• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:48
CEST 05:48
KST 12:48
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League32Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.164Rollback Netcode in Brood War1295.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202624Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.16 No more sc2 streamers on team liquid? Server Blocker SCII needs to put more weight on strategy and tact Terran AddOns placement
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) $3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
[Megathread] Daily Funny Videos BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Rollback Netcode in Brood War Hands of Pluto Mineral gathering rate (boosted) for each patch
Tourneys
[ASL22] Grand Finals [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
The Link Between Gaming and …
TrAiDoS
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10291 users

This is GSL - TiG Article (BW Pros are coming) - Page 3

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 17 18 19 Next All
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
January 23 2012 08:51 GMT
#41
Haha! I expected the Korean govt. (Kespa) to switch the BW teams to to SC2 within about 2 years, but apparently they're really hustling things .
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
January 23 2012 08:51 GMT
#42
On January 23 2012 17:51 Wolf wrote:
This is embarrassing.


How so?
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
January 23 2012 08:53 GMT
#43
On January 23 2012 17:18 Subversive wrote:
Show nested quote +
Mr. Chae> Our stance is that there is no problem as long as current SC2 players perform better than BW pros when they switch.


I don't know what this is supposed to mean.


It means that GOMTV doesn't care who is in their league. Actually I'm sure they want BW teams in their league. It will boost their business. Remember that their contract with Blizzard runs until next year.
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
January 23 2012 08:54 GMT
#44
On January 23 2012 17:42 Fionn wrote:
If they're saying April, then it's probably what a lot of people suspected. That the first season of Proleague will be Brood War and then they will have that Grand Final as a send-off before the second season is entirely Starcraft 2 starting in April.

I think this could be fun. Maybe have the GSTL champions face the Proleague champions in a Super Bowl-like event. Would probably make a lot of cash.

That would actually be cool. The problem would be who would produce it? GOM or the BW side (since im not into BW scene i dont know which station is doing it)
lightrise
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1355 Posts
January 23 2012 08:54 GMT
#45
This is going to be crazy. Nestea knows that the top teams are already trying to snipe the undiscovered talent. He notes that they are trying to harvest players that have great potential and for cheap instead of buying up the "top players". They know that in the end hopefully their players will be better than the current generation of sc2 pros. This is pretty scary that they might exclude the current teams all together. Not sure how this would work since many sc1 pros have already come over and done well or alright. No one is just mind boggling good.
Awesome german interviewer: "What was your idea going into games against Idra" "I WANTED TO USE A CHEESE STRATEGY BECAUSE IDRA IS KNOWN TO TILT AFTER LOSING TO SOMETHING GAY" Demuslim
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
January 23 2012 08:56 GMT
#46
On January 23 2012 17:44 Nayl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 17:37 lbmaian wrote:
Out of all the Korean SC2 teams, I'd expect Slayers to be the most financially stable. Just look at how often they poach players from other teams and have two very prominent sponsors (Intel and Razer).

I wonder how Slayers finances compare with the BW teams, even the lowest-paid ones.


I doubt Slayers would come anywhere close to any of the BW team (except for ACE) financially. Quick searching around shows that Intel provided Boxer personally with around $200,000 and another $300,000 to run the team. Source

That's like maybe half of salary budget for an average BW team.

Iirc running a BW team costs around 2-3 million a year.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
Balgrog
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1221 Posts
January 23 2012 08:56 GMT
#47
Great translation and thank you! I think the most interesting part of this article that hasnt been brought up before is if BW teams will just exclude the current SC2 team because of there money and influence. When they do finally make the switch, we had better be prepared for the shit storm of drama that's incoming.
The only way to attack structure is with chaos.
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
January 23 2012 08:59 GMT
#48
On January 23 2012 17:37 lbmaian wrote:
Out of all the Korean SC2 teams, I'd expect Slayers to be the most financially stable. Just look at how often they poach players from other teams and have two very prominent sponsors (Intel and Razer).

I wonder how Slayers finances compare with the BW teams, even the lowest-paid ones.


Slayers is doing not bad because of the name "Boxer" and Jessica has some connections. Also I heard Prime isn't too bad either
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
January 23 2012 08:59 GMT
#49
This is super interesting, thanks for translating this !
XThunderyX
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States367 Posts
January 23 2012 09:01 GMT
#50
As long as KESPA doesn't feel like going super power hungry on the scene I don't think the switch will be terrible, as long as teams are willing to merge or dissolve under a united union like SC2CON or Kespa or whatever. I mean, looking at the current BW teams: KT, Khan, Stars, CJ, T1, Stx, Ace, Team 8
I can easily see two easily dissolved teams, Ace and Team 8.
And looking at the current SC2 teams: IM, MVP, HoSeo, Startale, OGS, TSL, Prime, Zenex, FXO, Slayers
Zenex and TSL come to mind when thinking of merging with other teams. So this leaves us with 14 teams. Maybe merge two more teams and boom, 12 easily stable teams to make a proleague with.

Of course the issue is getting everybody happy to agree with this >.> But just my 2 cents.
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
January 23 2012 09:01 GMT
#51
THe other thing behind it , is that , the korean audience, would watch it more, if there are BW teams involved. As well as myself XD. And, too much egoism right here, everyone wants to protect their own interests besides let e-sports grow overall in south korea. Why? Because gom , obviusly is just saying that they are worry for the teams, but in reality, they are worried for their own channel only.
Tester | MC | Crank | Flash | Jaedong | MVP
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 09:06:47
January 23 2012 09:03 GMT
#52
On January 23 2012 17:13 Bleak wrote:
I don't think the top BW folk will switch as long as there is demand for BW in Korea, and there still is. The last proleague finals were quite a success, though I remember from some other articles that things were much bigger in 2007 or so. Stork also had an interview and he said as long as there is demand for BW competition, he'll play BW.



I don't think demand for BW is the be all end all. It's no secret that BW is backed by significantly more influential sponsors than SC2 in Korea, but if those sponsors feel that supporting a player switch and promoting it will be enough to also bring over significant amounts of BW viewers to SC2 then they can retain a good amount of their target viewership in Korea while tapping into the now significantly bigger global market.

At the end of the day if the powers that be think it'll be more profitable and sustainable to make the switch it'll probably happen.

On January 23 2012 17:18 Subversive wrote:
Show nested quote +
Mr. Chae> Our stance is that there is no problem as long as current SC2 players perform better than BW pros when they switch.


I don't know what this is supposed to mean.


As long as SC2 players are better than most BW players for a while after any switch (though we've heard for a while now there's a lot of them practicing, and NesTea's comments suggests as much) there's no real issue because the established sc2 scene will still have the better players and as such shouldn't be able to get cut out of any transition.

====

Really interesting read tbh, great selection of interviewees too, I thought they all offered some different but equally interesting perspectives on the topics at hand.

Would love if someone wanted to translate the whole thing? *hint hint*

On January 23 2012 17:59 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 17:37 lbmaian wrote:
Out of all the Korean SC2 teams, I'd expect Slayers to be the most financially stable. Just look at how often they poach players from other teams and have two very prominent sponsors (Intel and Razer).

I wonder how Slayers finances compare with the BW teams, even the lowest-paid ones.


Slayers is doing not bad because of the name "Boxer" and Jessica has some connections. Also I heard Prime isn't too bad either


Prime did the whole PrimeZzang thing right? I thought that was bizarre at first but it really seems to have given them some serious self-sustainability which is cool. Of course part of that is dependant on them remaining relevant to market it.
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
January 23 2012 09:08 GMT
#53
On January 23 2012 17:56 Balgrog wrote:
Great translation and thank you! I think the most interesting part of this article that hasnt been brought up before is if BW teams will just exclude the current SC2 team because of there money and influence. When they do finally make the switch, we had better be prepared for the shit storm of drama that's incoming.


I think it's almost given that kespa will have their own tourney / league. That's why the TIG reporter kept going after GOM in that article because it's going to be GOM who will have to negotiate the deal
vanhio
Profile Joined November 2010
Niue1017 Posts
January 23 2012 09:10 GMT
#54
My dream scenario - Mvp goes to KT and then Flash and MVP rule the sc2 scene for decades :-)
Psi-Kick
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia182 Posts
January 23 2012 09:11 GMT
#55
Thanks for translating this, I wonder what is said in the other 4 parts?
Prime | MKP <333
Coal
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden1535 Posts
January 23 2012 09:12 GMT
#56
On January 23 2012 17:54 Frankon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 17:42 Fionn wrote:
If they're saying April, then it's probably what a lot of people suspected. That the first season of Proleague will be Brood War and then they will have that Grand Final as a send-off before the second season is entirely Starcraft 2 starting in April.

I think this could be fun. Maybe have the GSTL champions face the Proleague champions in a Super Bowl-like event. Would probably make a lot of cash.

That would actually be cool. The problem would be who would produce it? GOM or the BW side (since im not into BW scene i dont know which station is doing it)



I second this :O Would be amazing!
In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
January 23 2012 09:15 GMT
#57
On January 23 2012 17:51 GreyKnight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 17:51 Wolf wrote:
This is embarrassing.


How so?


He probably won't answer. Which is a bummer because he probably knows some inside information and his remark is based on what he knows and how that compares to the article (which makes it even more interesting).

Which begs the question why even post something so ambiguous in the first place?
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
naux
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada738 Posts
January 23 2012 09:20 GMT
#58
people are saying they cant wait till sc1 pros come to sc2 to dominate the scene.. but in honesty i believe its like sc2 players vsing sc1 players and i hope transition wont be foreigners to koreans anymore and i hope they make a world championship having the starcraft 2 players vsing the newer of the old starcraft 1 pros.. i only started watching starcraft from starcraft 2 so all these brood war players i honestly could care less and i would rather see MVP, MMA, Huk, idrA dominate the sc1 players and show them whats up since there coming into SC2
FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
January 23 2012 09:20 GMT
#59
That translation brings up a lot of awesome subjects. I really hope more and more attention is brought to SC2. The one disappointing thing though of course is the funding of SC2 teams which is rather sad.
Nerf MMMT!!! Liquid`Ret Hwaiting!!!
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 09:23:40
January 23 2012 09:23 GMT
#60
i say bring them on. sc2 teams will rip them a new one, idc who they are, sc2 is a different faster paced game that takes months of practice to get good at.
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Wheres the counter?"
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 17 18 19 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
08:00
Continental Nation League S1
CranKy Ducklings30
Liquipedia
BSL Open Qualifier
04:00
Pro & Gosu - Last Chance #2
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 172
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2648
GuemChi 1616
Shuttle 585
ProTech133
HiyA 43
Aegong 35
League of Legends
JimRising 758
Counter-Strike
Fnx 1158
taco 435
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox863
C9.Mang0758
Other Games
summit1g6955
WinterStarcraft397
PiGStarcraft309
Livibee196
Maynarde118
RuFF_SC239
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick691
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH84
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP12
• Nickrosys5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Scarra1179
• Rush824
• Lourlo782
Other Games
• Shiphtur409
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Weekly
7h 13m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 7h
PiGosaur Cup
1d 20h
The PondCast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
FEL
5 days
FEL
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.