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On January 13 2012 04:22 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 04:18 bigbeau wrote:
Okay, he's obviously being signed not for being a player but for videos like Wolf was on FXO. Who cares what his skill level is, he's not competing for them, only putting their name on his videos that are already popular.
That being said, I honestly can't stand listening to him.. Him and his co-caster have no clue what's going on in half of those low-level cheesy games. They are misinformed about a lot of things, and really are kind of dull. But I guess check6 does what they think is best for them. That's what I'm wondering. If he's signed just to make content, is this even news? Especially if it's not an exclusive deal and he can continue with his Youtube channel. Then it's like "Someone making content for a team". That's not news. A few more details would be appreciated.
Yeah, I don't even understand what the benefit for him is. Check6 gets their name out with his videos, but are they sending him places like MLG to participate since he is at least a master player. Are they giving him content from their players? I just don't understand why he'd join them except to boost his ego by being on a team or something.
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On January 12 2012 20:29 snively wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 20:08 theBALLS wrote:
God I thought checksix signed a male porn star or something.
Good luck to him! ...What? Where does that even come from?
ha, his name comes off as sort of porn starish.
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no offence to maximus or check6 but there are so many people out there that play better than him and deserves to be on a pro team. this signing him to get more fans or make video content also feels stupid as the kinds of videos he makes are far from the proffesional quality u would like for a pro team or even esports at all.
I personally have lost most of my respect for this team :/
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Yet another baffling decision by Check 6. This org seems like they are just 100% content with mediocrity in SC2.
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Congrats Jeff!!! Good luck getting to GM!
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lol
so many gimmicky recruits. Get dat exposure checksix, any way you can.
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Sorry guys, but not everyone can spend outrageous amounts of money on Starcraft 2 players only to see a dismal return. We have to find a happy medium between cost, return and skill. Jeff is dedicated, has drive and we see potential in his play as well as brings amazing numbers on both his stream, Youtube and other social media. A lot of you are saying there are many other players that deserve it more than him, and I would love to hear examples of that. Sure, there might be a few but most are asking for 10x what they are worth due to the split from reality that Starcraft players seem to have when talking about what they are worth. Unfortunately, most of the people commenting negatively do not see this side of the equation and don't care to...but realize that just because you don't care to see it doesn't make it a reality. You'll believe that as you see more and more teams die from spending way too much money.
Either way, to those of you we have lost as fans I apologize. May I suggest you try your own hand at making a Starcraft team to fix where you believe we have failed. Best of luck.  In the meantime, we'll keep doing what we love for the players...and fans that appreciate it.
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At least now it's really obvious which teams are serious about being good and which teams don't really give a shit about competition...
Edit: And is he a player or a content producer for the team? If it's the latter, why would anyone care? If it's the former though, lol.
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So he is just going to make videos for check six? This isn't really worth a news bulletin.
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Can't say I'm interested in this pickup. There's a VOD somewhere on the internet showing BlackMaximum against someone who is banned forever from TL, and frankly, it was just painful to watch. Both the players were just noisy, obnoxious, and came off as annoying.
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On January 13 2012 05:19 KeyHunt wrote:Sorry guys, but not everyone can spend outrageous amounts of money on Starcraft 2 players only to see a dismal return. We have to find a happy medium between cost, return and skill. Jeff is dedicated, has drive and we see potential in his play as well as brings amazing numbers on both his stream, Youtube and other social media. A lot of you are saying there are many other players that deserve it more than him, and I would love to hear examples of that. Sure, there might be a few but most are asking for 10x what they are worth due to the split from reality that Starcraft players seem to have when talking about what they are worth. Unfortunately, most of the people commenting negatively do not see this side of the equation and don't care to...but realize that just because you don't care to see it doesn't make it a reality. You'll believe that as you see more and more teams die from spending way too much money. Either way, to those of you we have lost as fans I apologize. May I suggest you try your own hand at making a Starcraft team to fix where you believe we have failed. Best of luck. In the meantime, we'll keep doing what we love for the players...and fans that appreciate it.
That's all understandable and all, but there are a lot of unsigned GM players who would jump at a chance to join a team like Check6 but weren't given the chance. Of course GM outside Korea doesn't really mean they're all that good at SC, but it's still a pretty big step up from what you have now.
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On January 13 2012 05:34 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 05:19 KeyHunt wrote:Sorry guys, but not everyone can spend outrageous amounts of money on Starcraft 2 players only to see a dismal return. We have to find a happy medium between cost, return and skill. Jeff is dedicated, has drive and we see potential in his play as well as brings amazing numbers on both his stream, Youtube and other social media. A lot of you are saying there are many other players that deserve it more than him, and I would love to hear examples of that. Sure, there might be a few but most are asking for 10x what they are worth due to the split from reality that Starcraft players seem to have when talking about what they are worth. Unfortunately, most of the people commenting negatively do not see this side of the equation and don't care to...but realize that just because you don't care to see it doesn't make it a reality. You'll believe that as you see more and more teams die from spending way too much money. Either way, to those of you we have lost as fans I apologize. May I suggest you try your own hand at making a Starcraft team to fix where you believe we have failed. Best of luck. In the meantime, we'll keep doing what we love for the players...and fans that appreciate it. That's all understandable and all, but there are a lot of unsigned GM players who would jump at a chance to join a team like Check6 but weren't given the chance. Of course GM outside Korea doesn't really mean they're all that good at SC, but it's still a pretty big step up from what you have now.
Where is our return for picking up just random GM players? Picking up players; even those we don't send to MLG still costs...it's not exactly free.
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I think people are angry because they have an ideal that people join professional SC2 teams because they are good at SC2. This isn't the case. It seems that CheckSix isn't interested in the competitive aspect of SC2, but rather the "entertainment" aspect. Note: in quotes because there is a specific segement of the SC2 community, certainly not me.
If community continues to tune into these types of people, teams will continue this type of approach. Another team that comes to mind for this sort of thing is Complexity Gaming, I remember Naniwa's comment in an interview with Up Close Gamers on why he left the team that illustrates this point quite nicely - "It is the same for them if CatZ hits 5k viewers on his stream or that I place 2nd at an MLG and I did not agree with that point of view".
In this context, it's the same for CheckSix if this new pick up makes some videos as if they had a player do well at a tournament.
It's just a different way of looking at making money out of gaming, being competitive and skilled versus entertaining the masses. One approach isn't necessarily better or worse than the other.
Naniwa interview reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293251
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picking up popular players > picking up random gm's
at least you get some advertising back
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On January 13 2012 05:47 Netsky wrote:I think people are angry because they have an ideal that people join professional SC2 teams because they are good at SC2. This isn't the case. It seems that CheckSix isn't interested in the competitive aspect of SC2, but rather the "entertainment" aspect. Note: in quotes because there is a specific segement of the SC2 community, certainly not me. If community continues to tune into these types of people, teams will continue this type of approach. Another team that comes to mind for this sort of is Complexity Gaming, I remember Naniwa's comment in an interview with Up Close Gamers on why he left the team that illustrates this point quite nicely - "It is the same for them if CatZ hits 5k viewers on his stream or that I place 2nd at an MLG and I did not agree with that point of view". In this context, it's the same for CheckSix if this new pick up makes some videos as if they had a player do well at a tournament. It's just a different way of looking at making money out of gaming, being competitive and skilled versus entertaining the masses. One approach isn't necessarily better or worse than the other. Naniwa interview reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293251
I would say this is a decent explanation; but I wish people would look more into the "why" teams do this. There is obviously a reason right? We're not just aimlessly picking up players. Also, we're not strictly in it for "entertainment". We have great players, we have players we see potential in, we have casters, we have media people...the small return we have from others we have to make up somewhere. We sent over 30 people to MLG's last season..all of which are GM players except 1 who beat players like KawaiiRice, Demuslim, Choya, Attero and more. You know who got us the most exposure? Julia. So, as I said before we have to find a fine balance for both our sponsors, fans and ourselves. Every smart organization does this, some just have more luxury than others to make it less noticeable...trust me.
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Idk why people keep giving this guy attention. I for one, strongly dislike this guy. Total drama queen.
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I'm surprised by all the hate here... if you know so much about running a team, why not start your own and run it how you want? Anyway, it's sad to see so many people not giving Jeff a chance, I've been watching his stuff for a while and he's really a great guy, he cares about the community and his fans. I'm excited to see him blossom into a pro, I know he has the drive and the potential
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He is really low ranked in Masters (I would consider him a top Diamond) and frankly I really do not like what CheckSix is doing with their organization. They have been constantly signing players for the extra publicity and I don't even understand what they plan on doing with that extra e-fame. But if this is the step they want to take their team and focus on "entertainment" more than the competition than so be it. My only question is what kind of goals they currently have set because they are really unclear to me? Posting results doesn't seem to be at the top of the list for them right now.
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Huge fan of check6. Looking forward to seeing Maximus cast games from guys like Mkengyn, Suppy and Mystik.
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