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On January 16 2012 05:58 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:56 Diamond wrote:On January 16 2012 05:53 bOneSeven wrote:
What they have done in SC2 to make the esports scene better ? Made BW and SC2. There's that How does this entitle them to a stake in everything arising from the broadcast of said games, though? Yes, I'm aware that the US has some really retarded copyright laws that make it legal to retain indefinite rights to basically everything you do with any product, but from a straightforward point of view, how could this really be thought of as logical?
they host every server and protect from hackers/cheaters. plus they continue to patch and balance the game to continue growth.
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On January 16 2012 06:00 radiantshadow92 wrote:
blizzard runs all the bnet servers and continues to patch the game and release new maps. Tournaments are the only continuing source of income for them since the game is only sold once. Whether they make a shit ton of money or not is no reason to loath them. Its a much better way for them to have a strong relationship with tournament organizers and continue to make money without subscriptions from players. Imo, it would also be unfair for tourney organizer to make money off their servers and hard work for no fee.
You didn't need to use "THEIR" servers if they implemented LAN for offline tournaments. And you make money from games from selling them or having a legitimate strategy that only involves the casual player. They are so vicious that they went out of their way, making it impossible to play on different realms unless if you buy MORE copies of SC2 . I'm feeling rather bad for actually buying SC2 now.
And no they don't balance it. They change it because if they wouldn't people would abuse certain things, make game dead => no1 will continue buying the game or playing it.
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I like this game because of the brilliant community attached to it, Blizzard are very very evil :p
But there isn't really an alternative.
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On January 16 2012 06:01 radiantshadow92 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:58 Shiori wrote:On January 16 2012 05:56 Diamond wrote:On January 16 2012 05:53 bOneSeven wrote:
What they have done in SC2 to make the esports scene better ? Made BW and SC2. There's that How does this entitle them to a stake in everything arising from the broadcast of said games, though? Yes, I'm aware that the US has some really retarded copyright laws that make it legal to retain indefinite rights to basically everything you do with any product, but from a straightforward point of view, how could this really be thought of as logical? they host every server and protect from hackers/cheaters. plus they continue to patch and balance the game to continue growth.
Doesn't really make sense. As far as Blizzard can tell from their services, hosting an MLG is essentially no different from hosting some kids playing Bunker Wars.
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If your not creating tournaments with prize pools greater than 5k, I don't see why you should care. Most of those tournaments are massive events. The money that goes to Blizzard is minimal compared to the money the event organizers make. Honestly, Blizzard made the game, they have the right to do whatever they want with it.
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You actually dont respect blizzard? They deserve more respect than any of the other major players in gaming. As the law stands, this is their copywrited product and I think that this is perfectly reasonable. They could have set the bar a lot lower than 5k.
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On January 16 2012 06:03 bOneSeven wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:00 radiantshadow92 wrote:
blizzard runs all the bnet servers and continues to patch the game and release new maps. Tournaments are the only continuing source of income for them since the game is only sold once. Whether they make a shit ton of money or not is no reason to loath them. Its a much better way for them to have a strong relationship with tournament organizers and continue to make money without subscriptions from players. Imo, it would also be unfair for tourney organizer to make money off their servers and hard work for no fee. You didn't need to use "THEIR" servers if they implemented LAN for offline tournaments. And you make money from games from selling them or having a legitimate strategy that only involves the casual player. They are so vicious that they went out of their way, making it impossible to play on different realms unless if you buy MORE copies of SC2 . I'm feeling rather bad for actually buying SC2 now. And no they don't balance it. They change it because if they wouldn't people would abuse certain things, make game dead => no1 will continue buying the game or playing it.
there is no point in trying to change your mind, it seems you already have your opinion about blizzard and anything i say probably wont change that. so we are gonna have to agree to disagree. We are both looking at the same cup only you see it half empty.
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i loathe blizzard for trying to make money off a game they developed (including all the expenses of development). evil capitalistic corporations only looking out for their stockholders' interests. EVIL!!
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On January 16 2012 06:12 radiantshadow92 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:03 bOneSeven wrote:On January 16 2012 06:00 radiantshadow92 wrote:
blizzard runs all the bnet servers and continues to patch the game and release new maps. Tournaments are the only continuing source of income for them since the game is only sold once. Whether they make a shit ton of money or not is no reason to loath them. Its a much better way for them to have a strong relationship with tournament organizers and continue to make money without subscriptions from players. Imo, it would also be unfair for tourney organizer to make money off their servers and hard work for no fee. You didn't need to use "THEIR" servers if they implemented LAN for offline tournaments. And you make money from games from selling them or having a legitimate strategy that only involves the casual player. They are so vicious that they went out of their way, making it impossible to play on different realms unless if you buy MORE copies of SC2 . I'm feeling rather bad for actually buying SC2 now. And no they don't balance it. They change it because if they wouldn't people would abuse certain things, make game dead => no1 will continue buying the game or playing it. there is no point in trying to change your mind, it seems you already have your opinion about blizzard and anything i say probably wont change that. so we are gonna have to agree to disagree. We are both looking at the same cup only you see it half empty.
you can totally change my mind if you can come with an appealing argument . But my idea is pretty legitimate of what a really supporting corporation would do. Try to balance it as much as possible, don't get revenue unless there some massive tournament, make it really cheap so more people will buy-> spectator pool will rise ( making it cheaper after the sales are gone done dramatically , since the expansion set will soon be released ) . Am I really that unreasonable ?
If anything, the most compelling peace of evidence of their complete viciousness is the fact that you have to buy several copies of SC2 if you want to play on different servers.
"i loathe blizzard for trying to make money off a game they developed (including all the expenses of development). evil capitalistic corporations only looking out for their stockholders' interests. EVIL!!" - Told you, make money off of non-pro players. As much as you can, but if you wanna get in the way of helping the pro players...it makes me sick.
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Thank you again, Blizz ......
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Another of these threads? 5k is the limit before you have to arrange things with Blizzard, why is this a thread.
EDIT: It has been this way for a very very very long time.
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On January 16 2012 05:46 Xeris wrote:
If you want bigger tournaments, you need a special tournament license from Blizzard, which costs money, and they take % of all the money u make
While other organizations actually push esport and make million dollar tournaments (hi@valve), Blizzard restricts esports with silly stuff like this or no LAN (no save, no reconnect)... great.
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On January 16 2012 06:20 Ragoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:46 Xeris wrote:
If you want bigger tournaments, you need a special tournament license from Blizzard, which costs money, and they take % of all the money u make While other organizations actually push esport and make million dollar tournaments (hi@valve), Blizzard restricts esports with silly stuff like this or no LAN (no save, no reconnect)... great.
Blizzcon, and they sponsor GSL as well. Blizzard does not make good money from boxes and expansions. Look at their three big titles right now, WoW has a subscription, SC2 has tournament revenue, D3 has the real money auction house.
Progressive income means that they have maximum encouragement to constantly improve and patch the game between release cycles.
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On January 16 2012 05:43 bOneSeven wrote:
ok so I'm focusing all my hate towards Blizzard right now....I'm getting dizzy actually :-/ .... Instead of actually supporting the esports community you want to .... oh ... I'm rather sad...
it's pretty normal..
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On January 16 2012 06:20 Ragoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:46 Xeris wrote:
If you want bigger tournaments, you need a special tournament license from Blizzard, which costs money, and they take % of all the money u make While other organizations actually push esport and make million dollar tournaments (hi@valve), Blizzard restricts esports with silly stuff like this or no LAN (no save, no reconnect)... great.
Hah you think the million dollar dota tourney was "pushing esport" and not an expensive ad? What do you think of Riot and their constant money injection
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On January 16 2012 06:20 Ragoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:46 Xeris wrote:
If you want bigger tournaments, you need a special tournament license from Blizzard, which costs money, and they take % of all the money u make While other organizations actually push esport and make million dollar tournaments (hi@valve), Blizzard restricts esports with silly stuff like this or no LAN (no save, no reconnect)... great.
And yet Starcraft has proved itself to be the only long term self-sustaining E-Sport. While other companies are pooling millions into their games, Starcraft II is competing with Blizzard dropping a cent. Blizzard's model is much superior in that aspect because it does not require a massive marketing budget.
Make no mistake the 1.6 million tournament was an advertisement, nothing more.
And don't say "hi valve" when they have done like one thing in the last forever to support E-Sports. Valve has turned a blind eye to E-Sports for a long long long long long time.
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at the end of the day, its a business. If they're expecting SC2 to be anywher near as big as broodwar was, its good sense to add in some clause like this.
it just makes sense
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Well, since it is at least somewhat related I am just gonna ask another question here and see if anybody can tell me something about it because I have been wondering about it for a quite a while.
What about people making money off their YouTube channels with SC2 videos? There are famous people like Artosis, Husky, TB or HD but also less famous ones who still made it to a YouTube partner account with SC2 content (you can recognize partner accounts by their custom header on top of the channel page).
According to the YouTube terms people should need a written permission from Blizzard if they are making money off SC2 videos because the game is copyrighted content not owned by the video makers.
Does Blizzard take some money off these guys as well? And how do you even get such a permission to monetize SC2 videos on YouTube because I wouldn't even know how to contact Blizzard in that regard (don't tell me anything like "you don't have enough views anyway", it is just a general question and I know that I personally won't make money with SC2 vids but maybe with other gaming videos which would be a similar situation, so I am just curious).
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i don't understand why some people think blizzard is not entitled to part of revenue people make by broadcasting game blizzard created.
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the following statement is my opinion, no it might not be like your and no im not asking you to agree with me:
at this point with over 50k viewers TB can take a lost to his OWN ad revenue to raise the prize pool. after a certain point in ads he is already making way more than the 5k needed for the next tournament. it just my opinion that he doesnt want to raise it because he rather take the huge amount of ad revenue he is getting from 50k people himself...which is way more than the 5k he is giving to players
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