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On January 23 2012 18:51 Fionn wrote:
It's just going to be like the AFL and NFL back in the day in America. I cannot see both GSL and OSL (which would probably become a SC2 tournament) being around together for years to come. One side will win the War of Korea and the winner will eat the up the other side, leaving just one standing.
The winner will probably be the one with the money.
So take that as you want.
Well situation is a bit different from yu example. AFL and NFL weren't dependant on a 3rd organization.
It all depends on Blizzard on how he wants to develop korean market (thanks to south korea signing ACTA),
So basically if Blizz wants 2 organisations. We will have 2 organisations.
On January 23 2012 18:55 Sideburn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 17:00 jellyjello wrote:
TIG> Does GOMTV have any plans? Is it possible to do anything about this? You have the sole contract with the Blizzard and have the most SC2 players with GSL and GSTL.
This is the part that is interesting to me. It is likely just my ignorance, but if GOMTV has the sole contract with Blizzard, why are people worried about some other entity starting up an SC2 league and discluding the current SC2 scene. Or will this other entity just disregard GOMTV's exclusive rights?
Well GOM contract is running out. Blizzard only offered "junk contracts" (1-2 years) for broadcast rights. Thats was one of the reasons Kespa didn't introduce SC2. Cause then Blizzard might ditch them after they do all the hard work promoting the new game.
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On January 23 2012 18:51 Fionn wrote:
It's just going to be like the AFL and NFL back in the day in America. I cannot see both GSL and OSL (which would probably become a SC2 tournament) being around together for years to come. One side will win the War of Korea and the winner will eat the up the other side, leaving just one standing.
The winner will probably be the one with the money.
So take that as you want.
That's exactly what i'm thinking as well.
If it's really happening we'll see how it plays out, i personally would support GOM, even though i love the BW players and teams.
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On January 23 2012 18:52 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 18:49 dtz wrote:
So, one of the BW teams has just recently bought an IM player. Wonder who it is and if he no longer wears IM tag. Then we'll know who it is.
Chances are it's jmight be some unknown B-teamer who is brought just to update the BW players with strategies and basic mechanics though. I don't think that's what Nestea meant. I think he was just saying that he wouldn't switch to one of the big companies like SKT1 or KT when they go to SC2 because he makes a comfortable living, but he can see someone who is really good, like Happy, who isn't very popular or get as much money due to not getting to finals would have a different mindset and maybe switch if granted the chance to make a better living.
He said " one player actually went" though.
But of course it might be something lost in translation. If someone could confirm that would be nice.
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On January 23 2012 18:51 Fionn wrote:
It's just going to be like the AFL and NFL back in the day in America. I cannot see both GSL and OSL (which would probably become a SC2 tournament) being around together for years to come. One side will win the War of Korea and the winner will eat the up the other side, leaving just one standing.
The winner will probably be the one with the money.
So take that as you want.
Why would GSL and OSL not be able to coexist? They have different niche audience and if anything, they are positioned far better than MSL-OSL relationship. MBC game and OGN were often times cannibalizing each other's audience, ultimately leading to MBC game's demise.
Gom is different. It has a stable foreign support, as well as a distinctive base in Korea.
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posting for later. going to bed. good god i am a zombie
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"Coach Won> It's a problem. We should all think about this. Frankly, I'm not even sure if BW teams will even acknowledge SC2 teams as a legit professional team. After all, there was a rumor of how they are going to exclude current SC2 scene and all. "
That quote pisses me off. If the BW teams come over to an already established scene and treat them like garbage it would seriously hurt the fan base I think. I'd likely stop watching personally. Why can't both sides respect eachother and work together? That's the best way for SC2 to succeed
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i really hope that when BW teams come over they dont separate themselves from the current sc2 scene. not only would this inflict unneeded drama but it would isolate itself into two communities which wouldnt be the best for sc2 growth imo.
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On January 23 2012 18:56 Nayl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 18:51 Fionn wrote:
It's just going to be like the AFL and NFL back in the day in America. I cannot see both GSL and OSL (which would probably become a SC2 tournament) being around together for years to come. One side will win the War of Korea and the winner will eat the up the other side, leaving just one standing.
The winner will probably be the one with the money.
So take that as you want. Why would GSL and OSL not be able to coexist? They have different niche audience and if anything, they are positioned far better than MSL-OSL relationship. MBC game and OGN were often times cannibalizing each other's audience, ultimately leading to MBC game's demise. Gom is different. It has a stable foreign support, as well as a distinctive base in Korea.
I think it would be best for them if they decided to broadcast on seperate nights and made sure their formats were slightly different. Same player pool for both leagues etc.
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super interesting read, translate overtime for the other parts! lol.
Thanks for your effort.
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There seems to be a big worry here that if there is a mass switch, Kespa could create it own organization and try to cut out the current SC2 scene.
What this would mean (nightmare scenario):
Kespa teams would NOT participate in GSL, appear on GOM.tv, or play against teams currently in the GSL. They would create an separate Star League for themselves, and air on a different broadcasting station. Creating a second parallel, competing SC2 scene.
What is more likely:
Kespa teams are likely to aggressively negotiate with GOM.tv by saying "You either take all our teams and players wholesale, or the scenario above will happen." and either get Code A seeds in mass, or just straight-up buy middle-level teams. Either way there is only so much room for teams and a few (from both sides) will go under.
However, wherever there is talent, there will be profit. Mr.Chae's comment of "As long as the BW players that switch over aren't as good..." is very true. Fans want to see the best players in the world and as long as those players are in the GSL, Gom.tv will be the winner in any sort of power struggle. Additionally, if the switch happens, it will benefit the most talented players, because they'll earn a lot more money (though they might be bought by another team.)
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On January 23 2012 18:55 Sideburn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 17:00 jellyjello wrote:
TIG> Does GOMTV have any plans? Is it possible to do anything about this? You have the sole contract with the Blizzard and have the most SC2 players with GSL and GSTL.
This is the part that is interesting to me. It is likely just my ignorance, but if GOMTV has the sole contract with Blizzard, why are people worried about some other entity starting up an SC2 league and discluding the current SC2 scene. Or will this other entity just disregard GOMTV's exclusive rights?
KeSPA is the masters of doing completely illogical things.
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On January 23 2012 18:59 jamessooy wrote:
There seems to be a big worry here that if there is a mass switch, Kespa could create it own organization and try to cut out the current SC2 scene.
What this would mean (nightmare scenario):
Kespa teams would NOT participate in GSL, appear on GOM.tv, or play against teams currently in the GSL. They would create an separate Star League for themselves, and air on a different broadcasting station. Creating a second parallel, competing SC2 scene.
What is more likely:
Kespa teams are likely to aggressively negotiate with GOM.tv by saying "You either take all our teams and players wholesale, or the scenario above will happen." and either get Code A seeds in mass, or just straight-up buy middle-level teams. Either way there is only so much room for teams and a few (from both sides) will go under.
However, wherever there is talent, there will be profit. Mr.Chae's comment of "As long as the BW players that switch over aren't as good..." is very true. Fans want to see the best players in the world and as long as those players are in the GSL, Gom.tv will be the winner in any sort of power struggle. Additionally, if the switch happens, it will benefit the most talented players, because they'll earn a lot more money (though they might be bought by another team.)
Uh, if KeSPA does decide to switch, OS2L is going to happen. It's not a "nightmare" scenario, because Gom still has exclusive rights to broadcast SC2 in Korea, and KeSPA would need to negotiate with Gretech regardless.
It's not hard to imagine GSL/OSL co-existing considering BW had 2 leagues for nearly a decade.
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Let's hope that the BW and SC2 teams can work together.
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I have no doubt KeSPA would do what they can to phase out the current SC2 scene and GOM along with it, given a chance. I just hope Blizzard has done what they can when negotiating the contract to ensure a coexistence(or a merge) of the two sides.
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On January 23 2012 18:58 -stOpSKY- wrote:
i really hope that when BW teams come over they dont separate themselves from the current sc2 scene. not only would this inflict unneeded drama but it would isolate itself into two communities which wouldnt be the best for sc2 growth imo.
Actually, from a business perspective, it would help sc2 grow. Who ever wins will undoubtedly absorb the other. They'll accomplish this because they have the funds, the sponsors, the management, and the leadership to do so. So while the process will be ugly - the end result will still be a product with the best sc2 players in the world competing in the worlds best tournament.
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On January 23 2012 18:58 mrtomjones wrote:
"Coach Won> It's a problem. We should all think about this. Frankly, I'm not even sure if BW teams will even acknowledge SC2 teams as a legit professional team. After all, there was a rumor of how they are going to exclude current SC2 scene and all. "
That quote pisses me off. If the BW teams come over to an already established scene and treat them like garbage it would seriously hurt the fan base I think. I'd likely stop watching personally. Why can't both sides respect eachother and work together? That's the best way for SC2 to succeed
I do understand where you're coming from believe me I do. But until we hear what the current BW scene want's to do everything else is speculation.
What is going to happen in the end? BW has the big, important korean sponsors. SK Telecom, KT, Samsung and CJ Entus. They are everywhere in Korea. It basicaly doesn't get any bigger than that. Plus they have OGN, an established and stable TV broadcaster with an expirienced production. Training houses, pro mapper, and a running infrastructure. That means they can almost instantly run a starleague and teamleague.
Since a lot of BW teams disbanded and MBC (the former second broadcaster) is closing/switching business, chances are good that the current SC2 scene will survive. I personaly would love to see OGN and GSL partner up for a proleague. Then we'd have a similar setup to what BW had. All teams and players would benefit from such a system.
Let's just wait and see. I'm looking forward to it. Personaly, this would probably bring me back to watching a lot of SC2.
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Thanks a lot for translating this article, it's very interesting and great to finally get some more insight into the SC2 scene in Korea and how it could be potentially changing.
A couple of things I've come out of this with:
1). The April announcement: It sounds like all will be revealed in April. This could be for a few reasons that I can think. Firstly, as Fionn said it would allow a BW announcement to tie in with the conclusion of the 1st Proleague season. But more likely I think, is that GOM's exclusive agreement was for the first two years of SC2 broadcasting, which would end in July assuming in ties in with when the game was released. They could be announcing in April an SC2 league that begins in July, following the end of GOM's exclusive agreement with Blizzard. This makes a lot of sense to me, and would mean they wouldn't be reliant on GOM's agreement to run a league.
2). The fragile state of SC2's current pro teams. I think we were all aware that there wasn't a huge amount of money in the Korean SC2 scene, but I'd never considered it in relation to the BW teams, and the amount of money they have at their disposal due to sponsorship. If Kespa are able to start their own SC2 league outside of any agreement with GOM, then I'm worried that they will be able to completely exclude the existing Korean SC2 scene. They will have a large local fan base (based on existing BW support), and maybe based on the sponsors, etc, the foreign scene wouldn't be as important to them. I hope I'm wrong on this.
Personally, I hope that Kespa and GOM can work together to create a strong SC2 scene in Korea, where there are several leagues, many strong teams and plenty of opportunities for both Koreans and Foreigners to play SC2 in Korea. GOM has done a great job of being open to the foreigner community and I hope Kespa can see the benefits in that and take the same approach.
On a final note, just want to say I'm a little disappointed with Wolf's insider "this is embarrassing" comment as posting that without qualifying it at all is the same as kicking sand in the face of those of us who don't have insider information.
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I for one welcome our new KeSPA overlords
Finally some professionalism.
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On January 23 2012 19:10 Jayson X wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 18:58 mrtomjones wrote:
"Coach Won> It's a problem. We should all think about this. Frankly, I'm not even sure if BW teams will even acknowledge SC2 teams as a legit professional team. After all, there was a rumor of how they are going to exclude current SC2 scene and all. "
That quote pisses me off. If the BW teams come over to an already established scene and treat them like garbage it would seriously hurt the fan base I think. I'd likely stop watching personally. Why can't both sides respect eachother and work together? That's the best way for SC2 to succeed I do understand where you're coming from believe me I do. But until we hear what the current BW scene want's to do everything else is speculation. What is going to happen in the end? BW has the big, important korean sponsors. SK Telecom, KT, Samsung and CJ Entus. They are everywhere in Korea. It basicaly doesn't get any bigger than that. Plus they have OGN, an established and stable TV broadcaster with an expirienced production. Training houses, pro mapper, and a running infrastructure. That means they can almost instantly run a starleague and teamleague. Since a lot of BW teams disbanded and MBC (the former second broadcaster) is closing/switching business, chances are good that the current SC2 scene will survive. I personaly would love to see OGN and GSL partner up for a proleague. Then we'd have a similar setup to what BW had. All teams and players would benefit from such a system. Let's just wait and see. I'm looking forward to it. Personaly, this would probably bring me back to watching a lot of SC2.
Yah I agree with the wait and see. It still bugs me that some of them are worried about that though. Working together would be best for both their futures. I wouldn't expect every current SC2 team to survive, however, it should be most advantageous to continue the work that Gom has done. Gom reached out to us the foreigners and that to me seems very key to long term success. If BW came and had a second league as you say and had a partnership of sorts I'd be stoked.... wait and see though... yes.. 
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One thing to think about: GOM has been working really really hard to cater to the foreign market. Foreigners pay to see GOMTV, they watch OGN on Nanashin's stream. GOM could potentially end up being crushed by the Korean market but subsisting on delicious foreign dollars.
That's probably why they advertise their yearly pass so much.
Still, a GSL and an OS2L at the same time would be amazing. GOM could end up being the MSL of SC2.
I expect most of the SC2 teams to collapse, and fold into each other/BW teams, with Zenex being eated by IM being eaten by CJ Entus.
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