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On January 23 2012 20:14 Ender985 wrote:
However I think it has already been proven that BW skill does not directly correlate to SC2 skill, look at ForGG for a recent example of someone that was supposed to one-handedly win the GSL and got owned fast instead, despite his great micro and innovative strategies.
At the time he moved, forGG was a washed up brood war player with barely over 50% win ratio and more on a level of a b-teamer. He was so bad that ACE Reach beat him twice, and Reach was horrible by then.
Tbh, all this forGG hype is made up by you hopeless SC2 fans because you desperately want a good bw player to switch to show that your game is oh-so-more-awesome-then-brood-war. Too bad forGG wasn't nowhere near those expectations.
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Ahh Mr Won, such a boss 
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Le sigh, nice way to start hinting about yet another control-organisation...
I can see what they meant about Coca but more 'professionalism' into an already sterile scene will hardly help attract foreign attention -.- personally I'd much more enjoy the korean scene if they just drop it and act more casual, I would much rather see the MC from HSC than MC from GOMTV studios, by comparison you'd think he'd have a gun pointed at his head. Clash of culture I guess but I think it is rediculous... >_>
That does bring a question to my mind, and sorry if it has already been asked or answered. As a result of a governing body being in charge of Korean SC2, would the Korean players be able to act the way that they do in foreign events? If they choose to attend that is
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There exist a yet untranslated article from Thisisgame here where OGN says that they want to pick up SC2 and that they would like to expand into the foreign market.
So SC2 may not become entirely Korean after all.
This is a part translated which I've seen on Reddit:
Mr. Hwang mentions that he would very much like to pursue a StarCraft 2 league, but that they cannot proceed due to the exclusivity deal between GomTV and Blizzard. He says, "More interest is generated when there is competition, not a monopoly. In order to grow one needs colleagues and competitors," and points out that more competitions will drive players to work harder, and that will be to their benefit. With LoL picking up steam , Mr. Hwang alludes that either GomTV or Blizzard will need to make changes in order to stay competitive.
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On January 23 2012 20:38 paradoxOO9 wrote:Show nested quote +
Le sigh, nice way to start hinting about yet another control-organisation...
I can see what they meant about Coca but more 'professionalism' into an already sterile scene will hardly help attract foreign attention -.- personally I'd much more enjoy the korean scene if they just drop it and act more casual, I would much rather see the MC from HSC than MC from GOMTV studios, by comparison you'd think he'd have a gun pointed at his head. Clash of culture I guess but I think it is rediculous... >_>
That does bring a question to my mind, and sorry if it has already been asked or answered. As a result of a governing body being in charge of Korean SC2, would the Korean players be able to act the way that they do in foreign events? If they choose to attend that is
It's obviously not entirely impossible that they could face consequences if they do something prohibited by the "governing body being in charge of Korean SC2", but i would guess it's more up to the teams to decide how their players should represent themselves / their teams outside of Korea.
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Wouldn't be surprised at all if they (current BW organisations) started up their own tourneys/leagues. Not sure I'd want (from a managers pov) a hugely popular BW pro being thrown into the unknown where it could negatively effect his popularity and standing within esports and therefore his sponsors etc. May as well start a new league where all BW pro's start to play SC2 from a relatively equal footing.
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I think with the emergence of Kespa in SC2 it might be necessary for the foreigner scene to create somewhat of a counterpart (albeit less restricting) to protect the interests of non-korean pros and of koreans hired by western teams. If Kespa plans to exclude the current korean sc2 scene then this will also affect players like Huk, Puma, Hero; Zenio etc. Another thing to consider is that under a new regime Koreans might pressured to not join foreign teams so that the established bw teams will be able to keep the salaries for b-teamers or weaker a-teamer low.
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On January 23 2012 20:36 .vid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 20:14 Ender985 wrote:
However I think it has already been proven that BW skill does not directly correlate to SC2 skill, look at ForGG for a recent example of someone that was supposed to one-handedly win the GSL and got owned fast instead, despite his great micro and innovative strategies. At the time he moved, forGG was a washed up brood war player with barely over 50% win ratio and more on a level of a b-teamer. He was so bad that ACE Reach beat him twice, and Reach was horrible by then. Tbh, all this forGG hype is made up by you hopeless SC2 fans because you desperately want a good bw player to switch to show that your game is oh-so-more-awesome-then-brood-war. Too bad forGG wasn't nowhere near those expectations.
Please tell me you are joking. You are saying the sc2 fans were hyping up forGG, really now?
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On January 23 2012 20:43 StatorFlux wrote:There exist a yet untranslated article from Thisisgame here where OGN says that they want to pick up SC2 and that they would like to expand into the foreign market. So SC2 may not become entirely Korean after all. This is a part translated which I've seen on Reddit: Show nested quote +Mr. Hwang mentions that he would very much like to pursue a StarCraft 2 league, but that they cannot proceed due to the exclusivity deal between GomTV and Blizzard. He says, "More interest is generated when there is competition, not a monopoly. In order to grow one needs colleagues and competitors," and points out that more competitions will drive players to work harder, and that will be to their benefit. With LoL picking up steam , Mr. Hwang alludes that either GomTV or Blizzard will need to make changes in order to stay competitive.
Yes, but this is OGN speaking, not KeSPA. OGN is merely the conduit through which BW games are broadcasted, and KeSPA is the true authority. OGN can have its wishes but its KeSPA who will decide whether they impose those wishes or not, or maybe they will but they'll put their own rules down.
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On January 23 2012 20:43 StatorFlux wrote:There exist a yet untranslated article from Thisisgame here where OGN says that they want to pick up SC2 and that they would like to expand into the foreign market. So SC2 may not become entirely Korean after all. This is a part translated which I've seen on Reddit: Show nested quote +Mr. Hwang mentions that he would very much like to pursue a StarCraft 2 league, but that they cannot proceed due to the exclusivity deal between GomTV and Blizzard. He says, "More interest is generated when there is competition, not a monopoly. In order to grow one needs colleagues and competitors," and points out that more competitions will drive players to work harder, and that will be to their benefit. With LoL picking up steam , Mr. Hwang alludes that either GomTV or Blizzard will need to make changes in order to stay competitive.
That article is more about LoL than SC2. Actually, from what I know GOM and OGN have a pretty good relationship. OGN already casted the WC that was held in busan. The problem, I think, is going to be kespa. I honestly am not sure how they will respond to having to work with Gretech.
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On January 23 2012 20:17 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 20:10 1sz2sz3sz wrote:On January 23 2012 20:03 InternalSync wrote:
If some of Chae's fears come to fruition, the only way they would compete with Kespa is to unite the foreign with the existing Korean SC2 scene. But I wonder what would happen to the foreign scene if the Korean BW and SC2 scene unite under one organization, or at least work closely together. You can say goodbye to the foreign scene No way in hell are the BW teams going to let some white guy train with them. They are ok with it now because they have money, but BW teams have more money than foreign teams. And since they cant speak korean they are of absolute no use to them CJ and Estro both let Idra train with them even without winning a Courage. One of the main reasons that only three foreigners in the past, what, four years (Nony, Idra and Ret) went to Korea to train with a team is because the foreign scene was miles, and I mean MILES, behind the Korean scene and there really was no use for foreigners in their house. The gap was so large that there really was no point to have any foreigner in your house when even your B-team could crush the guy. I don't think any Korean team, Brood War or SC2, would give a shit if a guy is white or Korean if their skill is on par with the rest of the team and the player is marketable.
Agreed. Many of the sc2 foreigners can easily beat many of the b-teamers and even handle some on the main line with relative ease. This obviously wasn't the case with BW XD.
Not to mention, if what they said in the internet is correct and the BW teams are after the lower tier players, then that only ups the chances of foreigners getting into that slot.
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On January 23 2012 20:43 StatorFlux wrote:There exist a yet untranslated article from Thisisgame here where OGN says that they want to pick up SC2 and that they would like to expand into the foreign market. So SC2 may not become entirely Korean after all. This is a part translated which I seen on Reddit: Show nested quote +Mr. Hwang mentions that he would very much like to pursue a StarCraft 2 league, but that they cannot proceed due to the exclusivity deal between GomTV and Blizzard. He says, "More interest is generated when there is competition, not a monopoly. In order to grow one needs colleagues and competitors," and points out that more competitions will drive players to work harder, and that will be to their benefit. With LoL picking up steam [in Korea, much of the rest of the article was about OGN starting their LoL league], Mr. Hwang alludes that either GomTV or Blizzard will need to make changes in order to stay competitive.
It sounds like these exclusive broadcasting rights weren't a very good idea. It's so annoying how much better Riot is than Blizzard at managing this e-sports stuff.
Now that the BW scene is pretty much dead, and Sc2 is an inferior e-sport to LoL (due to Blizzard's own actions) and Dota2 getting more viewers than LoL before it was even released, it seems that the entire e-sports farce was a cash cow type low-risk high reward investment for Blizzard. I don't see how Sc2 will stand a chance against Dota2, especially with the inevitable frustration of early-HotS imbalance on the horizon.
The entire gaming industry is hemorrhaging money. Even Activision-Blizzard isn't doing well (in before fan boys cry that starcraft 2 is successful). I'm a gamer, and I think the current video game model is going to be dead if the companies don't stop looking at short term profits instead of looking at the horrid trend that's happening. Plenty of gamers I know have already moved onto gambling or even sports clubs for crying out loud.
I've seen the future of gaming, and it's Farmville and Angry Birds. I think e-sports is the only thing that can prevent the gaming demographics from becoming all young children and middle aged housewives/husbands.
I just wish there was something we could do to make Blizzard change their minds about the way they approach e-sports. Letters don't seem to be of any effect, especially since they have stated that they won't fund their e-sports scene like riot is doing. I love dota2 and valve, but to be honest, I think Acti-Blizz is the only company with coffers deep enough to challenge the new tablet/phone gaming industry and the console DLC-based industry with an e-sport.
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Damn dude said they might not even recognize them as legit pros. Thats cold.
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On January 23 2012 20:56 Acronysis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 20:17 Fionn wrote:On January 23 2012 20:10 1sz2sz3sz wrote:On January 23 2012 20:03 InternalSync wrote:
If some of Chae's fears come to fruition, the only way they would compete with Kespa is to unite the foreign with the existing Korean SC2 scene. But I wonder what would happen to the foreign scene if the Korean BW and SC2 scene unite under one organization, or at least work closely together. You can say goodbye to the foreign scene No way in hell are the BW teams going to let some white guy train with them. They are ok with it now because they have money, but BW teams have more money than foreign teams. And since they cant speak korean they are of absolute no use to them CJ and Estro both let Idra train with them even without winning a Courage. One of the main reasons that only three foreigners in the past, what, four years (Nony, Idra and Ret) went to Korea to train with a team is because the foreign scene was miles, and I mean MILES, behind the Korean scene and there really was no use for foreigners in their house. The gap was so large that there really was no point to have any foreigner in your house when even your B-team could crush the guy. I don't think any Korean team, Brood War or SC2, would give a shit if a guy is white or Korean if their skill is on par with the rest of the team and the player is marketable. Agreed. Many of the sc2 foreigners can easily beat many of the b-teamers and even handle some on the main line with relative ease. This obviously wasn't the case with BW XD. Not to mention, if what they said in the internet is correct and the BW teams are after the lower tier players, then that only ups the chances of foreigners getting into that slot.
No it doesnt. Why would they pick up low tier foreigners for their team. They arent good and they cant speak Korean. If they want players to get better they should be able to communicate with each other which they cant because of language barrier. Also foreigners seem to have a problem with team house environments and want to go back home asap
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Will BW players dominate sc2 PRO code s players when they switch to SC2? its gonna be interesting to see
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A few things i think that needs to be cleared up... Things can get lost during translation.
1) Nestea never said that one of the IM players was sent to the BW team. He just said that one player did go (not sure which team or which playe).
2) As things stand right now, if BW scene switch to SC2 right now, a lot of current SC2 teams are going to be in trouble. They will just be picked apart by BW teams. That's why coach Won was so adocative toward having a SC2 association in that article. There is still time, but the current SC2 scene is very vulnerable especially when there is a large injection of unregulated cash thrown into it. Ultimately, I think that some teams will have to go when the twine comes even with the association established.
3) it's important to note that GOMTV has to negotiate with KeSPA, not OGN. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the deal between Blizzard and Gretech was for the right to host SC2 related tourneys and matches, not about who can broadcast it. When coach Won is talking about his concerns over how current SC2 teams may become the after thought, he is basically telling GOM that they cannot fuck it up when they negotiate with kespa.
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