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Nothingtosay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States875 Posts
January 12 2012 11:49 GMT
#21
On January 12 2012 20:47 Detrimentally wrote:
this is disguting. eSahara has lost my support and I hope they fail (or waste all of their money on more fake players).


Completely unacceptable. What about all the players on the team now? You're a worse person than the people you dislike if you want them to just fall by the wayside because you're angry.
[QUOTE][B]On October 16 2011 13:00 Anihc wrote:[/B] No, you're the one who's wrong. Nothingtosay got it right.[/QUOTE]:3
Epoch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 11:50:39
January 12 2012 11:49 GMT
#22
On January 12 2012 20:47 Detrimentally wrote:
this is disguting. eSahara has lost my support and I hope they fail (or waste all of their money on more fake players).



^ Why is it disgusting to dispose of a player that acheives nothing in the game and isn't even going to try and qualify for stuff and represent his team? You want them to pay him to practice forever for no good reason? lol seriously
zere
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1287 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 11:53:02
January 12 2012 11:51 GMT
#23
Well, I'm sorry, but when you compare cArn, who
-dedicated his last 16 months completely to SC2
-leaving his family and friends
-travels around the world for tournaments, Korea, China, etc.
-lives on his own in a foreign country
-passed on a ticket to the frikkin Olympics

to an organization that
-failed to background-check the identity and whereabouts of a newly signed player
-failed to correctly fill out a simple form for a flight
-does not have the faith to listen to one of their players who has 1,5 years of first-hand experience of what they are about to do themselves

then I ask myself which one of the aforementioned parties suffers from a lack of motivation.
ModeratorWenn ich einmal traurig bin, dann trink' ich einen Korn. Wenn ich dann noch traurig bin, dann trink' ich noch 'nen Korn. Und wenn ich dann noch traurig bin, dann fang' ich an von vorn!
Marou
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1371 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 11:52:28
January 12 2012 11:51 GMT
#24
On January 12 2012 20:36 Tidus Mino wrote:
Your post is really bias, and it's obvious you are affiliated with eSahara. If he felt he would get crushed in the qualifiers, of course he would not want to try as to lose badly would be hugely demotivating.


LOL i have nothing to do with eSahara, i just don't like the fact that there is so much hate around this team. I was very sceptical about this team when they started but they are looking to be a team that is there to stay.

Thing is, going to the qualifier is just one day, even if you don't think you will qualify, it's always good to take the tournament experience and i don't understand why he wouldn't even try.
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Aphasie
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway474 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 12:32:34
January 12 2012 11:52 GMT
#25
Yeah, i feel more that they needed an excuse to drop a non-successful player and decided to pin it on "lack of motivation". Which is by itself a bad move, if you cant be honest enough to tell the world that player X doesn't meet the standards and requirements of your team, it sends mixed signals. And obviously it's not a fact, seeing how cArn has stayed in korea for over a year now (?) and is still going at it. Bad handling by e-Sahara again. Be honest about what you want for your team.

Also, mad props to cArn for staying out there and trying to live the dream. I will always have immense respect for someone that tries as hard as he has, and also kept on going despite setbacks (like being kicked out of GOM house). Hope you will find a better team in the future cArn!

Peace out

Edit:
If what Retox said while i was writing this post, about him not practicing the last month its a completely fair decision. If its true that is. We'll see if cArn responds to it. There's also a lot of other factors to consider. Money they spent and how much cArn took out of his own pocket. We dont know every number in the equation here.
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
January 12 2012 11:52 GMT
#26
If Carn really practises that much and is not good enough to compete with code A players, then he really needs a personal coach cause something about his training style is not effective enough.

And Pro-gaming is a profession guys. You don't do well, you get fired. Don't see why you eSahara gets so much hate.
halvorg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Norway717 Posts
January 12 2012 11:53 GMT
#27
Allagedly he hasnt been practicing(see first page) and has zero success outside of gsl. Couple that with him unwilling to participate in the qualifiers what else would be the reason to keep him on the team? He does not make interviews or great PR he is just a player.

Yeah he's a nice guy and I was hoping he'd break through, but I understand esahara's decision.
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
January 12 2012 11:54 GMT
#28
you shouldnt bash eSahara, cause i mean, they have a buisness to run. They pay him i guess, and if they dont feel that hes putting enough effort in it. They will part way with him.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 11:54:59
January 12 2012 11:54 GMT
#29
edit: i was quite mean.

best of luck to cArn, keep at it...as long as he's still practicing hard i do not understand this decision.
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
January 12 2012 11:55 GMT
#30
On January 12 2012 20:42 AndAgain wrote:
Well, if he's not good enough to even attend a GSL qualifier, it's probably rational to let him go. Work ethic isn't the only standard.

I agree with this. In Korea it's GSL or nothing, it makes no sense to pay for a player there who doesn't try to get in to it. Especially since he's not(very rarely) attending foreign events.

Still, quite a shitty statement from eSahara's part.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 11:57:29
January 12 2012 11:55 GMT
#31
On January 12 2012 20:39 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 20:39 Technique wrote:
First get good then move to Korea is the story to learn here...

Uh, no it's not. In fact, it's completely irrelevant.


It kinda is. I understand how you would be depressed and demotivated being crushed first round qualifier after qualifier. Whereas in Europe he could have entered some small cups and maybe have a podium finish and be happy with his team.
Korea is not for everyone folks. Foreigners three times as good as cArn have failed utterly countless times.
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
January 12 2012 11:57 GMT
#32
On January 12 2012 20:54 GoSuChicken wrote:
you shouldnt bash eSahara, cause i mean, they have a buisness to run. They pay him i guess, and if they dont feel that hes putting enough effort in it. They will part way with him.


From my understanding cArn's been in Korea on his own dime for quite a while now, even before eSahara. How much could they possibly have lost from a relatively no-name guy who didn't feel good enough yet to represent them for a qualifier? Im not even sure how eSahara was even supporting cArn other than maybe a salary to help him out?
mazqo
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland368 Posts
January 12 2012 11:57 GMT
#33
On January 12 2012 20:54 Ruscour wrote:
edit: i was quite mean.

best of luck to cArn, keep at it...as long as he's still practicing hard i do not understand this decision.

Why should he keep at it? He has practiced over a year full time and still isnt that good. He seriously should stop trying to play this game professionally, he will never be top player.
Switchy
Profile Joined June 2011
343 Posts
January 12 2012 11:58 GMT
#34
Carn is not good enough to compete in the GSL. Yes Carn dedicated a lot to SC2 but its been a failure. If you try to be a pro you know the risks of that path, so we shouldnt really feel bad for him. Time to quit and get a real job carn.

And for everyone burning eSahara, do we really know everything to judge this situation? Is there actually any real information on how dedicated carn was in his practice?
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
January 12 2012 11:58 GMT
#35
On January 12 2012 20:57 mazqo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 20:54 Ruscour wrote:
edit: i was quite mean.

best of luck to cArn, keep at it...as long as he's still practicing hard i do not understand this decision.

Why should he keep at it? He has practiced over a year full time and still isnt that good. He seriously should stop trying to play this game professionally, he will never be top player.

Not with that attitude. Would you say the same about Jinro?
StarMoon
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada682 Posts
January 12 2012 11:59 GMT
#36
I used to really like his stream and the music that would come with it.

I miss it, I wish he would go back to streaming with his awesome tunes, I don't care if he's a top level terran.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
January 12 2012 11:59 GMT
#37
On January 12 2012 20:57 Jojo131 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 20:54 GoSuChicken wrote:
you shouldnt bash eSahara, cause i mean, they have a buisness to run. They pay him i guess, and if they dont feel that hes putting enough effort in it. They will part way with him.


From my understanding cArn's been in Korea on his own dime for quite a while now, even before eSahara. How much could they possibly have lost from a relatively no-name guy who didn't feel good enough yet to represent them for a qualifier? Im not even sure how eSahara was even supporting cArn other than maybe a salary to help him out?

He went to ESWC and PPSL. I'm guessing eSahara financed those trips (at least the ESWC one, the people who donated to IGN following the Gus debacle probably financed cArn's PPSL trip)...
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Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
January 12 2012 12:00 GMT
#38
They have no reason to get hate.
Teams don't support players out of charity, it's good if they do, but they are not bound to. He's been there for god says how long, doesn't really improve as far as results go, doesn't take part in team games. It's an effing job, you have to help your team too, it's a contract...
Even when in France he doesn't win games/go out of group play in french tournaments... What do you expect ? Next "appearance" would be next code A qualifiers in what ? more than 2 months ?

How long do you think a company would keep me if I worked very hard but failed in pretty much everything I was given to do or even wouldn't show up to some important thing ?
They already supported him quite long. It's good if he's trying hard, but my feeling is if it still doesn't work after so long, you ARE gonna run into problems. He's drama free unlike desRow, that's a good thing, but imo both of them are in pretty much the same situation.
NoiR
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
January 12 2012 12:00 GMT
#39
--- Nuked ---
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
January 12 2012 12:01 GMT
#40
ugh again drama, and again carn appears, tragic figure yes, but players need to give bread also not only teams, if hes not willing to play gsl qualifiers other events its basically like saying he doesnt exist in korea, and for sponsors its very bad, if your player doesnt exist. His personal drammas were already talked about many times months ago, and same pattern emerged almost any time.
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