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Iatrik
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany159 Posts
January 13 2012 07:09 GMT
#301
kindergarten
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Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
January 13 2012 07:17 GMT
#302
On January 13 2012 14:33 Wolf wrote:
When cArn says he couldn't practise for a few months, he doesn't mean "Well, for these months I didn't play StarCraft and I was walking around Seoul going to Cat Cafés and singing Christmas Carols". He means that he wasn't able to train in ideal conditions. Being with cArn through a lot of this transition period, I know it was difficult for him to train. Training in PC방 is not the same thing as being in a pro house, and it affected him mentally. I don't know anything about his training in the ProS House, but this guy did not back down when he was in the GOM House. And he put in the time.


Was gonna post this but Wolf said it better. I met cArn in Seoul before, and I've seen him practice in some of the most non ideal conditions ever. Bash him for not having results sure, but anyone who talks about his dedication is retarded.

And at least when I say non-ideal, I don't mean he didn't have a nice chair, it means shitty internet (yes, it happens even in Korea), no structured area, possibly moving around, horrible sleeping areas, etc
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
January 13 2012 09:10 GMT
#303
I appreciate both eSahara and cArn for speaking their mind. We know more about the situation now than we would have otherwise, when the usual happens with teams coming out with blanket statements and ignoring all questions and relevant comments.
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KicKDoG
Profile Joined December 2003
Sweden765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 09:17:37
January 13 2012 09:17 GMT
#304
agree'd with Nazgul! normally you never know what actually happened.
http://www.twitter.com/KicKDoG_LoL baylife plox?
simmeh
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2511 Posts
January 13 2012 09:28 GMT
#305
carn fighting! man hes been in korea for so long, thats dedication.i think i remember artosis interviewing him in like late 2010, (around when incontrol went to korea for a bit). damn!
success will find him soon enough, and when it does ill be pretty damn happy for him

would be cool if millenium picked him up or something, home team country support!!

gl to carn in future
byah!
mazqo
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland368 Posts
January 13 2012 09:35 GMT
#306
On January 13 2012 14:33 Wolf wrote:
When cArn says he couldn't practise for a few months, he doesn't mean "Well, for these months I didn't play StarCraft and I was walking around Seoul going to Cat Cafés and singing Christmas Carols". He means that he wasn't able to train in ideal conditions. Being with cArn through a lot of this transition period, I know it was difficult for him to train. Training in PC방 is not the same thing as being in a pro house, and it affected him mentally. I don't know anything about his training in the ProS House, but this guy did not back down when he was in the GOM House. And he put in the time.

How stupid is that? Why would cArn deserve to be in pro house? He is propably average grandmaster/top master level in eu/na. And you know what, 99.99% of foreigner progamers arent in pro house, still they train and dont cry "I CANNOT TRAIN IN IDEAL CONDITIONS" trollol.
kelyos
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom11 Posts
January 13 2012 09:38 GMT
#307
not millenium for sure...

excepted eSahara there was no chance to see a great french team would have picked him

gl to him anyway
Rubber
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States150 Posts
January 13 2012 09:38 GMT
#308
On January 13 2012 18:35 mazqo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 14:33 Wolf wrote:
When cArn says he couldn't practise for a few months, he doesn't mean "Well, for these months I didn't play StarCraft and I was walking around Seoul going to Cat Cafés and singing Christmas Carols". He means that he wasn't able to train in ideal conditions. Being with cArn through a lot of this transition period, I know it was difficult for him to train. Training in PC방 is not the same thing as being in a pro house, and it affected him mentally. I don't know anything about his training in the ProS House, but this guy did not back down when he was in the GOM House. And he put in the time.

How stupid is that? Why would cArn deserve to be in pro house? He is propably average grandmaster/top master level in eu/na. And you know what, 99.99% of foreigner progamers arent in pro house, still they train and dont cry "I CANNOT TRAIN IN IDEAL CONDITIONS" trollol.

Where the hell did he say that cArn "deserved" to be in a pro house? Are you just making shit up to argue with a well known community member? Trololol indeed.
"DONT TOUCH ME WITH THAT @#$%ING PROBE." User was probed for this post.
CursedRich
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom737 Posts
January 13 2012 09:39 GMT
#309
I think we will and should see more teams removing players that havent posted any results, its a natural evolution of the sport and always should be
Chill Winston......
bLah.
Profile Joined July 2009
Croatia497 Posts
January 13 2012 09:52 GMT
#310
So basically this guy needs a team that will support him all the way until he finally feels ready to go into GSL?
I mean, cmon, he didn't even try to qualify this time. Yea, chances are low for that but will there really be time when someone can be comfortable that he can just go into those code A qualifiers and really qualify?

He's been in korea for a year and hasn't really done anything to promote himself. Ok, he didn't qualify for GSL because that's freakishly hard, but how many daily/weekly tournaments did he even attend?

If you wan't to become a pro nowadays you can't just sit at home and play sc2, you need to make a name out of yourself. That means you need to play in bunch of different tournaments, stream, arrange some showmatch etc.etc. so that you can create some fanbase and become marketable.
GSL isn't everything. There are couple players who didn't win any real major tournament but they won over 40!!! daily/weekly/etc tournaments. Now everyone knows them and would like them in their roster. That's how it's done.

because having attitude like "I wan't a team that will give me great conditions to practice so I can just sit and play and then some day try to qualify for GSL" just doesn't cut it. No team can afford that.
mazqo
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland368 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 10:17:37
January 13 2012 10:00 GMT
#311
On January 13 2012 18:38 Rubber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 18:35 mazqo wrote:
On January 13 2012 14:33 Wolf wrote:
When cArn says he couldn't practise for a few months, he doesn't mean "Well, for these months I didn't play StarCraft and I was walking around Seoul going to Cat Cafés and singing Christmas Carols". He means that he wasn't able to train in ideal conditions. Being with cArn through a lot of this transition period, I know it was difficult for him to train. Training in PC방 is not the same thing as being in a pro house, and it affected him mentally. I don't know anything about his training in the ProS House, but this guy did not back down when he was in the GOM House. And he put in the time.

How stupid is that? Why would cArn deserve to be in pro house? He is propably average grandmaster/top master level in eu/na. And you know what, 99.99% of foreigner progamers arent in pro house, still they train and dont cry "I CANNOT TRAIN IN IDEAL CONDITIONS" trollol.

Where the hell did he say that cArn "deserved" to be in a pro house? Are you just making shit up to argue with a well known community member? Trololol indeed.

He didnt say that, but if carns mindset is that he can only train in prohouse, then its kinda retarded. My post was towards carn and his "i cannot train without prohouse"
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 10:22:41
January 13 2012 10:22 GMT
#312
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
January 13 2012 10:26 GMT
#313
On January 13 2012 18:38 kelyos wrote:
not millenium for sure...

excepted eSahara there was no chance to see a great french team would have picked him

gl to him anyway


+1 for Millenium, they didn't picked MoMaN, they let ToD go because he wanted to go for a very long time in Korea, no chance they pick cArn.

For the other french teams...aAa maybe (very small chance imhp), or the belgium team BLAST, Acer has a french manager Frederick "Kaoru" Gau, he might be interested (Even if cArn + Nerchio in the same team would be a bit...weird to me).

However, a big problem remains : He's in Korea and is invisible in tournaments, even online. It doesn't help to get a team.

I think it's the point cArn has to think about if he wants to join a new team.
"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
January 13 2012 10:56 GMT
#314
On January 13 2012 19:00 mazqo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 18:38 Rubber wrote:
On January 13 2012 18:35 mazqo wrote:
On January 13 2012 14:33 Wolf wrote:
When cArn says he couldn't practise for a few months, he doesn't mean "Well, for these months I didn't play StarCraft and I was walking around Seoul going to Cat Cafés and singing Christmas Carols". He means that he wasn't able to train in ideal conditions. Being with cArn through a lot of this transition period, I know it was difficult for him to train. Training in PC방 is not the same thing as being in a pro house, and it affected him mentally. I don't know anything about his training in the ProS House, but this guy did not back down when he was in the GOM House. And he put in the time.

How stupid is that? Why would cArn deserve to be in pro house? He is propably average grandmaster/top master level in eu/na. And you know what, 99.99% of foreigner progamers arent in pro house, still they train and dont cry "I CANNOT TRAIN IN IDEAL CONDITIONS" trollol.

Where the hell did he say that cArn "deserved" to be in a pro house? Are you just making shit up to argue with a well known community member? Trololol indeed.

He didnt say that, but if carns mindset is that he can only train in prohouse, then its kinda retarded. My post was towards carn and his "i cannot train without prohouse"


But you don't know what types of conditions he had. No offense but you've probably never been to Korea, or spent any amount of time here to know what it's like as a foreigner. It's not that he can only train in a prohouse, it's that while a Prohouse might be the best environment to improve your skills, it's not like PC Bang's or where he was living is a good environment. His mindset isn't a prohouse = must, his mindset is a good environment, which while he's in Korea, he never really had consistently.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
January 13 2012 11:36 GMT
#315
On January 13 2012 19:00 mazqo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 18:38 Rubber wrote:
On January 13 2012 18:35 mazqo wrote:
On January 13 2012 14:33 Wolf wrote:
When cArn says he couldn't practise for a few months, he doesn't mean "Well, for these months I didn't play StarCraft and I was walking around Seoul going to Cat Cafés and singing Christmas Carols". He means that he wasn't able to train in ideal conditions. Being with cArn through a lot of this transition period, I know it was difficult for him to train. Training in PC방 is not the same thing as being in a pro house, and it affected him mentally. I don't know anything about his training in the ProS House, but this guy did not back down when he was in the GOM House. And he put in the time.

How stupid is that? Why would cArn deserve to be in pro house? He is propably average grandmaster/top master level in eu/na. And you know what, 99.99% of foreigner progamers arent in pro house, still they train and dont cry "I CANNOT TRAIN IN IDEAL CONDITIONS" trollol.

Where the hell did he say that cArn "deserved" to be in a pro house? Are you just making shit up to argue with a well known community member? Trololol indeed.

He didnt say that, but if carns mindset is that he can only train in prohouse, then its kinda retarded. My post was towards carn and his "i cannot train without prohouse"

You're not understanding wolfs statement, an ideal condition doesn't mean "progaming house" in this scenario it only means a place where he would be able to practice. Now you imagine, he's in a foreign country with no financial support. PCbangs will cost him money and I don't really think he had the money for an apartment + internet. You do understand you can't practice without internet do you?
iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
January 13 2012 11:42 GMT
#316
On January 12 2012 20:34 RPR_Tempest wrote:
If that is honestly the reason they dropped him, then that's fucking bullshit. cArn is an incredibly hard working player. He decides not to attend ONE TIME and they drop him even though he's sacrificed everything to try and participate in GSL? What the fuck, eSahara.

EDIT: If you're going to be disrespectful and say shit like "Who cares, cArn has achieved nothing."

Read his blogs before you post.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=299855
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=300320
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=301987


Well he basically was brought to korea to train and then is like nahh i dont wanna do gsl i think il get raped. Like it never hurts to try right? From what they tell us it sounds like he just obviously doesn't care or feels he actually will just get raped and not want to embarass himself. Sad though
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Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
January 13 2012 12:32 GMT
#317
On January 13 2012 20:42 iiGreetings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 20:34 RPR_Tempest wrote:
If that is honestly the reason they dropped him, then that's fucking bullshit. cArn is an incredibly hard working player. He decides not to attend ONE TIME and they drop him even though he's sacrificed everything to try and participate in GSL? What the fuck, eSahara.

EDIT: If you're going to be disrespectful and say shit like "Who cares, cArn has achieved nothing."

Read his blogs before you post.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=299855
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=300320
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=301987


Well he basically was brought to korea to train and then is like nahh i dont wanna do gsl i think il get raped. Like it never hurts to try right? From what they tell us it sounds like he just obviously doesn't care or feels he actually will just get raped and not want to embarass himself. Sad though


You should read some of cArn's backstory before you embarrass yourself. I dont' think anything of what you said is actually true.
MavivaM
Profile Joined November 2011
1535 Posts
January 13 2012 12:47 GMT
#318
eSahara runs a business, if they think a player doesn't do what they require - be it results, public relationship or whatever - they have every right to close the partnership.
If anything, they had been kind enough to let us know what they really think.

Carn's post explains everything else we may need.

gl to both, that's all.
Your Opinion has been counted. Only 3 more Opinions needed for a reddit thread.
Jaxtyk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States600 Posts
January 13 2012 12:59 GMT
#319
This thread is lacking a good guy cArn meme
To tell the truth....I could beat anyone in the world.
VirGin
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 13:01:40
January 13 2012 13:01 GMT
#320
Teams don't pay and support players for fun. (maybe FXO :D) If you were a team manager, would you spend money on carn?
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