StarCraft Mass Recall: SC1 campaigns on SC2 thread - Page 14

On July 20 2012 06:14 Perscienter wrote:
Will you also translate the quirks of the original, e. g. being able to beat Terran 07 with a defensive matrix scv rush?

On July 17 2012 14:21 UberJumper wrote:


I personally found there was just the right level of difficulty throughout the whole campaign, without the point of being unfair (the last mission on hard should be hard!). Yeah Walling is an absolute must, supply depots are too weak, i ended using barracks/factory to wall off best i could possibly do.

Sadly spider mines are not useful at all, the AI seems to have Korean Pro gamer reflexes and will always stop whatever they are shooting at, and shoot the spider mine (i am guessing mines have a higher priority than most things). The most difficult part of this mission is when multiple armies hit at once, there is almost nothing you can do against it when brown and orange throw their combined armies at you in one shot (which makes sense). Lurkers are annoying (which i like), mostly because once they get a few of them burrowed they will shred marines.

The first time I beat it, my strategy (that actually worked) was basically this:
1. Kill red cerebrate using marines + medivacs + drop ships, with tanks on the high ground
2. Relocated everything i possibly could, the AI seemed to ignore buildings in the very bottom left hand corner (just make sure its really far to left), so i stuck supply depots + academy + armoury in bottom left
3. Walled the right side entrance in reds base best i could, and basically started grabbing all the minerals + gas i possibly could get
4. Went mass battlecruisers + valkeries + science vessels (defensive matrix is a must for them to survive)
5. Cleared right hand side island, and relocated there, since reds base is too hard to defend
6. Used groups of marines and dropships + yamato to clear most of spores
7. Eventually managed to fight my way through orange, and won

In total it took about ~3 hours, with some extra bases being taken here and there.

However I found a much much better strategy, the second time (going mass battlecruisers is boring), that doesn't rely on using the lower right hand island, or mass battle cruisers and i was able to beat it in ~hour
1, Wall in main
2. Get valkeries + tanks + whatever for defense
3. Have a few dropships of marines drop off and rush and kill red cerebrate
4. You need to take your mineral patch to the right (where the bunker originally was), while defending your main. This is the most important part, because the path brown takes to your main is the area right above your second base. Oranges main target is your main, so it will ignore the right hand side base. This leaves your right hand side base to fight brown alone, which basically makes everything alot more bearable.
5. I used dropships + bio to kill hatcheries on right, and basically picked brown apart
6. When brown is dead you can basically clean up red, and push orange

This way took me around an hour to do, and didn't rely on mass battle cruisers, just marines + medics + tanks + valkeries + dropships.

But yeah the mod is amazing and you guys should be proud of it, also is anyone working on the last campaign :x?

On June 26 2012 10:07 UberJumper wrote:


I ended up beating it on brutal after around 50+ tries. it was exhausting, my strategy was:

Note: Two zerg drop off points, the left drop off point (the area on lower ground next to your nexus), and right drop off point (the area right below the ramp). The terrans attack your island from the north east.

1. Start of the game build forge right away
2. Drop a single cannon to deal with the incoming cloaked wraiths (they start moving towards you at 2:30, and are generally there by around 3:00)
3. Build a wall at the bottom of your ramp (i did it with 2 x pylons, 1 x gateway, 1 x cybercore), you want to make it so the Zerg, and drop atleast 4 x cannons. However if you make the wall too close to the lava, the AI will try and drop off the wave behind you.
4. Use your initial units + storm to cleanup the initial rounds of units dropped by the zerg (storm where the overlords mass)
5. Get at least 6 dragoons to the back dropoff point (to the left of your main), and you can kill the overlords before they can drop
5. At 7:00->8:00 minute mark, 6 wraiths, and a battlecruiser will attack you from north east. YOU ABSOLUTE NEED TO FEEDBACK THE BC before it gets a yamato off (it takes most of the HP), and can be cleaned up with some other dragoons, wraiths can be baited to the cannons.
6. Right when the BC is dead, and the majority of the wraiths are dead, rush to the bottom left part of your island on the cliff (area overlooking your 6 dragoons), a zerg wave will be dropping off. I had about 14 dragoons and they killed all the overlords before they managed to drop much off.
7. When the overlords move everything you have to the right side wall, and fight off that wave.
8. Use your shuttle, with a small force of 2 dragoons, and drop them off at the terrans far right island. (the north side has a small opening), basically while doing everything else, you need to clear that island, for the extra resources, and settle your probes there. The AI will ignore you over there.
9. Try and get at least two starports (by the 10 minute mark) going and making scouts (by the 10 minute mark), once you get around 6 you can snipe any overlord pack dropping off at the left dropoff point.
10. Just stabilize, keep building dragoons and scouts, and cannons. Don't attack the AI, since it will throw huge mutalisk armies at you to retaliate. Just keep killing any overlords trying to cross over to drop off units.
11. The first base you want to kill is the one in the lower left hand corner, once its dead. It becomes alot easier to deal with the rest of the units.
12. End game army composition was almost entirely scouts + dragoons, poking the AI with scouts to aggro alot of their air units, and rushing back to your home base and letting your dragoons kill them is the best strategy.

Misc Tips:
1. The vespene geyser is far, and needs 5 probes for maximum efficiency (you will need gas extremely badly)
2. Get the dragoon upgrade ASAP
3, Constantly build dragoons, you will need them
4. SAVE SAVE SAVE SAVE SAVE

I feel proud!

On July 23 2012 09:34 Jones313 wrote:
Interesting! I guess some more testing - and possibly adjusting the attack wave timings - might be in order. I'll have to try out Spider Mines myself, there's probably so much ranged damage coming at you that you'd need a lot of well-placed mines for any of them to connect.

I like the lack of Battlecruisers in the second strategy - I don't usually go for Battlecruisers either, but even with all the Scourge flying around, clearing this particular map without them seems a bit... daunting. Unless I've messed something up it should be very possible for the orange Zerg to also attack your expansions, it's pretty random though so maybe you got lucky. In any case, thanks for the debriefing.

We've sort of made some early plans for the last campaign, that's about it so far.

On July 27 2012 05:06 BadassHamster wrote:


Congratulations on doing this mission, it is so f'ing hard! I have a couple of questions about your strategy...
1. How quickly did you expand to the natural on your island?
2. when you say you walled off your ramp, do you mean you used those building to block access up the ramp? or did you run it vertically? horizontally?

On August 01 2012 21:26 Bromazepam wrote:
With the new 1.5 patch I can't load maps anymore by dragging them on the executable. The game just boots up like normal, asks me to login, then acts like I never opened it with the map.

On August 02 2012 01:16 BadassHamster wrote:


I had a similar thing happen, but was able to get them to run by opening them in the editor and then starting them from there. It appears that sc1mod is partially broken, though, I was getting errors (like slowdown when attacking the cerebrate in the Fall part 9, or losing any DT counting as a hero death in part 10) that had previously been fixed in the mods. I also had to recopy the mods into my Mods folder after the update.

On August 02 2012 04:56 Jones313 wrote:
Just got the patch installed, and yeah, not being able to directly launch the maps seems to be a new "feature". You can still launch the maps via the editor (test document-command), but that of course results in extra loading time, memory usage etc. and generally just sucks. The good news is, starting the next mission from the victory screen and saving/loading still work. Judging by a quick test, nothing seems to be too broken in the maps/mods themselves, aside from some small annoyances. edit: Okay never mind, that was a really quick test. There's a good amount of new issues.

Still, could've been a lot worse I guess, so it's cool. We'll have to do some damage control, and I have some ideas for smoothing out the process of actually getting to play the maps. As the old saying goes: everybody chill the fuck out, we got this.


P.S. If it's not too late, back up your mod files or you'll probably have to redownload them - the Starcraft 2 optimization process apparently sees fit to save disk space or something by throwing away your stuff.