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On January 19 2012 13:43 PhiliBiRD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 13:40 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On January 19 2012 13:37 HyTex wrote:
Doesn't iNcontroL own the team, at least in part? If not he might one day get cut as well.. Watching EG's practice sessions has made it pretty apparent, I think, that iNcontroL has immense value to the organization beyond results as a player. He's the most articulate player they have, the most camera-friendly and sponsor-friendly player they have, and when someone needs to crack the whip or say 'hey, you need to buckle down and work harder,' it's Geoff. I liked him for his personality beforehand, but I've gained an enormous amount of respect for him over the course of the EG practice streams. Incontrol doesn't own the team. I think Scoots owns it? but maybe im wrong and hes just the head manager. Incontrol just has a very strong following, and is great for PR. He's also very camera friendly so I can see why he will be sticking around. also im curious as to who axslav got signed on with
I know Geoff doesn't own the team. I'm talking about the second part of that; the 'he might get cut' part. His presence as the team's captain and de facto spokesperson, I think, makes him as valauble as someone who puts up much better results.
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On January 19 2012 13:45 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 13:43 PhiliBiRD wrote:On January 19 2012 13:40 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On January 19 2012 13:37 HyTex wrote:
Doesn't iNcontroL own the team, at least in part? If not he might one day get cut as well.. Watching EG's practice sessions has made it pretty apparent, I think, that iNcontroL has immense value to the organization beyond results as a player. He's the most articulate player they have, the most camera-friendly and sponsor-friendly player they have, and when someone needs to crack the whip or say 'hey, you need to buckle down and work harder,' it's Geoff. I liked him for his personality beforehand, but I've gained an enormous amount of respect for him over the course of the EG practice streams. Incontrol doesn't own the team. I think Scoots owns it? but maybe im wrong and hes just the head manager. Incontrol just has a very strong following, and is great for PR. He's also very camera friendly so I can see why he will be sticking around. also im curious as to who axslav got signed on with I know Geoff doesn't own the team. I'm talking about the second part of that; the 'he might get cut' part. His presence as the team's captain and de facto spokesperson, I think, makes him as valauble as someone who puts up much better results.
He's more valuable than pretty much everyone on EG except Idra Puma and Huk.
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On January 19 2012 13:34 Enzymatic wrote:
Not sure why people are taking shots at strifecro and axslav about results lately.. IdrA has put up about as much for results as they have in the past months. Results as in.. Absolutely nothing.
Are you serious? Idra won Guangzhou asusrog and early last year he won ipl1. Idra consistantly places highly on tournaments. Before someone calls me an idra fanboy just know I created the cruncher fan club.
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Awww that's kinda sad :-/ I don't understand how they left LZgamer on the team and kicked off Axslav though!?
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Didn't surprise at all. Kinda expected.
better late than never
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On January 19 2012 13:37 Angelbelow wrote:
Is everyone sad because EG is losing 2 great players or because Axslav and strifecro are teamless?
I'd imagine its because axslav and strife are teamless right? Why would this be a bad thing for them? They have an opportunity to pursue smaller market teams that can give them more focus and attention. Axslav and strifecro will probably get better situations on other teams than EG can justify. I doubt you'll hear Ax or strife say being on EG was detrimental to their career. They're probably both thankful for the opportunity. Its a different chapter, there's no need to be sad.
This kind of reminds me of the steel series and grubby situation, just because steelseries dropped grubby doesnt mean we should stop supporting either party. Grubby will land on his feet and have the opportunity to acquire different sponsors or perhaps join up with a team and steelseries will continue supporting esports. Two players who haven't achieved great results are now teamless. It's hard to patronize people who are sad and only see the glass as half-empty.
I don't see many comments saying they'll stop supporting any of these parties.
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On January 19 2012 13:48 xlava wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 13:45 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On January 19 2012 13:43 PhiliBiRD wrote:On January 19 2012 13:40 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On January 19 2012 13:37 HyTex wrote:
Doesn't iNcontroL own the team, at least in part? If not he might one day get cut as well.. Watching EG's practice sessions has made it pretty apparent, I think, that iNcontroL has immense value to the organization beyond results as a player. He's the most articulate player they have, the most camera-friendly and sponsor-friendly player they have, and when someone needs to crack the whip or say 'hey, you need to buckle down and work harder,' it's Geoff. I liked him for his personality beforehand, but I've gained an enormous amount of respect for him over the course of the EG practice streams. Incontrol doesn't own the team. I think Scoots owns it? but maybe im wrong and hes just the head manager. Incontrol just has a very strong following, and is great for PR. He's also very camera friendly so I can see why he will be sticking around. also im curious as to who axslav got signed on with I know Geoff doesn't own the team. I'm talking about the second part of that; the 'he might get cut' part. His presence as the team's captain and de facto spokesperson, I think, makes him as valauble as someone who puts up much better results. He's more valuable than pretty much everyone on EG except Idra Puma and Huk.
As far as sponsor ROI perhaps he is even more valuable to the team than the rest of them combined. His stream is very popular though not as popular as Huk or Idra. He is on every show and makes sure to shout out the sponsors names as much as possible. He never forgets them in interviews as well. Winning a tournament means more to the player than the team, though the team benefits a simple "couldn't have done this without my steelseries 6gv2" goes a long way for the sponsors. Geoff suggesting people email the sponsors as well does a ton for the team. I think currently he is near the last place as far as skill goes, but he does so much for the team I doubt they would ever drop him especially since he is going to Korea soon I think.
On January 19 2012 13:52 FlamingTurd wrote:
Awww that's kinda sad :-/ I don't understand how they left LZgamer on the team and kicked off Axslav though!?
Despite LZgamer being nearly as bad as them I thnk he probably beats those two on a regular baisis. Though I actually prefer the two of them over LZgamer because they were willing to take the beating of living in a team house to attempt to get better while he couldn't leave the safety of his mom's house unless it was a 3 day weekend tournament -_-
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as a 2v2 specialist, they actually sucked as a team. constantly letting the team down in competitions. so there was no justification to keeping them around. at least incontrol is popular and helps the community, there was just loss money invested in those two.
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On January 19 2012 13:56 domane wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 13:37 Angelbelow wrote:
Is everyone sad because EG is losing 2 great players or because Axslav and strifecro are teamless?
I'd imagine its because axslav and strife are teamless right? Why would this be a bad thing for them? They have an opportunity to pursue smaller market teams that can give them more focus and attention. Axslav and strifecro will probably get better situations on other teams than EG can justify. I doubt you'll hear Ax or strife say being on EG was detrimental to their career. They're probably both thankful for the opportunity. Its a different chapter, there's no need to be sad.
This kind of reminds me of the steel series and grubby situation, just because steelseries dropped grubby doesnt mean we should stop supporting either party. Grubby will land on his feet and have the opportunity to acquire different sponsors or perhaps join up with a team and steelseries will continue supporting esports. Two players who haven't achieved great results are now teamless. It's hard to patronize people who are sad and only see the glass as half-empty. I don't see many comments saying they'll stop supporting any of these parties.
Yeah unfortunately this is the free-market of SC2 pro gaming. Only the strong survive, and only the strong will continue to resurface. Axslav is a good player, but is he truly at Huk level? No, so either he has to practice more to get there, or he'll eventually fall off the radar. Everyone realizes that, and everyone should know thats the unfortunate reality of the situation, and why most look at the glass as half empty.
Sure its an opportunity, but its simultaneously the first step backwards in terms of a pro gaming career, where normal progression would be: get known -> join a team -> get better -> get good enough to win tournaments -> win tournaments.
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Wasn't this announced like a month ago?
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I wonder which two players will get to inherit the 2 person closet axslav and strifecro were living in O.O
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On January 19 2012 14:03 Skullflower wrote:
Wasn't this announced like a month ago? Nope.
Really wondering know who picked up Axslav...
Quantic? ItsGosu? compLexity? iS? mouz? dignitas? eSahara? Fnatic? ... hmm maybe a smaller team to but I hope not ^_^
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On January 19 2012 13:56 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 13:48 xlava wrote:On January 19 2012 13:45 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On January 19 2012 13:43 PhiliBiRD wrote:On January 19 2012 13:40 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On January 19 2012 13:37 HyTex wrote:
Doesn't iNcontroL own the team, at least in part? If not he might one day get cut as well.. Watching EG's practice sessions has made it pretty apparent, I think, that iNcontroL has immense value to the organization beyond results as a player. He's the most articulate player they have, the most camera-friendly and sponsor-friendly player they have, and when someone needs to crack the whip or say 'hey, you need to buckle down and work harder,' it's Geoff. I liked him for his personality beforehand, but I've gained an enormous amount of respect for him over the course of the EG practice streams. Incontrol doesn't own the team. I think Scoots owns it? but maybe im wrong and hes just the head manager. Incontrol just has a very strong following, and is great for PR. He's also very camera friendly so I can see why he will be sticking around. also im curious as to who axslav got signed on with I know Geoff doesn't own the team. I'm talking about the second part of that; the 'he might get cut' part. His presence as the team's captain and de facto spokesperson, I think, makes him as valauble as someone who puts up much better results. He's more valuable than pretty much everyone on EG except Idra Puma and Huk. As far as sponsor ROI perhaps he is even more valuable to the team than the rest of them combined. His stream is very popular though not as popular as Huk or Idra. He is on every show and makes sure to shout out the sponsors names as much as possible. He never forgets them in interviews as well. Winning a tournament means more to the player than the team, though the team benefits a simple "couldn't have done this without my steelseries 6gv2" goes a long way for the sponsors. Geoff suggesting people email the sponsors as well does a ton for the team. I think currently he is near the last place as far as skill goes, but he does so much for the team I doubt they would ever drop him especially since he is going to Korea soon I think. Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 13:52 FlamingTurd wrote:
Awww that's kinda sad :-/ I don't understand how they left LZgamer on the team and kicked off Axslav though!? Despite LZgamer being nearly as bad as them I thnk he probably beats those two on a regular baisis. Though I actually prefer the two of them over LZgamer because they were willing to take the beating of living in a team house to attempt to get better while he couldn't leave the safety of his mom's house unless it was a 3 day weekend tournament -_-
Not to mention, his girlfriend is their house manager and he helped to form their StarCraft II team. iNcontrol isn't going anywhere :D
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On January 19 2012 13:48 xlava wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 13:45 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On January 19 2012 13:43 PhiliBiRD wrote:On January 19 2012 13:40 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On January 19 2012 13:37 HyTex wrote:
Doesn't iNcontroL own the team, at least in part? If not he might one day get cut as well.. Watching EG's practice sessions has made it pretty apparent, I think, that iNcontroL has immense value to the organization beyond results as a player. He's the most articulate player they have, the most camera-friendly and sponsor-friendly player they have, and when someone needs to crack the whip or say 'hey, you need to buckle down and work harder,' it's Geoff. I liked him for his personality beforehand, but I've gained an enormous amount of respect for him over the course of the EG practice streams. Incontrol doesn't own the team. I think Scoots owns it? but maybe im wrong and hes just the head manager. Incontrol just has a very strong following, and is great for PR. He's also very camera friendly so I can see why he will be sticking around. also im curious as to who axslav got signed on with I know Geoff doesn't own the team. I'm talking about the second part of that; the 'he might get cut' part. His presence as the team's captain and de facto spokesperson, I think, makes him as valauble as someone who puts up much better results. He's more valuable than pretty much everyone on EG except Idra Puma and Huk.
If I had to guess, I'd say he's below Idra and Puma, but ahead of HuK. Complete guess though. Idra is easily the most popular player on the team and Puma was their entry into the Korean market.
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this is world of professional gaming, you either entertain or you either get results, if you can't deliver either, no reason for the company to hire you.
JYP better step it up, cause his play looked disgusting in GSL
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On January 19 2012 14:07 Bleaurgh wrote:
I wonder which two players will get to inherit the 2 person closet axslav and strifecro were living in O.O
Way to not even mention the free EG shirts.
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Axslav will do well outside of EG, hes been breaking a little bit out of his shell of recent so on another team without players to overshadow him he'll have a lot more attention than he would on EG. Strifecro I don't think will benefit from this much, especially if he leaves the EG house.
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saw these two play in a bunch of playhems, even winning some. thought they were solid players, I think they would be better fit on a mid level team, best of luck to those two.
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On January 19 2012 14:10 MildSeven wrote:
JYP better step it up, cause his play looked disgusting in GSL
Yeah what the heck is with that anyway? + Show Spoiler + w/r against Terran? Seriously? Did EG actually consider this?
I mean he did come in + Show Spoiler + in HSCIV but GSL is really the only tournament that matters... Hopefully he'll break out and it'll all be good.
On January 19 2012 14:10 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 13:48 xlava wrote:On January 19 2012 13:45 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On January 19 2012 13:43 PhiliBiRD wrote:On January 19 2012 13:40 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On January 19 2012 13:37 HyTex wrote:
Doesn't iNcontroL own the team, at least in part? If not he might one day get cut as well.. Watching EG's practice sessions has made it pretty apparent, I think, that iNcontroL has immense value to the organization beyond results as a player. He's the most articulate player they have, the most camera-friendly and sponsor-friendly player they have, and when someone needs to crack the whip or say 'hey, you need to buckle down and work harder,' it's Geoff. I liked him for his personality beforehand, but I've gained an enormous amount of respect for him over the course of the EG practice streams. Incontrol doesn't own the team. I think Scoots owns it? but maybe im wrong and hes just the head manager. Incontrol just has a very strong following, and is great for PR. He's also very camera friendly so I can see why he will be sticking around. also im curious as to who axslav got signed on with I know Geoff doesn't own the team. I'm talking about the second part of that; the 'he might get cut' part. His presence as the team's captain and de facto spokesperson, I think, makes him as valauble as someone who puts up much better results. He's more valuable than pretty much everyone on EG except Idra Puma and Huk. If I had to guess, I'd say he's below Idra and Puma, but ahead of HuK. Complete guess though. Idra is easily the most popular player on the team and Puma was their entry into the Korean market.
Imo Huk is better than Idra overall in terms of consistency in the GSL at least. Idk who won more major tournaments though, but I'd have to say Huk...
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