, but BW teams have more money than foreign teams. And since they cant speak korean they are of absolute no use to them | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
SC2 current korean poach money from foreinger SC2 BW pro poach money from SC2 current korean foreinger < super foreigner < korean < BW  roNB : super foreigner = HuK, stephano, naniwa, etc | ||
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Ender985
Spain910 Posts
Imho it will only be good that more skilled and hardworking individuals are joining the scene, we will likely see the rise of a whole new array of gameplans and strategies. But I sincerely doubt the elefant is that much of an issue. | ||
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MHT
Sweden1026 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On January 23 2012 20:10 1sz2sz3sz wrote: You can say goodbye to the foreign scene No way in hell are the BW teams going to let some white guy train with them. They are ok with it now because they have money, but BW teams have more money than foreign teams. And since they cant speak korean they are of absolute no use to them CJ and Estro both let Idra train with them even without winning a Courage. One of the main reasons that only three foreigners in the past, what, four years (Nony, Idra and Ret) went to Korea to train with a team is because the foreign scene was miles, and I mean MILES, behind the Korean scene and there really was no use for foreigners in their house. The gap was so large that there really was no point to have any foreigner in your house when even your B-team could crush the guy. I don't think any Korean team, Brood War or SC2, would give a shit if a guy is white or Korean if their skill is on par with the rest of the team and the player is marketable. | ||
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
I don't expect that window will be open for long though, as I'm sure the BW training ethic will kick in and the playing field will be relatively even (I hope). Overall though, I'm looking forward to a higher number of high level SC2 matches - let's just hope the foreigner scene isn't ignored by Kespa  | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
I am really curious as to how this whole transition is going to pan-out per se how many BW teams will snatch-up SC2 Pro's from their teams offering more money and what not. | ||
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