Jeff Johnston better known as ‘MaximusBlack’ is a Masters Protoss Player. Jeff is better known as a commentator on Life’s A Glitch TV, and is also known for his channels most popular show “When Cheese Fails”. Jeff joins the ranks of Terran, PainUser, HDStarcraft, ThisIsJimmy, Suppy, Syckness, Veritas, Mystik, Mkengyn, Ailuj and others in Check-Six Gaming.
Jeff had the following to say: “I'm excited to have this opportunity with Check-Six. The team already has high expectations for me to hit GM and I aim to meet them. I also want to thank the managers and sponsors for making me feel so welcome and of course all my bouses and bousettes for being behind me over the past year.”
We all look forward to the coming year because with Jeff, we will be announcing some things that we hope will get the casual portion of the StarCraft 2 community involved! Here are a few words from the management of Check-Six;
Check6 Director, Curt ‘KeyHunt’ Carter: “We are incredibly excited to have Jeff on the team. He is one of the most vibrant, hilarious personalities in the community. When we initially spoke with him, we were a little hesitant at first but after 5 minutes with him everyone knew he was going to be a perfect fit. The community can learn a lot from Jeff. He took his part-time hobby and turned it into a full-time job... All while enjoying every minute of it. He will not only be doing a ton of amazing content for us like King of the Hill events, tournaments and show matches but he will also be playing for us as well. Our players and our management both see potential in his dedication to the game and drive to become better. That is enough for us, and hopefully that is enough for all our supporters as well.”
Check6 Director, Bernie ‘Fujikura’ Catalan: “The players and I are excited to see what's in store for Check-Six now that the Bouse himself is here; we're definitely going to have the most bouse team on battle.net now!”
Check6 SC2 Manager, Mike ‘winteR’ Ortlani: “I’m personally very excited to have Jeff on board because of his genuine dedication and extremely honest drive for improvement as both a player and a personality within the SC2 community. These qualities are as essential in building a successful team as much as they are in developing the ever-growing E-Sports industry.”
As usual, none of this would be possible without the amazing support from our sponsors TteSPORTS, Puretrak and GamersUniform. For updates on CheckSix Gaming and Jeff, you may follow us on the usual social media sites listed below:
I was wondering how long it would take you to chime in!
As Jeff brings a lot to the table for both Check6 and more importantly the SC2 community in general we felt it prudent to see our plans through in posting an official PR for him. This press release would have been posted prior to the fan made thread had it not been for his fans crashing our website (and consequently our initial PR posted on our main page) following the release of his announcement video on youtube.
Most of Jeff's viewership and fan base currently stems from the Reddit community and so he is not as widely known on TL. I would urge anyone who is reading this and doesn't know Jeff to give his stream and youtube channel a look.
Cheers~
P.S. We have contacted TL administration to have the fan-made thread closed in lieu of this one.
i remember seeing games on his channel back when he was s lowly platinum noobie like myself. Great to see him have such a great opportunity on a great team
Isn't that the guy that accused someone else for streamcheating, told him to kill himself and told his streamchat to spam that guy WHILE having blacked out his stream?
i get that everyne is a bit sceptic of this, bu as someone who has followed MB for a whle i can say that he could be a pretty good player and is willing to put in he work. hope he does well
Wow, very interesting move to sign on this side of LAGtv, especially considering Maximus' history with drama and reddit's strong dislike for him. Oh well, we'll have to see how this pans out I suppose.
On January 12 2012 21:16 KeksX wrote: Isn't that the guy that accused someone else for streamcheating, told him to kill himself and told his streamchat to spam that guy WHILE having blacked out his stream?
Or am I mistaking him for someone else?
You're not.
The addition of Maximus Black to xSix makes them seem unprofessional and opportunistic to me. I am quite disappointed that a "Pro Team" signs a Diamond player just because of his Youtube fame.
HD for example is actually a good player but this is just a publicity stunt.
On January 12 2012 21:16 KeksX wrote: Isn't that the guy that accused someone else for streamcheating, told him to kill himself and told his streamchat to spam that guy WHILE having blacked out his stream?
Or am I mistaking him for someone else?
You're not.
The addition of Maximus Black to xSix makes them seem unprofessional and opportunistic to me. I am quite disappointed that a "Pro Team" signs a Diamond player just because of his Youtube fame.
HD for example is actually a good player but this is just a publicity stunt.
Seems like your point of view is extremely biased. HD (a guy that got famous off of YouTube videos) = example of good player. Maximus Black (same thing and is also in Masters) is being opportunistic. Something is wrong with your logic.
Lets be realistic here, nearly every pro-team does this one way or another. Signing up people who aren't neccesarily the best available but do good in public. Some teams get a cute girl, others get a caster. G/l check6 with your new bouse player.
On January 12 2012 21:23 Haffi wrote: Why does CheckSix keep signing Diamond players?
...He's in Masters. It's right there in the first sentence of the OP.
I always love watching his stream. Cheese makes for much more interesting games.
I was wondering about that too, he's battle.net account is top diamond though?
EDIT: And that's a pretty weird line-up anyway. Are they recruiting players or just e-famous people to gain publicity?
He's got a couple accounts. At least one of them is in Masters. ESports is all about bringing in viewers and Maximus has an entire community following. He has a lot of value to offer to a team and is even a decent player to boot.
There are lots of ways to bring in viewers and being a top player is only one of them. As an personal example the streams I watch are the ones where the streamer commentates and interacts with the stream. I for example don't watch Naniwa's stream even though he is arguably the best foreign Toss.
I don't know if Jeff knows enough about the game to provide good analysis though. Sure hes in masters but you don't have to be well versed to be in masters anyways. Just need to have a few good builds + put in the time and practise.
I'm going to be a bit rude here and say that this guy just isn't good enough to be in checksix.
Oh well if you look at their roster it isn't amazing, might aswell sign a diamond next. I mean this guy is low fucking masters, makes money with his channel and he wants to be in gm..
On January 13 2012 00:00 poorcloud wrote: so what about novawar?
I don't know if Jeff knows enough about the game to provide good analysis though. Sure hes in masters but you don't have to be well versed to be in masters anyways. Just need to have a few good builds + put in the time and practise.
Novawar barely plays, he won't be getting on a team at all.
MaximusBlack has improved considerably since he used to be just 4gate and/or DTs, he's also put in a lot of time towards getting to Master's. x6 have signed him because of his potential and his community work (and the amount of fans LAGTV has, which they obviously want to tap), and I hope he can actually fulfill that potential just because I like LAGTV :D
Okay, he's obviously being signed not for being a player but for videos like Wolf was on FXO. Who cares what his skill level is, he's not competing for them, only putting their name on his videos that are already popular.
That being said, I honestly can't stand listening to him.. Him and his co-caster have no clue what's going on in half of those low-level cheesy games. They are misinformed about a lot of things, and really are kind of dull. But I guess check6 does what they think is best for them.
this is the reason I liked jeff before he got signed. Grats man keep up the good work!! :D
Is that supposed to be in any way funny or entertaining? Just seems immature. Also I may be mistaken, but pretty sure when cheese fails is that show that NASL showed an episode of during a break back in season 1, and the whole episode the guys (on the when cheese fails show) were joking about rape or something, and NASL got a lot of backlash for showing it on their show, which in turn turned to when cheese fails getting the backlash for being completely unprofessional and unfunny.
On January 13 2012 04:18 bigbeau wrote: Okay, he's obviously being signed not for being a player but for videos like Wolf was on FXO. Who cares what his skill level is, he's not competing for them, only putting their name on his videos that are already popular.
That being said, I honestly can't stand listening to him.. Him and his co-caster have no clue what's going on in half of those low-level cheesy games. They are misinformed about a lot of things, and really are kind of dull. But I guess check6 does what they think is best for them.
That's what I'm wondering. If he's signed just to make content, is this even news? Especially if it's not an exclusive deal and he can continue with his Youtube channel. Then it's like "Someone making content for a team". That's not news.
On January 13 2012 04:18 bigbeau wrote: Okay, he's obviously being signed not for being a player but for videos like Wolf was on FXO. Who cares what his skill level is, he's not competing for them, only putting their name on his videos that are already popular.
That being said, I honestly can't stand listening to him.. Him and his co-caster have no clue what's going on in half of those low-level cheesy games. They are misinformed about a lot of things, and really are kind of dull. But I guess check6 does what they think is best for them.
It doesn't say that they've signed him to cast specifically. If anything, it kind of looks like they want him to play, you know.. if you read the whole OP. Here I'll give you a few hints at why he will be playing. ".. a masters Protoss.." "The team already has high expectations for me to hit GM and I aim to meet them."
And then the black and white "He will not only be doing a ton of amazing content for us like King of the Hill events, tournaments and show matches but he will also be playing for us as well."
It states throughout the OP that he WILL BE PLAYING FOR x6.
Edit: I can understand how people think it's just for his casting, but why pretty much have every sentence saying his playing?
On January 13 2012 04:18 bigbeau wrote: Okay, he's obviously being signed not for being a player but for videos like Wolf was on FXO. Who cares what his skill level is, he's not competing for them, only putting their name on his videos that are already popular.
That being said, I honestly can't stand listening to him.. Him and his co-caster have no clue what's going on in half of those low-level cheesy games. They are misinformed about a lot of things, and really are kind of dull. But I guess check6 does what they think is best for them.
That's what I'm wondering. If he's signed just to make content, is this even news? Especially if it's not an exclusive deal and he can continue with his Youtube channel. Then it's like "Someone making content for a team". That's not news.
A few more details would be appreciated.
Yeah, I don't even understand what the benefit for him is. Check6 gets their name out with his videos, but are they sending him places like MLG to participate since he is at least a master player. Are they giving him content from their players? I just don't understand why he'd join them except to boost his ego by being on a team or something.
no offence to maximus or check6 but there are so many people out there that play better than him and deserves to be on a pro team. this signing him to get more fans or make video content also feels stupid as the kinds of videos he makes are far from the proffesional quality u would like for a pro team or even esports at all. I personally have lost most of my respect for this team :/
Sorry guys, but not everyone can spend outrageous amounts of money on Starcraft 2 players only to see a dismal return. We have to find a happy medium between cost, return and skill. Jeff is dedicated, has drive and we see potential in his play as well as brings amazing numbers on both his stream, Youtube and other social media. A lot of you are saying there are many other players that deserve it more than him, and I would love to hear examples of that. Sure, there might be a few but most are asking for 10x what they are worth due to the split from reality that Starcraft players seem to have when talking about what they are worth. Unfortunately, most of the people commenting negatively do not see this side of the equation and don't care to...but realize that just because you don't care to see it doesn't make it a reality. You'll believe that as you see more and more teams die from spending way too much money.
Either way, to those of you we have lost as fans I apologize. May I suggest you try your own hand at making a Starcraft team to fix where you believe we have failed. Best of luck. In the meantime, we'll keep doing what we love for the players...and fans that appreciate it.
Can't say I'm interested in this pickup. There's a VOD somewhere on the internet showing BlackMaximum against someone who is banned forever from TL, and frankly, it was just painful to watch. Both the players were just noisy, obnoxious, and came off as annoying.
On January 13 2012 05:19 KeyHunt wrote: Sorry guys, but not everyone can spend outrageous amounts of money on Starcraft 2 players only to see a dismal return. We have to find a happy medium between cost, return and skill. Jeff is dedicated, has drive and we see potential in his play as well as brings amazing numbers on both his stream, Youtube and other social media. A lot of you are saying there are many other players that deserve it more than him, and I would love to hear examples of that. Sure, there might be a few but most are asking for 10x what they are worth due to the split from reality that Starcraft players seem to have when talking about what they are worth. Unfortunately, most of the people commenting negatively do not see this side of the equation and don't care to...but realize that just because you don't care to see it doesn't make it a reality. You'll believe that as you see more and more teams die from spending way too much money.
Either way, to those of you we have lost as fans I apologize. May I suggest you try your own hand at making a Starcraft team to fix where you believe we have failed. Best of luck. In the meantime, we'll keep doing what we love for the players...and fans that appreciate it.
That's all understandable and all, but there are a lot of unsigned GM players who would jump at a chance to join a team like Check6 but weren't given the chance. Of course GM outside Korea doesn't really mean they're all that good at SC, but it's still a pretty big step up from what you have now.
On January 13 2012 05:19 KeyHunt wrote: Sorry guys, but not everyone can spend outrageous amounts of money on Starcraft 2 players only to see a dismal return. We have to find a happy medium between cost, return and skill. Jeff is dedicated, has drive and we see potential in his play as well as brings amazing numbers on both his stream, Youtube and other social media. A lot of you are saying there are many other players that deserve it more than him, and I would love to hear examples of that. Sure, there might be a few but most are asking for 10x what they are worth due to the split from reality that Starcraft players seem to have when talking about what they are worth. Unfortunately, most of the people commenting negatively do not see this side of the equation and don't care to...but realize that just because you don't care to see it doesn't make it a reality. You'll believe that as you see more and more teams die from spending way too much money.
Either way, to those of you we have lost as fans I apologize. May I suggest you try your own hand at making a Starcraft team to fix where you believe we have failed. Best of luck. In the meantime, we'll keep doing what we love for the players...and fans that appreciate it.
That's all understandable and all, but there are a lot of unsigned GM players who would jump at a chance to join a team like Check6 but weren't given the chance. Of course GM outside Korea doesn't really mean they're all that good at SC, but it's still a pretty big step up from what you have now.
Where is our return for picking up just random GM players? Picking up players; even those we don't send to MLG still costs...it's not exactly free.
I think people are angry because they have an ideal that people join professional SC2 teams because they are good at SC2. This isn't the case. It seems that CheckSix isn't interested in the competitive aspect of SC2, but rather the "entertainment" aspect. Note: in quotes because there is a specific segement of the SC2 community, certainly not me.
If community continues to tune into these types of people, teams will continue this type of approach. Another team that comes to mind for this sort of thing is Complexity Gaming, I remember Naniwa's comment in an interview with Up Close Gamers on why he left the team that illustrates this point quite nicely - "It is the same for them if CatZ hits 5k viewers on his stream or that I place 2nd at an MLG and I did not agree with that point of view".
In this context, it's the same for CheckSix if this new pick up makes some videos as if they had a player do well at a tournament.
It's just a different way of looking at making money out of gaming, being competitive and skilled versus entertaining the masses. One approach isn't necessarily better or worse than the other.
On January 13 2012 05:47 Netsky wrote: I think people are angry because they have an ideal that people join professional SC2 teams because they are good at SC2. This isn't the case. It seems that CheckSix isn't interested in the competitive aspect of SC2, but rather the "entertainment" aspect. Note: in quotes because there is a specific segement of the SC2 community, certainly not me.
If community continues to tune into these types of people, teams will continue this type of approach. Another team that comes to mind for this sort of is Complexity Gaming, I remember Naniwa's comment in an interview with Up Close Gamers on why he left the team that illustrates this point quite nicely - "It is the same for them if CatZ hits 5k viewers on his stream or that I place 2nd at an MLG and I did not agree with that point of view".
In this context, it's the same for CheckSix if this new pick up makes some videos as if they had a player do well at a tournament.
It's just a different way of looking at making money out of gaming, being competitive and skilled versus entertaining the masses. One approach isn't necessarily better or worse than the other.
I would say this is a decent explanation; but I wish people would look more into the "why" teams do this. There is obviously a reason right? We're not just aimlessly picking up players. Also, we're not strictly in it for "entertainment". We have great players, we have players we see potential in, we have casters, we have media people...the small return we have from others we have to make up somewhere. We sent over 30 people to MLG's last season..all of which are GM players except 1 who beat players like KawaiiRice, Demuslim, Choya, Attero and more. You know who got us the most exposure? Julia. So, as I said before we have to find a fine balance for both our sponsors, fans and ourselves. Every smart organization does this, some just have more luxury than others to make it less noticeable...trust me.
I'm surprised by all the hate here... if you know so much about running a team, why not start your own and run it how you want? Anyway, it's sad to see so many people not giving Jeff a chance, I've been watching his stuff for a while and he's really a great guy, he cares about the community and his fans. I'm excited to see him blossom into a pro, I know he has the drive and the potential
He is really low ranked in Masters (I would consider him a top Diamond) and frankly I really do not like what CheckSix is doing with their organization. They have been constantly signing players for the extra publicity and I don't even understand what they plan on doing with that extra e-fame. But if this is the step they want to take their team and focus on "entertainment" more than the competition than so be it. My only question is what kind of goals they currently have set because they are really unclear to me? Posting results doesn't seem to be at the top of the list for them right now.
I think it's pretty cool, I like Maximus Black, pretty much watch all his stuff now, even non-SC2 videos, he's usually the first channel I check now.
But I'm sure he's not intended to be a competitive player or anything, he just got into Masters this season, but he's also not bad enough that it's a totally useless player.
He's a personality with a large fan base, He'll benefit from this as a player and personality and the team will benefit from his fan base and stuff.
He pretty much spells out the plan in the video that I'm sure like 5% of people actually watched.
On January 13 2012 05:47 Netsky wrote: I think people are angry because they have an ideal that people join professional SC2 teams because they are good at SC2. This isn't the case. It seems that CheckSix isn't interested in the competitive aspect of SC2, but rather the "entertainment" aspect. Note: in quotes because there is a specific segement of the SC2 community, certainly not me.
If community continues to tune into these types of people, teams will continue this type of approach. Another team that comes to mind for this sort of is Complexity Gaming, I remember Naniwa's comment in an interview with Up Close Gamers on why he left the team that illustrates this point quite nicely - "It is the same for them if CatZ hits 5k viewers on his stream or that I place 2nd at an MLG and I did not agree with that point of view".
In this context, it's the same for CheckSix if this new pick up makes some videos as if they had a player do well at a tournament.
It's just a different way of looking at making money out of gaming, being competitive and skilled versus entertaining the masses. One approach isn't necessarily better or worse than the other.
I would say this is a decent explanation; but I wish people would look more into the "why" teams do this. There is obviously a reason right? We're not just aimlessly picking up players. Also, we're not strictly in it for "entertainment". We have great players, we have players we see potential in, we have casters, we have media people...the small return we have from others we have to make up somewhere. We sent over 30 people to MLG's last season..all of which are GM players except 1 who beat players like KawaiiRice, Demuslim, Choya, Attero and more. You know who got us the most exposure? Julia. So, as I said before we have to find a fine balance for both our sponsors, fans and ourselves. Every smart organization does this, some just have more luxury than others to make it less noticeable...trust me.
The fact that a random diamond girl got the most publicity for a pro gaming team just shows how much of a disgrace the sc2 community is. I'm honestly very disappointed. I really wish teams didn't have to have a weird balance between community figures and actual good players.
On January 13 2012 05:47 Netsky wrote: I think people are angry because they have an ideal that people join professional SC2 teams because they are good at SC2. This isn't the case. It seems that CheckSix isn't interested in the competitive aspect of SC2, but rather the "entertainment" aspect. Note: in quotes because there is a specific segement of the SC2 community, certainly not me.
If community continues to tune into these types of people, teams will continue this type of approach. Another team that comes to mind for this sort of is Complexity Gaming, I remember Naniwa's comment in an interview with Up Close Gamers on why he left the team that illustrates this point quite nicely - "It is the same for them if CatZ hits 5k viewers on his stream or that I place 2nd at an MLG and I did not agree with that point of view".
In this context, it's the same for CheckSix if this new pick up makes some videos as if they had a player do well at a tournament.
It's just a different way of looking at making money out of gaming, being competitive and skilled versus entertaining the masses. One approach isn't necessarily better or worse than the other.
I would say this is a decent explanation; but I wish people would look more into the "why" teams do this. There is obviously a reason right? We're not just aimlessly picking up players. Also, we're not strictly in it for "entertainment". We have great players, we have players we see potential in, we have casters, we have media people...the small return we have from others we have to make up somewhere. We sent over 30 people to MLG's last season..all of which are GM players except 1 who beat players like KawaiiRice, Demuslim, Choya, Attero and more. You know who got us the most exposure? Julia. So, as I said before we have to find a fine balance for both our sponsors, fans and ourselves. Every smart organization does this, some just have more luxury than others to make it less noticeable...trust me.
The fact that a random diamond girl got the most publicity for a pro gaming team just shows how much of a disgrace the sc2 community is. I'm honestly very disappointed. I really wish teams didn't have to have a weird balance between community figures and actual good players.
Well unfortunately the fact of the matter is that finding this balance is a necessity for most teams. The goal for a professional team in this industry is to gain sponsors. The best way to do that is to prove to sponsors you can gain them enough exposure with your organization to make the money they give to you worth their while. They want to see a return on their investment.
In Lamens: Views + publicity = exposure = sponsorship = monetary support = better players = better team.
The reality is that the current SC2 player market is quite inflated. Not every team has the budget of EG and the means to pick up players like Huk and Idra. Instead those organizations must use what funds they have to find an alternative way to make a return on their investment (in the same aspect that sponsors seek to do so). Buying top tier players who will or may post top results is not the only model to running a succesful team and is certainly not the only way to gain exposure.
On January 13 2012 05:19 KeyHunt wrote: Sorry guys, but not everyone can spend outrageous amounts of money on Starcraft 2 players only to see a dismal return. We have to find a happy medium between cost, return and skill. Jeff is dedicated, has drive and we see potential in his play as well as brings amazing numbers on both his stream, Youtube and other social media. A lot of you are saying there are many other players that deserve it more than him, and I would love to hear examples of that. Sure, there might be a few but most are asking for 10x what they are worth due to the split from reality that Starcraft players seem to have when talking about what they are worth. Unfortunately, most of the people commenting negatively do not see this side of the equation and don't care to...but realize that just because you don't care to see it doesn't make it a reality. You'll believe that as you see more and more teams die from spending way too much money.
Either way, to those of you we have lost as fans I apologize. May I suggest you try your own hand at making a Starcraft team to fix where you believe we have failed. Best of luck. In the meantime, we'll keep doing what we love for the players...and fans that appreciate it.
That's all understandable and all, but there are a lot of unsigned GM players who would jump at a chance to join a team like Check6 but weren't given the chance. Of course GM outside Korea doesn't really mean they're all that good at SC, but it's still a pretty big step up from what you have now.
Where is our return for picking up just random GM players? Picking up players; even those we don't send to MLG still costs...it's not exactly free.
Ok i can see where u are coming from with the economics and that but i dont see how you could call yourself a professional team if you just want players for publicity and even there its kinda idiotic there are really many good players out there who can give you more publicity if you gave them a chance, for instance the players RunA and SortOf have beaten top players many times both on ladder and in online cups but they never get a chance to be seen because they need a team to support them to get to events like MLG. I doubt it that they would like to get 6times their worth to be on a team too, most people i know would jump on the chance to join a pro team (even tought check6 dosnt seem to be much off a pro team now) but to your logic if they want to be on a team they instead have to bm people on ladder while streaming to get your intresst because thats apperantly were this community is headed.
On January 13 2012 05:19 KeyHunt wrote: Sorry guys, but not everyone can spend outrageous amounts of money on Starcraft 2 players only to see a dismal return. We have to find a happy medium between cost, return and skill. Jeff is dedicated, has drive and we see potential in his play as well as brings amazing numbers on both his stream, Youtube and other social media. A lot of you are saying there are many other players that deserve it more than him, and I would love to hear examples of that. Sure, there might be a few but most are asking for 10x what they are worth due to the split from reality that Starcraft players seem to have when talking about what they are worth. Unfortunately, most of the people commenting negatively do not see this side of the equation and don't care to...but realize that just because you don't care to see it doesn't make it a reality. You'll believe that as you see more and more teams die from spending way too much money.
Either way, to those of you we have lost as fans I apologize. May I suggest you try your own hand at making a Starcraft team to fix where you believe we have failed. Best of luck. In the meantime, we'll keep doing what we love for the players...and fans that appreciate it.
That's all understandable and all, but there are a lot of unsigned GM players who would jump at a chance to join a team like Check6 but weren't given the chance. Of course GM outside Korea doesn't really mean they're all that good at SC, but it's still a pretty big step up from what you have now.
Where is our return for picking up just random GM players? Picking up players; even those we don't send to MLG still costs...it's not exactly free.
Ok i can see where u are coming from with the economics and that but i dont see how you could call yourself a professional team if you just want players for publicity and even there its kinda idiotic there are really many good players out there who can give you more publicity if you gave them a chance, for instance the players RunA and SortOf have beaten top players many times both on ladder and in online cups but they never get a chance to be seen because they need a team to support them to get to events like MLG. I doubt it that they would like to get 6times their worth to be on a team too, most people i know would jump on the chance to join a pro team (even tought check6 dosnt seem to be much off a pro team now) but to your logic if they want to be on a team they instead have to bm people on ladder while streaming to get your intresst because thats apperantly were this community is headed.
There are a ton of players that deserve a chance. However, the bigger chance we take..the more likely we are to fail. We have to get players that bring the numbers either via wins or other ways to support our team and sponsors. Unfortunately, taking a chance on a few players strictly based on skill we have done for over a year in Starcraft and it hasn't worked out as well as we need ( despite doing very well I think ). Also, realize that everyone saying how our team doesn't seem "pro" anymore is proving my point. We still have Ver, Mystik, Suppy, Juan, Syckness and many more players that have done extremely well at both MLG and online..and by saying we're a team full of only media people is proving my point that people only pay attention to those with huge media attention and not those that have done consistently well in everything they have played in.
On January 14 2012 02:03 YouinashouRi wrote: Honestly some top master/gm players would be willing to join a pro team for free, just to practice and get exposure for themselves.
Too many people sitting on high horses here. TL isnt a totally elitist place. Very happy for him! Best of luck in your future endeavours Check6 and Maximus!
On January 13 2012 05:47 Netsky wrote: I think people are angry because they have an ideal that people join professional SC2 teams because they are good at SC2. This isn't the case. It seems that CheckSix isn't interested in the competitive aspect of SC2, but rather the "entertainment" aspect. Note: in quotes because there is a specific segement of the SC2 community, certainly not me.
If community continues to tune into these types of people, teams will continue this type of approach. Another team that comes to mind for this sort of is Complexity Gaming, I remember Naniwa's comment in an interview with Up Close Gamers on why he left the team that illustrates this point quite nicely - "It is the same for them if CatZ hits 5k viewers on his stream or that I place 2nd at an MLG and I did not agree with that point of view".
In this context, it's the same for CheckSix if this new pick up makes some videos as if they had a player do well at a tournament.
It's just a different way of looking at making money out of gaming, being competitive and skilled versus entertaining the masses. One approach isn't necessarily better or worse than the other.
I would say this is a decent explanation; but I wish people would look more into the "why" teams do this. There is obviously a reason right? We're not just aimlessly picking up players. Also, we're not strictly in it for "entertainment". We have great players, we have players we see potential in, we have casters, we have media people...the small return we have from others we have to make up somewhere. We sent over 30 people to MLG's last season..all of which are GM players except 1 who beat players like KawaiiRice, Demuslim, Choya, Attero and more. You know who got us the most exposure? Julia. So, as I said before we have to find a fine balance for both our sponsors, fans and ourselves. Every smart organization does this, some just have more luxury than others to make it less noticeable...trust me.
The fact that a random diamond girl got the most publicity for a pro gaming team just shows how much of a disgrace the sc2 community is. I'm honestly very disappointed. I really wish teams didn't have to have a weird balance between community figures and actual good players.
Except Maximus is a very entertaining personality and does a lot of good work with LAGtv. I think it's unfair to lump him in the same category as Julia, who literally only received the attention she did for being female lol.
Why does x6 keep signing people that have absolutely no potential to win tournaments? I'm not trying to be BM, or be an asshole, but it just doesn't make any sense to me.
eh
this came off a little mean, good luck to you x6, and maximus. I love me some when cheese fails
On February 14 2012 07:23 TOdesKaMpF wrote: Why does x6 keep signing people that have absolutely no potential to win tournaments? I'm not trying to be BM, or be an asshole, but it just doesn't make any sense to me.
eh
this came off a little mean, good luck to you x6, and maximus. I love me some when cheese fails
While winning tournaments is definitely what we are doing at heart (trust me we're trying constantly to get better), sponsors still care greatly about overall exposure; and at the end of the day they keep us afloat.
On February 14 2012 07:23 TOdesKaMpF wrote: Why does x6 keep signing people that have absolutely no potential to win tournaments? I'm not trying to be BM, or be an asshole, but it just doesn't make any sense to me.
eh
this came off a little mean, good luck to you x6, and maximus. I love me some when cheese fails
While winning tournaments is definitely what we are doing at heart (trust me we're trying constantly to get better), sponsors still care greatly about overall exposure; and at the end of the day they keep us afloat.
Cant stand teams like this, ruining E-sport with your stupid media shit. This actually makes me mad, cause i know a ton of amazing players(compared to Mr. Black at least) who is figthing to get a chance like this, and then they get overlooked for at MOST a low master.
On February 14 2012 07:23 TOdesKaMpF wrote: Why does x6 keep signing people that have absolutely no potential to win tournaments? I'm not trying to be BM, or be an asshole, but it just doesn't make any sense to me.
eh
this came off a little mean, good luck to you x6, and maximus. I love me some when cheese fails
Way to bump a month old thread to shout something shitty at someone. Winning tournaments is not the only benefit a player can offer to a team. If you dont understand this then I dont know what to say.
On February 14 2012 07:23 TOdesKaMpF wrote: Why does x6 keep signing people that have absolutely no potential to win tournaments? I'm not trying to be BM, or be an asshole, but it just doesn't make any sense to me.
eh
this came off a little mean, good luck to you x6, and maximus. I love me some when cheese fails
Way to bump a month old thread to shout something shitty at someone. Winning tournaments is not the only benefit a player can offer to a team. If you dont understand this then I dont know what to say.
But usually the benefits players offer teams if not tournament results, are being good practice partners. But, most foreign teams want marketability from foreigners, not skill. Thre are plenty of code a/b koreans that are better than most foreigners who join foreign teams for pretty cheap because they don't make much from their korean teams. So that leaves foreigners with basically just having the marketability niche. It's quite sad, I'd love for foreigners to be better and for all the players who are diamond/low master that get signed just for their fan base or whatever to be phased out. But I don't think it's going to happen. Sponsors want views, and it seems foreigners are shifting more and more towards being marketable rather than being good.
Good to see he is doing better. When he was getting coached on Desrow's stream he was like...low plat league and doing terrible.
Well, guess that proves it. If you have unlimited time to play, anyone can succeed in some way, while us working people rot in the ditches of depression and defeat
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