EPTcArn and eSahara parts ways - Page 16
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Iatrik
Germany159 Posts
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On January 13 2012 14:33 Wolf wrote: When cArn says he couldn't practise for a few months, he doesn't mean "Well, for these months I didn't play StarCraft and I was walking around Seoul going to Cat Cafés and singing Christmas Carols". He means that he wasn't able to train in ideal conditions. Being with cArn through a lot of this transition period, I know it was difficult for him to train. Training in PC방 is not the same thing as being in a pro house, and it affected him mentally. I don't know anything about his training in the ProS House, but this guy did not back down when he was in the GOM House. And he put in the time. Was gonna post this but Wolf said it better. I met cArn in Seoul before, and I've seen him practice in some of the most non ideal conditions ever. Bash him for not having results sure, but anyone who talks about his dedication is retarded. And at least when I say non-ideal, I don't mean he didn't have a nice chair, it means shitty internet (yes, it happens even in Korea), no structured area, possibly moving around, horrible sleeping areas, etc | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
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KicKDoG
Sweden765 Posts
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simmeh
Canada2511 Posts
success will find him soon enough, and when it does ill be pretty damn happy for him would be cool if millenium picked him up or something, home team country support!! gl to carn in future | ||
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mazqo
Finland368 Posts
On January 13 2012 14:33 Wolf wrote: When cArn says he couldn't practise for a few months, he doesn't mean "Well, for these months I didn't play StarCraft and I was walking around Seoul going to Cat Cafés and singing Christmas Carols". He means that he wasn't able to train in ideal conditions. Being with cArn through a lot of this transition period, I know it was difficult for him to train. Training in PC방 is not the same thing as being in a pro house, and it affected him mentally. I don't know anything about his training in the ProS House, but this guy did not back down when he was in the GOM House. And he put in the time. How stupid is that? Why would cArn deserve to be in pro house? He is propably average grandmaster/top master level in eu/na. And you know what, 99.99% of foreigner progamers arent in pro house, still they train and dont cry "I CANNOT TRAIN IN IDEAL CONDITIONS" trollol. | ||
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kelyos
United Kingdom11 Posts
excepted eSahara there was no chance to see a great french team would have picked him gl to him anyway | ||
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Rubber
United States150 Posts
On January 13 2012 18:35 mazqo wrote: How stupid is that? Why would cArn deserve to be in pro house? He is propably average grandmaster/top master level in eu/na. And you know what, 99.99% of foreigner progamers arent in pro house, still they train and dont cry "I CANNOT TRAIN IN IDEAL CONDITIONS" trollol. Where the hell did he say that cArn "deserved" to be in a pro house? Are you just making shit up to argue with a well known community member? Trololol indeed. | ||
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CursedRich
United Kingdom737 Posts
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
I mean, cmon, he didn't even try to qualify this time. Yea, chances are low for that but will there really be time when someone can be comfortable that he can just go into those code A qualifiers and really qualify? He's been in korea for a year and hasn't really done anything to promote himself. Ok, he didn't qualify for GSL because that's freakishly hard, but how many daily/weekly tournaments did he even attend? If you wan't to become a pro nowadays you can't just sit at home and play sc2, you need to make a name out of yourself. That means you need to play in bunch of different tournaments, stream, arrange some showmatch etc.etc. so that you can create some fanbase and become marketable. GSL isn't everything. There are couple players who didn't win any real major tournament but they won over 40!!! daily/weekly/etc tournaments. Now everyone knows them and would like them in their roster. That's how it's done. because having attitude like "I wan't a team that will give me great conditions to practice so I can just sit and play and then some day try to qualify for GSL" just doesn't cut it. No team can afford that. | ||
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mazqo
Finland368 Posts
On January 13 2012 18:38 Rubber wrote: Where the hell did he say that cArn "deserved" to be in a pro house? Are you just making shit up to argue with a well known community member? Trololol indeed. He didnt say that, but if carns mindset is that he can only train in prohouse, then its kinda retarded. My post was towards carn and his "i cannot train without prohouse" | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On January 13 2012 18:38 kelyos wrote: not millenium for sure... excepted eSahara there was no chance to see a great french team would have picked him gl to him anyway +1 for Millenium, they didn't picked MoMaN, they let ToD go because he wanted to go for a very long time in Korea, no chance they pick cArn. For the other french teams...aAa maybe (very small chance imhp), or the belgium team BLAST, Acer has a french manager Frederick "Kaoru" Gau, he might be interested (Even if cArn + Nerchio in the same team would be a bit...weird to me). However, a big problem remains : He's in Korea and is invisible in tournaments, even online. It doesn't help to get a team. I think it's the point cArn has to think about if he wants to join a new team. | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On January 13 2012 19:00 mazqo wrote: He didnt say that, but if carns mindset is that he can only train in prohouse, then its kinda retarded. My post was towards carn and his "i cannot train without prohouse" But you don't know what types of conditions he had. No offense but you've probably never been to Korea, or spent any amount of time here to know what it's like as a foreigner. It's not that he can only train in a prohouse, it's that while a Prohouse might be the best environment to improve your skills, it's not like PC Bang's or where he was living is a good environment. His mindset isn't a prohouse = must, his mindset is a good environment, which while he's in Korea, he never really had consistently. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On January 13 2012 19:00 mazqo wrote: He didnt say that, but if carns mindset is that he can only train in prohouse, then its kinda retarded. My post was towards carn and his "i cannot train without prohouse" You're not understanding wolfs statement, an ideal condition doesn't mean "progaming house" in this scenario it only means a place where he would be able to practice. Now you imagine, he's in a foreign country with no financial support. PCbangs will cost him money and I don't really think he had the money for an apartment + internet. You do understand you can't practice without internet do you? | ||
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iiGreetings
Canada563 Posts
On January 12 2012 20:34 RPR_Tempest wrote: If that is honestly the reason they dropped him, then that's fucking bullshit. cArn is an incredibly hard working player. He decides not to attend ONE TIME and they drop him even though he's sacrificed everything to try and participate in GSL? What the fuck, eSahara. EDIT: If you're going to be disrespectful and say shit like "Who cares, cArn has achieved nothing." Read his blogs before you post. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=299855 http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=300320 http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=301987 Well he basically was brought to korea to train and then is like nahh i dont wanna do gsl i think il get raped. Like it never hurts to try right? From what they tell us it sounds like he just obviously doesn't care or feels he actually will just get raped and not want to embarass himself. Sad though  | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On January 13 2012 20:42 iiGreetings wrote: Well he basically was brought to korea to train and then is like nahh i dont wanna do gsl i think il get raped. Like it never hurts to try right? From what they tell us it sounds like he just obviously doesn't care or feels he actually will just get raped and not want to embarass himself. Sad though You should read some of cArn's backstory before you embarrass yourself. I dont' think anything of what you said is actually true. | ||
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MavivaM
1535 Posts
If anything, they had been kind enough to let us know what they really think. Carn's post explains everything else we may need. gl to both, that's all. | ||
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Jaxtyk
United States600 Posts
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VirGin
Norway278 Posts
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