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.vid
Profile Joined July 2011
Croatia227 Posts
January 23 2012 10:19 GMT
#101
kt rolster gonna win gstl ez.
eujjjjj
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
January 23 2012 10:21 GMT
#102
TIme will tell, too much especulations. Some important decisions are beeing made in the background, and based on them, there will be a huge sucess or a huge fail.
Tester | MC | Crank | Flash | Jaedong | MVP
Frail
Profile Joined October 2010
Iceland336 Posts
January 23 2012 10:28 GMT
#103
Interesting info right there!
Whargarbl
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
January 23 2012 10:45 GMT
#104
On January 23 2012 18:51 Fionn wrote:
It's just going to be like the AFL and NFL back in the day in America. I cannot see both GSL and OSL (which would probably become a SC2 tournament) being around together for years to come. One side will win the War of Korea and the winner will eat the up the other side, leaving just one standing.

The winner will probably be the one with the money.

So take that as you want.


That's quite pessimistic of you to think two individual leagues can't co-exist, especially with how infrequent OSLs are held. MSL existed for years as a counterpart to OSL before MBC pulled the plug. So I can see GSL inheriting the role of being a sister league to OSL. When that time comes, GSL will probably reduce itself to 3-4 times a year as well.

I do however think that GSTL will cease to exist next year. It makes sense to have two individual leagues but it does not make sense to have two team leagues.

Most likely scenario I'm seeing is GOM will work with OGN casting the Proleague matches just like MBC did. I don't see them doing more than 10-12 teams. So some sc2 teams will die when judgement day comes. I also might think ACE might stop altogether along with perhaps one more BW team disbanding.. perhaps Woojin (Heard there was all but one team that upgraded computers). So I can see all the teams coming together for Proleague next year.

So I don't see GSL or OSL dying at all. The problem are the SC2 teams. I really don't want some of them to be assimilated because lets not kid ourselves, the BW teams aren't going to settle for partnerships. I hope Slayers, IM, Prime, oGs, and StarTale find a way to retain themselves and become on par footing with the BW teams.

__________

Also, my thoughts on a BW/SC2 combo league format is that it's a terrible idea. Anyone that actually is a fan of ESPORTS should know right now this is just the mere infancy stage. ESPORTS has to evolve as technology does until the point where we are controlling the game though our mind and played on virtual reality stadiums. A combo league just means they would be slowing down progress with indecisiveness.



Someone call down the Thunder?
Jamial
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1289 Posts
January 23 2012 10:45 GMT
#105
I came into the StarCraft world with SC2, and everytime I hear anything about Broodwar, SC1, and the Proteams that are, I just get a worse and worse impression of them, and Broodwar in general.

Why would they exclude existing SC2 teams? What gives Broodwar teams the right to dictate anything? Why are the people running the Broodwar league so all-controlling? It seems really fishy. I have no clue how it works, but it seems they control everything - even how teams are set up, in an attempt to make all teams exactly equal. (Which isn't much fun - in my oppinion).
Flaf?
Nayl
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada413 Posts
January 23 2012 11:01 GMT
#106
On January 23 2012 19:45 Jamial wrote:
I came into the StarCraft world with SC2, and everytime I hear anything about Broodwar, SC1, and the Proteams that are, I just get a worse and worse impression of them, and Broodwar in general.

Why would they exclude existing SC2 teams? What gives Broodwar teams the right to dictate anything? Why are the people running the Broodwar league so all-controlling? It seems really fishy. I have no clue how it works, but it seems they control everything - even how teams are set up, in an attempt to make all teams exactly equal. (Which isn't much fun - in my oppinion).


It's a speculation..and an unlikely scenario. They are just throwing out a concern because BW scene has lot more money and fear that SC2 pro teams would not have any bargaining power against them; but as long as Gom doesn't abandon the current pro scene, there is very little thing KeSPA can do to make such things happen legally.

Besides, even if the teams don't survive because of lack of enough capital, the players (who are good enough) would easily get picked up by the ones with sponsor as these guys are extremely valuable in giving know-hows to the BW players.

In the end, this is going to be mostly exciting news, there is no reason to fearmonger over it.
ROFLOLLER
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland65 Posts
January 23 2012 11:02 GMT
#107
On January 23 2012 19:45 Jamial wrote:
I came into the StarCraft world with SC2, and everytime I hear anything about Broodwar, SC1, and the Proteams that are, I just get a worse and worse impression of them, and Broodwar in general.

Why would they exclude existing SC2 teams? What gives Broodwar teams the right to dictate anything? Why are the people running the Broodwar league so all-controlling? It seems really fishy. I have no clue how it works, but it seems they control everything - even how teams are set up, in an attempt to make all teams exactly equal. (Which isn't much fun - in my oppinion).


They have money and Kespa dont like gom.
InternalSync
Profile Joined December 2011
176 Posts
January 23 2012 11:03 GMT
#108
If some of Chae's fears come to fruition, the only way they would compete with Kespa is to unite the foreign with the existing Korean SC2 scene. But I wonder what would happen to the foreign scene if the Korean BW and SC2 scene unite under one organization, or at least work closely together.
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
January 23 2012 11:04 GMT
#109
On January 23 2012 19:45 Jamial wrote:
I came into the StarCraft world with SC2, and everytime I hear anything about Broodwar, SC1, and the Proteams that are, I just get a worse and worse impression of them, and Broodwar in general.

Why would they exclude existing SC2 teams? What gives Broodwar teams the right to dictate anything? Why are the people running the Broodwar league so all-controlling? It seems really fishy. I have no clue how it works, but it seems they control everything - even how teams are set up, in an attempt to make all teams exactly equal. (Which isn't much fun - in my oppinion).

Its like in spain 1º division football players, go to play indoor football. With all that huge sponsorships, like nike, adidas,bbva,santander,and long etc. And pretend that nothing will tremble.
Tester | MC | Crank | Flash | Jaedong | MVP
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
January 23 2012 11:06 GMT
#110
On January 23 2012 19:45 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 18:51 Fionn wrote:
It's just going to be like the AFL and NFL back in the day in America. I cannot see both GSL and OSL (which would probably become a SC2 tournament) being around together for years to come. One side will win the War of Korea and the winner will eat the up the other side, leaving just one standing.

The winner will probably be the one with the money.

So take that as you want.


That's quite pessimistic of you to think two individual leagues can't co-exist, especially with how infrequent OSLs are held. MSL existed for years as a counterpart to OSL before MBC pulled the plug. So I can see GSL inheriting the role of being a sister league to OSL. When that time comes, GSL will probably reduce itself to 3-4 times a year as well.

I do however think that GSTL will cease to exist next year. It makes sense to have two individual leagues but it does not make sense to have two team leagues.

Most likely scenario I'm seeing is GOM will work with OGN casting the Proleague matches just like MBC did. I don't see them doing more than 10-12 teams. So some sc2 teams will die when judgement day comes. I also might think ACE might stop altogether along with perhaps one more BW team disbanding.. perhaps Woojin (Heard there was all but one team that upgraded computers). So I can see all the teams coming together for Proleague next year.

So I don't see GSL or OSL dying at all. The problem are the SC2 teams. I really don't want some of them to be assimilated because lets not kid ourselves, the BW teams aren't going to settle for partnerships. I hope Slayers, IM, Prime, oGs, and StarTale find a way to retain themselves and become on par footing with the BW teams.

__________

Also, my thoughts on a BW/SC2 combo league format is that it's a terrible idea. Anyone that actually is a fan of ESPORTS should know right now this is just the mere infancy stage. ESPORTS has to evolve as technology does until the point where we are controlling the game though our mind and played on virtual reality stadiums. A combo league just means they would be slowing down progress with indecisiveness.





You're assuming all players will be free to participate in both tournaments though. That's far from certain at this point.
.vid
Profile Joined July 2011
Croatia227 Posts
January 23 2012 11:08 GMT
#111
I guess oGsFin, MC, etc can start packing his bags back to b-team and zergbong can restart his 2v2 practice when this happens. :D
eujjjjj
Carlin
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway52 Posts
January 23 2012 11:08 GMT
#112
On January 23 2012 19:14 1sz2sz3sz wrote:
I for one welcome our new KeSPA overlords

Finally some professionalism.

Sticking it to the devil, revolutionary rebel...
"hurpa derp, I am logical".
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
January 23 2012 11:09 GMT
#113
On January 23 2012 19:45 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 18:51 Fionn wrote:
It's just going to be like the AFL and NFL back in the day in America. I cannot see both GSL and OSL (which would probably become a SC2 tournament) being around together for years to come. One side will win the War of Korea and the winner will eat the up the other side, leaving just one standing.

The winner will probably be the one with the money.

So take that as you want.


That's quite pessimistic of you to think two individual leagues can't co-exist, especially with how infrequent OSLs are held. MSL existed for years as a counterpart to OSL before MBC pulled the plug. So I can see GSL inheriting the role of being a sister league to OSL. When that time comes, GSL will probably reduce itself to 3-4 times a year as well.

I do however think that GSTL will cease to exist next year. It makes sense to have two individual leagues but it does not make sense to have two team leagues.

Most likely scenario I'm seeing is GOM will work with OGN casting the Proleague matches just like MBC did. I don't see them doing more than 10-12 teams. So some sc2 teams will die when judgement day comes. I also might think ACE might stop altogether along with perhaps one more BW team disbanding.. perhaps Woojin (Heard there was all but one team that upgraded computers). So I can see all the teams coming together for Proleague next year.

So I don't see GSL or OSL dying at all. The problem are the SC2 teams. I really don't want some of them to be assimilated because lets not kid ourselves, the BW teams aren't going to settle for partnerships. I hope Slayers, IM, Prime, oGs, and StarTale find a way to retain themselves and become on par footing with the BW teams.

__________

Also, my thoughts on a BW/SC2 combo league format is that it's a terrible idea. Anyone that actually is a fan of ESPORTS should know right now this is just the mere infancy stage. ESPORTS has to evolve as technology does until the point where we are controlling the game though our mind and played on virtual reality stadiums. A combo league just means they would be slowing down progress with indecisiveness.



If the GSL is reduced to 3-4 times a year.. would they be able to keep the ship afloat? Is that enough of return of investment to justify their existence? You're probably right about the GSTL disappearing as well, the GSL is really going to be stretched thin. Just my initial thoughts.

You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
1sz2sz3sz
Profile Joined January 2012
Andorra173 Posts
January 23 2012 11:10 GMT
#114
On January 23 2012 20:03 InternalSync wrote:
If some of Chae's fears come to fruition, the only way they would compete with Kespa is to unite the foreign with the existing Korean SC2 scene. But I wonder what would happen to the foreign scene if the Korean BW and SC2 scene unite under one organization, or at least work closely together.

You can say goodbye to the foreign scene

No way in hell are the BW teams going to let some white guy train with them.

They are ok with it now because they have money, but BW teams have more money than foreign teams. And since they cant speak korean they are of absolute no use to them
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
January 23 2012 11:14 GMT
#115
so the point is, there's fear of

SC2 current korean poach money from foreinger
SC2 BW pro poach money from SC2 current korean

foreinger < super foreigner < korean < BWro


NB : super foreigner = HuK, stephano, naniwa, etc
-Terran-
Ender985
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain910 Posts
January 23 2012 11:14 GMT
#116
So they seem really scared that BW pros will come and sweep the scene clean. However I think it has already been proven that BW skill does not directly correlate to SC2 skill, look at ForGG for a recent example of someone that was supposed to one-handedly win the GSL and got owned fast instead, despite his great micro and innovative strategies.

Imho it will only be good that more skilled and hardworking individuals are joining the scene, we will likely see the rise of a whole new array of gameplans and strategies. But I sincerely doubt the elefant is that much of an issue.
Member of the Pirate Party - direct democracy, institutional transparency, and freedom of information
MHT
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1026 Posts
January 23 2012 11:14 GMT
#117
Winter is coming..
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 23 2012 11:17 GMT
#118
On January 23 2012 20:10 1sz2sz3sz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 20:03 InternalSync wrote:
If some of Chae's fears come to fruition, the only way they would compete with Kespa is to unite the foreign with the existing Korean SC2 scene. But I wonder what would happen to the foreign scene if the Korean BW and SC2 scene unite under one organization, or at least work closely together.

You can say goodbye to the foreign scene

No way in hell are the BW teams going to let some white guy train with them.

They are ok with it now because they have money, but BW teams have more money than foreign teams. And since they cant speak korean they are of absolute no use to them


CJ and Estro both let Idra train with them even without winning a Courage. One of the main reasons that only three foreigners in the past, what, four years (Nony, Idra and Ret) went to Korea to train with a team is because the foreign scene was miles, and I mean MILES, behind the Korean scene and there really was no use for foreigners in their house. The gap was so large that there really was no point to have any foreigner in your house when even your B-team could crush the guy.

I don't think any Korean team, Brood War or SC2, would give a shit if a guy is white or Korean if their skill is on par with the rest of the team and the player is marketable.
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Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
January 23 2012 11:20 GMT
#119
Thinking about it, there will be a reasonably small window where the top SC2 pro's stay at the top level due to the amount of time invested and the game intuition gained from the many hours of practise. This would be the time when they could bring in the most money from the rich BW teams, so there may be a period where we see the top SC2 Koreans changing teams for money.

I don't expect that window will be open for long though, as I'm sure the BW training ethic will kick in and the playing field will be relatively even (I hope).

Overall though, I'm looking forward to a higher number of high level SC2 matches - let's just hope the foreigner scene isn't ignored by Kespa

"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 11:34:04
January 23 2012 11:33 GMT
#120
I'm very intrigued by this and a bit wary at the same time.

I am really curious as to how this whole transition is going to pan-out per se how many BW teams will snatch-up SC2 Pro's from their teams offering more money and what not.
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