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cArn is at the stage where being in Korea is no longer, and most likely hasn't been for quite some time, beneficial.
he should return to Europe, decide if he wants to keep playing and go from there. he doesn't bring anything to the table PR wise and he has absolutely no results as a player.
there is no point in a professional gaming team keeping a pro gamer that doesn't can't meet the basic standards of a pro-gamer.
he's not good enough, plain and simple. that doesn't mean he won't be in the future - but it's probably best for all concerned if they sever ties, and if carn leaves korea for a while. it simply hasn't worked.
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On January 12 2012 22:41 bubblegumbo wrote:
Whoever writes for eSahara and does their PR is totally incompetent or amateurish, it was like this already in previous threads they've made concerning players they signed(horrific grammar, almost "engrish" in nature), it's also laughable how they question his commitment and motivation when he has been living in Korea for longer than any SC2 foreigner unless you count Tastosis. With his on money too for months before joining this team.
They handled this so badly, you don't criticize players you release so publicly especially in such a biased and opinionated manner. Every other single esport team out there are always smart enough to just say "part ways amicably," or "by mutual agreement." Maybe he is going to play DOTA2 competitively, who knows but they didn't need to try make him look like a bad guy for no reason other than to cover their own ass.
I have never seen a esport team that is so terrible at PR and press releases in the past decade since they started to crop up.
And this too, the biggest reason eSahara gets alot of shit in this thread because whoever writes their PR is complete crap.
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Can't blame eSahare for this but at the same time cArn's story could almost be called a sad story  . Maybe some other team still wants to pick him up, someone who wants to sacrifice everything to go to Korea is either stupid or has a ton of potential, I hope it's the latter one!
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I dont understand where eSahara's hubris is coming from. I understand that at a certain point you have to let a player go, but with latency being cited as an issue, with time differences an issue, with no support system visible, by their condemnation of him as undedicated.... I am wondering whether or not eSahara is actually worth time and energy to consider as worthwhile. cArn is one of the most dedicated players in eSports-moving to Korea with no SC or RTS background to play SC2. He abandoned everything and has been living without much money by his own will... I do not see any of these things as lack of dedication. I do see a lack of support structure on eSahara's part that would help cArn to motivate him, to help him understand (kindly) that he needs to show up to represent eSahara at the qualifiers, even if he has no hope.
To the meat of the matter, eSahara has posted no notable results. Naama's top 8 @ Dreamhack Winter 2011 I believe can be attributed to his displayed skill moreso than eSaraha's care for him, as shown by their bungling of his travel material. If eSahara has posted no results, how can they-another team with no results in the sea of eSports teams-get mad at a player that is performing likewise? As an atheist i don't particularly enjoy this analogy, however: why aren't they looking at the beam in their own eye rather than seeing the splinter in carbs?
EDIT: cArn Fighting! :D
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On January 12 2012 23:03 sereniity wrote:
Haha people hating on cArn about not succeeding... yeah he didn't succeed in.... GS fucking L.... Then again, Naniwa hasn't, Sjow hasn't, Jinro sure isn't anymore. The list goes on and on.
The list the guy made earlier about cArns dedication compared to eSaharas sums it up imo.
They're still capable of competing in the qualifiers - and winning. cArn can't even play at the qualifier anymore - that's a BIG difference, not just in terms of results, but mentally too.
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At what time do you pull the plug when some one is staying on 0 results, as a team i believe you want more then cArn has been giving atm, respect for him for staying in korea and trying but, can't fault a team for dropping you because you do not deliver any results at all.
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On January 12 2012 23:12 k!llua wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 23:03 sereniity wrote:
Haha people hating on cArn about not succeeding... yeah he didn't succeed in.... GS fucking L.... Then again, Naniwa hasn't, Sjow hasn't, Jinro sure isn't anymore. The list goes on and on.
The list the guy made earlier about cArns dedication compared to eSaharas sums it up imo. They're still capable of competing in the qualifiers - and winning. cArn can't even play at the qualifier anymore - that's a BIG difference, not just in terms of results, but mentally too.
He chose to not participate as he felt like he needed to practice more. If he thinks he wont win them then the time is better off spent on practicing, just as other players choose to not go to tournaments because they find their time more valuable used for practice.
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I don't see any benefit for eSahara to have cArn on the team. He can't play in teamleagues and doesn't play the only tournament/qualifier he could play in.
I mean, I'm sorry for cArn, but you can't blame eSahara.
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On January 12 2012 23:03 sereniity wrote:
Haha people hating on cArn about not succeeding... yeah he didn't succeed in.... GS fucking L.... Then again, Naniwa hasn't, Sjow hasn't, Jinro sure isn't anymore. The list goes on and on.
The list the guy made earlier about cArns dedication compared to eSaharas sums it up imo.
Sjow actually never dropped out of the GSL, he was seeded for next season to but decided to not participate. Naniwa has had good result in other tournaments. I can't really say anything about Jinro, he practices a shit ton, earlier in the thread somebody pointed out that ProS coach said he was only playing Dota and not practicing?
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On January 12 2012 23:12 k!llua wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 23:03 sereniity wrote:
Haha people hating on cArn about not succeeding... yeah he didn't succeed in.... GS fucking L.... Then again, Naniwa hasn't, Sjow hasn't, Jinro sure isn't anymore. The list goes on and on.
The list the guy made earlier about cArns dedication compared to eSaharas sums it up imo. They're still capable of competing in the qualifiers - and winning. cArn can't even play at the qualifier anymore - that's a BIG difference, not just in terms of results, but mentally too.
Naniwa/Sjow haven't played in the qualifiers though.
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I'm bit tired of people not knowing a quarter of what is up to jump on conclusion, I didn't want to say anything about all this but if people are to say things that are not true I guess I'll have to shed some lights.
I'm gonna be very short as it was something I was gonna talk about in the rest of my blogs anyway. So long story short, I joined eSahara, they couldn't provide me with the possibility to pratice since I left the GOM house, so I wasn't able to practice for 5 or 6 months.
Guess what, when you can't practice for this long, you're not gonna have any results.
For the qualifiers I had a bit over a month of practice at the ProS house, but I was still not in good shape enough to be able to win it, and if I were to go to the qualifiers it would be to win. It wasn't going to happen this time, and I had more than enough experience playing in every single one of the previous qualifiers (except the one when I was in Europe for ESWC).
There also was no real coverage whatsover of the qualifiers this time so it's not like there was any exposure to get out of it for the team, instead of continuing the disappointments that were ESWC and PPSL I would rather get my skill level and my confidence in my game back, improve as much as possible and be ready to win the next qualifier.
I just find really disappointing that eSahara tries to discredit me like this, that they interpret me not going as a lack of motivation, sure no problem that's what they think, but to then try to make people think I'm not practising is just not something you do. Especially since I choose to stick with them when I had better options just because I felt they were going in the right direction and had the right ideas and that we could build something together. I was wrong, it was just talking.
I could have things to say about what went wrong with eSahara and I, but I'm not gonna be that guy who crosses the line even though they went out of their way to spread misinformation about me.
It's fine, I know what I want and what I'm capable of, people who know me and know the details about all of this are supporting me, and those who don't have all the informations have to keep this in mind : they don't have all the informations.
So thanks to those who are still supporting me. The ones who are doubting me it's fine, it's just a matter of time before you are made wrong.
I know it, people who know me know it, eSahara knows it.
Just next time ... say it how it is : no results. Which I obviously understand, but that's all there is to it.
I'm not going into further details now, everything is gonna be covered in my next blogs when I get to that point.
As for this issue there is not much more to say.
GL
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team is obviously going through a restructuring, whatever their reasons for getting rid of carn its their choice. What value has cArn brought to esahara? not a whole lot. I'd imagine they were willing to give him a last shot and he simply didnt want to, straw that broke the camel's back n all.
edit: my post was speculation, cArn seems to have posted so just refer to that rather than my bs ramblings.
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Everybody seems to think that just because a player goes to Korea then he has all the motivation in the world. It's not about where he goes but about what he does when he gets there.
Korea seems like a nice place for a vacation and i'm sure there's plenty of things to do besides playing sc2.
If he didn't feel prepared to even try out for the qualifiers then that shows me that either he didnt' train hard enough, or he's just not that talented. Either way, the team seems to be in the right....
and yes he seems like a nice guy with some good blogs but that's hardly the point here.
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On January 12 2012 22:54 Eee wrote:
There has been a lot of drama with eSahara lately.
- The imposter scandal
- The Naama blunder
- This (But according to some of the post in the thread i kind of agree with them, not listening to Pros coach etc.)
Hopefully they can clean up their image, I personally feel they have very good intentions and ambitions.
What was the Naama blunder?
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On January 12 2012 23:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 22:54 Eee wrote:
There has been a lot of drama with eSahara lately.
- The imposter scandal
- The Naama blunder
- This (But according to some of the post in the thread i kind of agree with them, not listening to Pros coach etc.)
Hopefully they can clean up their image, I personally feel they have very good intentions and ambitions. What was the Naama blunder?
They ordered an airplane ticket for " Namma Santerii " and at the airport he got rejected because Naama isn't his real name.
BTW, I completly understand esahara decision. Why keep a player on a team when you realize that he won't achieve nothing ? He stayed in KR for over 1 year and he wasn't able to qualify for code A one time.
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On January 12 2012 23:04 k!llua wrote:
cArn is at the stage where being in Korea is no longer, and most likely hasn't been for quite some time, beneficial.
he should return to Europe, decide if he wants to keep playing and go from there. he doesn't bring anything to the table PR wise and he has absolutely no results as a player.
there is no point in a professional gaming team keeping a pro gamer that doesn't can't meet the basic standards of a pro-gamer.
he's not good enough, plain and simple. that doesn't mean he won't be in the future - but it's probably best for all concerned if they sever ties, and if carn leaves korea for a while. it simply hasn't worked.
Is it also a option that cArn enjoys his life in Korea, and for that reason wants to continue over there, staying close to the fire, improving as much as possible. Not necesairy willing to be "one of the guys", but doing things his way. He indeed uses a path very different to other players, but this is obviously the thing he feels good about and he seems to enjoy it. So I think it's best he continues on this way.
I do agree he isn't that intresting for teams because of his results, but perhaps he should try to make a living out of other things, for example his blogs about Korea were more then intresting. We should keep in mind a player can be useful for a team in many ways, results aint the only usefull skill 
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On January 12 2012 23:26 BlitzerSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 23:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On January 12 2012 22:54 Eee wrote:
There has been a lot of drama with eSahara lately.
- The imposter scandal
- The Naama blunder
- This (But according to some of the post in the thread i kind of agree with them, not listening to Pros coach etc.)
Hopefully they can clean up their image, I personally feel they have very good intentions and ambitions. What was the Naama blunder? They ordered an airplane ticket for " Namma Santerii " and at the airport he got rejected because Naama isn't his real name.BTW, I completly understand esahara decision. Why keep a player on a team when you realize that he won't achieve nothing ? He stayed in KR for over 1 year and he wasn't able to qualify for code A one time.
LOL instead of buying it for "Santeri Lahtinen"? (According to TLPD, that's his real name >.>)
That's pretty funny (although sad at the same time). It's like buying a fake ID that says McLovin.
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On January 12 2012 23:26 BlitzerSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 23:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On January 12 2012 22:54 Eee wrote:
There has been a lot of drama with eSahara lately.
- The imposter scandal
- The Naama blunder
- This (But according to some of the post in the thread i kind of agree with them, not listening to Pros coach etc.)
Hopefully they can clean up their image, I personally feel they have very good intentions and ambitions. What was the Naama blunder? They ordered an airplane ticket for " Namma Santerii " and at the airport he got rejected because Naama isn't his real name. BTW, I completly understand esahara decision. Why keep a player on a team when you realize that he won't achieve nothing ? He stayed in KR for over 1 year and he wasn't able to qualify for code A one time.
And Naama should be in Korea now... *sigh*
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Completely understandable. Like others have said, its business, not charity.
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On January 12 2012 23:04 k!llua wrote:
cArn is at the stage where being in Korea is no longer, and most likely hasn't been for quite some time, beneficial.
he should return to Europe, decide if he wants to keep playing and go from there. he doesn't bring anything to the table PR wise and he has absolutely no results as a player.
there is no point in a professional gaming team keeping a pro gamer that doesn't can't meet the basic standards of a pro-gamer.
he's not good enough, plain and simple. that doesn't mean he won't be in the future - but it's probably best for all concerned if they sever ties, and if carn leaves korea for a while. it simply hasn't worked.
I love how you, K!llua, knows what's beneficial and what's best for both esahara and cArn. He's not good enough, so he should go home to europe? Maybe if he got the chance to join a solid training house he would be able to gain a code A spot, how would you know? Maybe he will get a chance to join one of the korean teams? Maybe he's stuck teamless in korea for another year?
I don't know and neither do you. Getting really tired of know-it-alls that apparently know exactly what other people should and shouldn't do.
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