EPTWhich has nothing to do with what I tried to point out. I'm already past that. As Aphasie pointed out, it really feels like this serves as an excuse to kick him out. The wording of this news ("plus que délicate", "expulsé de la GOM house,", "très décevants", "manque de motivation") is a very straight-forward effort to discredit cArn, and that's what tips me off here. I feel this is inappropriate, a disgrace.
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
Which has nothing to do with what I tried to point out. I'm already past that. As Aphasie pointed out, it really feels like this serves as an excuse to kick him out. The wording of this news ("plus que délicate", "expulsé de la GOM house,", "très décevants", "manque de motivation") is a very straight-forward effort to discredit cArn, and that's what tips me off here. I feel this is inappropriate, a disgrace. | ||
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michielbrands
Netherlands1146 Posts
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Frogsox
Australia274 Posts
On January 12 2012 21:19 KeksX wrote: Well but if cArn had stubbornly wanted to stay in Korea and not try his luck elsewhere then eSahara could just say that and not make up this stuff where he doesn't have motivation etc, because thats just a weird ...lie? And I think they could arrange something so that cArn could stay in EU/NA long time if they could do that for him in KR. Like I said, they probably could have arranged for cArn to stay in the EU/NA, but all signs point to cArn being the one who's stubbornly maintaining that he wishes to stay in Korea and practice there. It's not as simple as saying they could have done it and therefore they are wrong for cArn not doing it. | ||
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Agnosthar
631 Posts
As for cArn, I totally respect someone willing to go to extremes to make their dream happen. But doesn't he have any people around him advising him? Moving to Korea is something I think players should only do when they can't improve much on their own server, see NaNiwa. If a player does move to Korea, they need backing from a team to make sure they're given the best possible practice conditions to maximise the effectiveness of time spent in Korea. Whatever your stance is on cArn, you'll find it difficult to argue he's had good practice partners/schedule whilst being in Korea. cArn should have cut his losses and moved on a long time ago. | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
GL in the future cArn. | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
and wtf, there needs to be a subforum for 'x player joins x team' or 'x player leaves x team' 10 new threads a day with this bs | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On January 12 2012 21:09 KeksX wrote: So you support them not doing their work(=supporting their player)? and instead of doing reasonable things(getting him out of korea to play in tournaments foreigners usually play in, like playhems, go4sc ipl, dreamhack etc) they just drop him for good? You gotta admit that it's pretty dumb from eSahara to do that. Because their reasoning is that he didn't do well in GSL while 99% of the foreigners don't do well in GSL yet they stay in teams and get paid and have sponsorships. It's anything but unreasonable for eSahara not to send Carn to foreign events. It's expensive and he has not once shown that he's capable of competing even in the foreign scene. They provide him with a good practice environment and until he starts to show something in online cups or what have you, you can't expect them to send him around the world. As for online cups, he's free and probably encouraged to enter them but chooses not to. That's his decission. | ||
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MetalLobster
Canada532 Posts
Best of luck in the future cArn. | ||
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NuclearJudas
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MHT
Sweden1026 Posts
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
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warshop
Canada490 Posts
On January 12 2012 21:24 zere wrote: And this has nothing to do with that. Yes, I suppose they were not happy with his results, and therefore probably wanted him gone for that. Which has nothing to do with what I tried to point out. I'm already past that. As Aphasie pointed out, it really feels like this serves as an excuse to kick him out. The wording of this news ("plus que délicate", "expulsé de la GOM house,", "très décevants", "manque de motivation") is a very straight-forward effort to discredit cArn, and that's what tips me off here. I feel this is inappropriate, a disgrace. It feels like the parting wasn't mutual (as if : eSahara didn't negotiate with cArn). That is what I find somewhat disappointing. If you are going to invest into a player, at least try to make it work. And no, seeing as cArn learned about RTS games a year ago, I think it's safe to say it takes more than a year to achieve a higher level of mechanics. | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
<3 Artosis btw He hyped Carn during the first GSL, when Carn wasn't even a master league player. Carn got a small fan base, and this is the only reason he got in a team. He trained a lot and he's still far from being a top player. I'm not sure what his background is, but you need at least 2-3 years of RTS experience to become a top player. With eSahara adding more players, they probably had to make a decision here. They made a honest post about it and people are raging at them ... next time they should just write a fake statement without any details at all. Edit: Carn made a bad decision to go and train in Korea at his skill level. Until you're GM on EU or US, there's no reason to do that. There are lots of players below GM level who train daily as hard as Carn, and they get no attention at all. If there's anyone to blame for this situation, it's Carn. No one forced him to give his personal life and move to Korea. | ||
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
On January 12 2012 20:49 RetoX wrote: He's not eSahara related, and cArn didn't practice past few month, we can't keep a player not showing any dedication. MaddeLisk trains very hard with Naama, Jimpo, Naugrim, Satiini, Check... and is really involved into eSahara's team life. And she's in the talented line up whereas cArn was considered as pro. I personally have a lot of respect for cArn, i consider him as a friend, but he didn't show anything good since he's in eSahara. Dopani (RS manager/proS manager) told that cArn wasn't practincing and playing DotA. Based on his ladder rank, cArn is not training that hard for now. If that's true... then that is shameful. | ||
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
On January 12 2012 22:01 cyclone25 wrote: This all happens because of Artosis! + Show Spoiler + <3 Artosis btw He hyped Carn during the first GSL, when Carn wasn't even a master league player. Carn got a small fan base, and this is the only reason he got in a team. He trained a lot and he's still far from being a top player. I'm not sure what his background is, but you need at least 2-3 years of RTS experience to become a top player. With eSahara adding more players, they probably had to make a decision here. They made a honest post about it and people are raging at them ... next time they should just write a fake statement without any details at all. Actually... HuK is a hard counter to what you said. | ||
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Vildhjarta
Sweden126 Posts
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Shasta37
United States70 Posts
On January 12 2012 20:34 RPR_Tempest wrote: If that is honestly the reason they dropped him, then that's fucking bullshit. cArn is an incredibly hard working player. He decides not to attend ONE TIME and they drop him even though he's sacrificed everything to try and participate in GSL? What the fuck, eSahara. EDIT: If you're going to be disrespectful and say shit like "Who cares, cArn has achieved nothing." Read his blogs before you post. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=299855 http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=300320 http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=301987 LMAO, really? They are a business. I'm pretty sure there are people who would love to be with eSahara, play games all day as a job and gladly compete at the qualifiers. Just because you "work hard" does not mean you deserve to be on a team. If the results aren't there what do you expect will happen? This is the case with all sports. The fact that he didn't go to the qualifier slaps eSahara in the face for supporting him while he plays Starcraft all day instead of work like the rest of us. It's not like the qualifiers happen all the time. Being a pro-gamer implies that you compete and obtain sufficient results. cArn has failed the latter and now refuses to the former. Not much to be said here. Good move by eSahara. | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On January 12 2012 22:01 cyclone25 wrote: This all happens because of Artosis! + Show Spoiler + <3 Artosis btw He hyped Carn during the first GSL, when Carn wasn't even a master league player. Carn got a small fan base, and this is the only reason he got in a team. He trained a lot and he's still far from being a top player. I'm not sure what his background is, but you need at least 2-3 years of RTS experience to become a top player. With eSahara adding more players, they probably had to make a decision here. They made a honest post about it and people are raging at them ... next time they should just write a fake statement without any details at all. Edit: Carn made a bad decision to go and train in Korea at his skill level. Until you're GM on EU or US, there's no reason to do that. There are lots of players below GM level who train daily as hard as Carn, and they get no attention at all. If there's anyone to blame for this situation, it's Carn. No one forced him to give his personal life and move to Korea. To say you released cArn because he lacks motivation seems dishonest. You can say he hasn't produced results, or hasn't really been apart of the team, or doesn't have the talent, but to question his dedication seems insane. Perhaps his dedication has waned recently, but not going to GSL qualifier because you're going to get stomped doesn't seem very conclusive. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
Its not about not falling, its about rising again. GL to cArn, I don't understand his decision. | ||
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