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On January 16 2012 06:20 Ragoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:46 Xeris wrote:
If you want bigger tournaments, you need a special tournament license from Blizzard, which costs money, and they take % of all the money u make While other organizations actually push esport and make million dollar tournaments (hi@valve), Blizzard restricts esports with silly stuff like this or no LAN (no save, no reconnect)... great.
They actually ran that tournament themselves with their own money. It was an ad. Compare that to Blizzcon, not Shoutcraft or whatever.
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On January 16 2012 06:24 Zeroxk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:20 Ragoo wrote:On January 16 2012 05:46 Xeris wrote:
If you want bigger tournaments, you need a special tournament license from Blizzard, which costs money, and they take % of all the money u make While other organizations actually push esport and make million dollar tournaments (hi@valve), Blizzard restricts esports with silly stuff like this or no LAN (no save, no reconnect)... great. Hah you think the million dollar dota tourney was "pushing esport" and not an expensive ad? What do you think of Riot and their constant money injection
There will be more of these from Valve...
edit: And it was an ad for esport if anything.
On January 16 2012 06:00 radiantshadow92 wrote:
blizzard runs all the bnet servers and continues to patch the game and release new maps. Tournaments are the only continuing source of income for them since the game is only sold once. Whether they make a shit ton of money or not is no reason to loath them. Its a much better way for them to have a strong relationship with tournament organizers and continue to make money without subscriptions from players. Imo, it would also be unfair for tourney organizer to make money off their servers and hard work for no fee.
They make millions and millions of dollars , the money in esport is VERY small compared to the profit Blizzard makes. How is it even remotely cool if they charge esport tournaments like this and slow down esport's growth.
Also new maps isn't rly an achievement, it's more of an annoyance since the community is way better at making maps...
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On January 16 2012 06:18 bOneSeven wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:12 radiantshadow92 wrote:On January 16 2012 06:03 bOneSeven wrote:On January 16 2012 06:00 radiantshadow92 wrote:
blizzard runs all the bnet servers and continues to patch the game and release new maps. Tournaments are the only continuing source of income for them since the game is only sold once. Whether they make a shit ton of money or not is no reason to loath them. Its a much better way for them to have a strong relationship with tournament organizers and continue to make money without subscriptions from players. Imo, it would also be unfair for tourney organizer to make money off their servers and hard work for no fee. You didn't need to use "THEIR" servers if they implemented LAN for offline tournaments. And you make money from games from selling them or having a legitimate strategy that only involves the casual player. They are so vicious that they went out of their way, making it impossible to play on different realms unless if you buy MORE copies of SC2 . I'm feeling rather bad for actually buying SC2 now. And no they don't balance it. They change it because if they wouldn't people would abuse certain things, make game dead => no1 will continue buying the game or playing it. there is no point in trying to change your mind, it seems you already have your opinion about blizzard and anything i say probably wont change that. so we are gonna have to agree to disagree. We are both looking at the same cup only you see it half empty. you can totally change my mind if you can come with an appealing argument . But my idea is pretty legitimate of what a really supporting corporation would do. Try to balance it as much as possible, don't get revenue unless there some massive tournament, make it really cheap so more people will buy-> spectator pool will rise ( making it cheaper after the sales are gone done dramatically , since the expansion set will soon be released ) . Am I really that unreasonable ? If anything, the most compelling peace of evidence of their complete viciousness is the fact that you have to buy several copies of SC2 if you want to play on different servers.
there is no not really an argument to make that you dont already know. You know why blizzard has said no to LAN mode. it gave them headaches with BW. the whole kespa thing, the hackings, and you know why blizzard split up the regions. the 60 dollar price pales in comparison to what you get and there is no subscription for the safest, best, and most competitive online community in pc history.
If you think that the business model you suggested is better, then by all means, send an email to blizzards business department or something lol. But unless you have a PHD in business and have all the data to support your claims and somehow own a mutimillion dollar game company, i would leave the business decisions to them.
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Blizzard is not the dream company that some people seem to think it is.
Its owned by Activision, enough said.
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On January 16 2012 06:22 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:20 Ragoo wrote:On January 16 2012 05:46 Xeris wrote:
If you want bigger tournaments, you need a special tournament license from Blizzard, which costs money, and they take % of all the money u make While other organizations actually push esport and make million dollar tournaments (hi@valve), Blizzard restricts esports with silly stuff like this or no LAN (no save, no reconnect)... great. Progressive income means that they have maximum encouragement to constantly improve and patch the game between release cycles.
whatever happens to we make it because we have professionalism and gives a shit about our customers anymore?
I'm sure the traditional business model still works extremely well, I mean most games still do it. tournament fees are just icing on the top, but won't since Activision is running everything now I'm not surprised they're trying to squeeze money out of everything they touched
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On January 16 2012 06:25 Paragleiber wrote:
Well, since it is at least somewhat related I am just gonna ask another question here and see if anybody can tell me something about it because I have been wondering about it for a quite a while.
What about people making money off their YouTube channels with SC2 videos? There are famous people like Artosis, Husky, TB or HD but also less famous ones who still made it to a YouTube partner account with SC2 content (you can recognize partner accounts by their custom header on top of the channel page).
According to the YouTube terms people should need a written permission from Blizzard if they are making money off SC2 videos because the game is copyrighted content not owned by the video makers.
Does Blizzard take some money off these guys as well? And how do you even get such a permission to monetize SC2 videos on YouTube because I wouldn't even know how to contact Blizzard in that regard (don't tell me anything like "you don't have enough views anyway", it is just a general question and I know that I personally won't make money with SC2 vids but maybe with other gaming videos which would be a similar situation, so I am just curious).
In all likelihood the channel operators have some deal worked out with Blizzard or Youtube has a deal worked out. I wouldn't be surprised if YT keeps a %, sends a % to Blizz, and the remainder goes to the channel owner. SC2 is Blizzard's property and they're entitled to a cut if someone is profiting off the game.
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On January 16 2012 06:28 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:22 Ruscour wrote:On January 16 2012 06:20 Ragoo wrote:On January 16 2012 05:46 Xeris wrote:
If you want bigger tournaments, you need a special tournament license from Blizzard, which costs money, and they take % of all the money u make While other organizations actually push esport and make million dollar tournaments (hi@valve), Blizzard restricts esports with silly stuff like this or no LAN (no save, no reconnect)... great. Progressive income means that they have maximum encouragement to constantly improve and patch the game between release cycles. whatever happens to we make it because we have professionalism and gives a shit about our customers anymore? I'm sure the traditional business model still works extremely well, I mean most games still do it. tournament fees are just icing on the top
its a business. they make the game to make money. they only use "professionalism" and "give a shit about their customers" when it increases their money. if it doesnt make them money in the long run, they dont do it.
i would love to see people hating on blizzard trying to run a legitimate business.
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On January 16 2012 06:18 bOneSeven wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:12 radiantshadow92 wrote:On January 16 2012 06:03 bOneSeven wrote:On January 16 2012 06:00 radiantshadow92 wrote:
blizzard runs all the bnet servers and continues to patch the game and release new maps. Tournaments are the only continuing source of income for them since the game is only sold once. Whether they make a shit ton of money or not is no reason to loath them. Its a much better way for them to have a strong relationship with tournament organizers and continue to make money without subscriptions from players. Imo, it would also be unfair for tourney organizer to make money off their servers and hard work for no fee. You didn't need to use "THEIR" servers if they implemented LAN for offline tournaments. And you make money from games from selling them or having a legitimate strategy that only involves the casual player. They are so vicious that they went out of their way, making it impossible to play on different realms unless if you buy MORE copies of SC2 . I'm feeling rather bad for actually buying SC2 now. And no they don't balance it. They change it because if they wouldn't people would abuse certain things, make game dead => no1 will continue buying the game or playing it. there is no point in trying to change your mind, it seems you already have your opinion about blizzard and anything i say probably wont change that. so we are gonna have to agree to disagree. We are both looking at the same cup only you see it half empty. you can totally change my mind if you can come with an appealing argument . But my idea is pretty legitimate of what a really supporting corporation would do. Try to balance it as much as possible, don't get revenue unless there some massive tournament, make it really cheap so more people will buy-> spectator pool will rise ( making it cheaper after the sales are gone done dramatically , since the expansion set will soon be released ) . Am I really that unreasonable ? If anything, the most compelling peace of evidence of their complete viciousness is the fact that you have to buy several copies of SC2 if you want to play on different servers. "i loathe blizzard for trying to make money off a game they developed (including all the expenses of development). evil capitalistic corporations only looking out for their stockholders' interests. EVIL!!" - Told you, make money off of non-pro players. As much as you can, but if you wanna get in the way of helping the pro players...it makes me sick.
They do try and balance the game, the problem is that people will whine, moan, and bitch about everything. The game could literally be 100% balanced and people would still bitch about balance somehow. Not only that, but balance doesn't just pop out of thin air - BW hasn't changed yet there have been multiple shifts in balance, all due to the players finding out new timings/strategies/counters/etc.
As for the second one, $5,000 is a bigger prize pool than 99% of tournaments; they could raise it, sure, but it's still pretty good the way it is. The last one is more of a design flaw than anything, but Blizzard really should fix it (and implement LAN mode) at some point in time.
With all that being said they still support SC2 more than 99% of other companies do for their games. They are FAR from perfect, but they're definitely one of the better companies when it comes to listening to the competitive scene and helping it thrive.
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On January 16 2012 06:26 Ragoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:24 Zeroxk wrote:On January 16 2012 06:20 Ragoo wrote:On January 16 2012 05:46 Xeris wrote:
If you want bigger tournaments, you need a special tournament license from Blizzard, which costs money, and they take % of all the money u make While other organizations actually push esport and make million dollar tournaments (hi@valve), Blizzard restricts esports with silly stuff like this or no LAN (no save, no reconnect)... great. Hah you think the million dollar dota tourney was "pushing esport" and not an expensive ad? What do you think of Riot and their constant money injection There will be more of these from Valve... edit: And it was an ad for esport if anything. Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:00 radiantshadow92 wrote:
blizzard runs all the bnet servers and continues to patch the game and release new maps. Tournaments are the only continuing source of income for them since the game is only sold once. Whether they make a shit ton of money or not is no reason to loath them. Its a much better way for them to have a strong relationship with tournament organizers and continue to make money without subscriptions from players. Imo, it would also be unfair for tourney organizer to make money off their servers and hard work for no fee. They make millions and millions of dollars , the money in esport is VERY small compared to the profit Blizzard makes. How is it even remotely cool if they charge esport tournaments like this and slow down esport's growth. Also new maps isn't rly an achievement, it's more of an annoyance since the community is way better at making maps...
do you know how much is injected into esports? do you even know how much money blizzard makes off sc2 and tourney revenue? i doubt you do. unless you have proof, this post means absolutely nothing.
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On January 16 2012 06:26 integrity wrote:
the following statement is my opinion, no it might not be like your and no im not asking you to agree with me:
at this point with over 50k viewers TB can take a lost to his OWN ad revenue to raise the prize pool. after a certain point in ads he is already making way more than the 5k needed for the next tournament. it just my opinion that he doesnt want to raise it because he rather take the huge amount of ad revenue he is getting from 50k people himself...which is way more than the 5k he is giving to players
No matter how much of an opinion it is, you can't blindly accuse people of things like that.
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On January 16 2012 06:27 Jusba wrote:
Blizzard is not the dream company that some people seem to think it is.
Its owned by Activision, enough said.
Also they're a company and their sole objective is to earn money. It doesn't matter who their owner is or how nice they seem, their goal is to make a profit. That's the entire point of capitalism and it's the only reason games like SC exist. Sure companies have varying public images, but they only cultivate those images to establish customer loyalty and consequently take said customers' money.
Welcome to the world. Most of the products we use and the technologies we have are the result of people trying to earn money for themselves.
If you guys really have a problem with this concept, your issue isn't with Blizzard, it's with the idea of capitalism and business. I can't really help you on that one though, pretty much the entire world now knows this system is ideal.
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"they're just making money" is getting old. I'm sure we all know that, but don't expect us to sympathize with their greed and thinks its not ok to criticize their practice
Also capitalism is not ideal, whatever gave you that idea?
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On January 16 2012 06:31 hmunkey wrote:
If you guys really have a problem with this concept, your issue isn't with Blizzard, it's with the idea of capitalism and business. I can't really help you on that one though, pretty much the entire world now knows this system is ideal.
You can't be serious.
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On January 16 2012 06:31 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:26 integrity wrote:
the following statement is my opinion, no it might not be like your and no im not asking you to agree with me:
at this point with over 50k viewers TB can take a lost to his OWN ad revenue to raise the prize pool. after a certain point in ads he is already making way more than the 5k needed for the next tournament. it just my opinion that he doesnt want to raise it because he rather take the huge amount of ad revenue he is getting from 50k people himself...which is way more than the 5k he is giving to players No matter how much of an opinion it is, you can't blindly accuse people of things like that.
the statment came out a little acutory(sp?) but my point is
ad revenue from 50k viewers is way more than 5k to pay players.
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On January 16 2012 06:16 dAPhREAk wrote:
i loathe blizzard for trying to make money off a game they developed (including all the expenses of development). evil capitalistic corporations only looking out for their stockholders' interests. EVIL!!
I second that ! Thou shall not make money from your work!
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On January 16 2012 06:34 iky43210 wrote:
"they're just making money" is getting old. I'm sure we all know that, but don't expect us to sympathize with their greed and thinks its not ok to criticize their practice
Also capitalism is not ideal, whatever gave you that idea?
Don't sympathize with it, but understand it. Their goal, like that of every game company you love, is to make money. That's why your favorite games exist to begin with.
They didn't create SC2 because they were bored and felt like it. They created it to make money.
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On January 16 2012 06:26 integrity wrote:
the following statement is my opinion, no it might not be like your and no im not asking you to agree with me:
at this point with over 50k viewers TB can take a lost to his OWN ad revenue to raise the prize pool. after a certain point in ads he is already making way more than the 5k needed for the next tournament. it just my opinion that he doesnt want to raise it because he rather take the huge amount of ad revenue he is getting from 50k people himself...which is way more than the 5k he is giving to players
This is quite an accusation to make without any evidence. Other events can be organized with that money. Just because it's limited to 5k because of the Blizzard deal doesn't mean you can make more events as TB said himself.
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i was recently thinking about how blizzard is able able to run all the server + update and balance the game, now i know that, i mean blizzard hav somehow to get money to continuing support sc2, i mean its not like 10 years ago, to be able to maintain server cost really much money nowadays~
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On January 16 2012 06:36 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:34 iky43210 wrote:
"they're just making money" is getting old. I'm sure we all know that, but don't expect us to sympathize with their greed and thinks its not ok to criticize their practice
Also capitalism is not ideal, whatever gave you that idea? Don't sympathize with it, but understand it. Their goal, like that of every game company you love, is to make money. That's why your favorite games exist to begin with. They didn't create SC2 because they were bored and felt like it. They created it to make money.
are you saying people who made these posts don't understand they made it for the money? That is obvious.
I understand the oil company are just trying to "make money", but i'm still going to complain about their exploit through lobbies and monopoly on the market
Just because they're in it for the money doesn't mean its not right for us to criticize them for their practice.
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On January 16 2012 06:27 Jusba wrote:
Blizzard is not the dream company that some people seem to think it is.
Its owned by Activision, enough said.
No, Blizzard was NEVER owned by Activison. Vivendi owns them both and has owned Blizzard since forever.
I'm disappointed that people still believe this.
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