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bluehawky
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom183 Posts
January 13 2012 00:41 GMT
#61
Very happy for maximus, though it does kinda contradict that there channel only uploads content from lower league players.
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EnderSword
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada669 Posts
January 13 2012 00:54 GMT
#62
I think it's pretty cool, I like Maximus Black, pretty much watch all his stuff now, even non-SC2 videos, he's usually the first channel I check now.

But I'm sure he's not intended to be a competitive player or anything, he just got into Masters this season, but he's also not bad enough that it's a totally useless player.

He's a personality with a large fan base, He'll benefit from this as a player and personality and the team will benefit from his fan base and stuff.

He pretty much spells out the plan in the video that I'm sure like 5% of people actually watched.
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Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
January 13 2012 01:51 GMT
#63
I don't understand. Do people actually think that he was signed because he was a really good player?

It's really obvious that he's there to draw attention to the team...
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 13 2012 01:54 GMT
#64
YES I love LagTV, Maximus rocks too! I originally thought it said they signed JeffJew, a Riot developer XD
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
January 13 2012 02:03 GMT
#65
On January 13 2012 05:55 KeyHunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 05:47 Netsky wrote:
I think people are angry because they have an ideal that people join professional SC2 teams because they are good at SC2. This isn't the case. It seems that CheckSix isn't interested in the competitive aspect of SC2, but rather the "entertainment" aspect. Note: in quotes because there is a specific segement of the SC2 community, certainly not me.

If community continues to tune into these types of people, teams will continue this type of approach. Another team that comes to mind for this sort of is Complexity Gaming, I remember Naniwa's comment in an interview with Up Close Gamers on why he left the team that illustrates this point quite nicely - "It is the same for them if CatZ hits 5k viewers on his stream or that I place 2nd at an MLG and I did not agree with that point of view".

In this context, it's the same for CheckSix if this new pick up makes some videos as if they had a player do well at a tournament.

It's just a different way of looking at making money out of gaming, being competitive and skilled versus entertaining the masses. One approach isn't necessarily better or worse than the other.

Naniwa interview reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293251


I would say this is a decent explanation; but I wish people would look more into the "why" teams do this. There is obviously a reason right? We're not just aimlessly picking up players. Also, we're not strictly in it for "entertainment". We have great players, we have players we see potential in, we have casters, we have media people...the small return we have from others we have to make up somewhere. We sent over 30 people to MLG's last season..all of which are GM players except 1 who beat players like KawaiiRice, Demuslim, Choya, Attero and more. You know who got us the most exposure? Julia. So, as I said before we have to find a fine balance for both our sponsors, fans and ourselves. Every smart organization does this, some just have more luxury than others to make it less noticeable...trust me.



The fact that a random diamond girl got the most publicity for a pro gaming team just shows how much of a disgrace the sc2 community is. I'm honestly very disappointed. I really wish teams didn't have to have a weird balance between community figures and actual good players.
WinterTV
Profile Joined February 2011
United States297 Posts
January 13 2012 04:37 GMT
#66
On January 13 2012 11:03 Odal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 05:55 KeyHunt wrote:
On January 13 2012 05:47 Netsky wrote:
I think people are angry because they have an ideal that people join professional SC2 teams because they are good at SC2. This isn't the case. It seems that CheckSix isn't interested in the competitive aspect of SC2, but rather the "entertainment" aspect. Note: in quotes because there is a specific segement of the SC2 community, certainly not me.

If community continues to tune into these types of people, teams will continue this type of approach. Another team that comes to mind for this sort of is Complexity Gaming, I remember Naniwa's comment in an interview with Up Close Gamers on why he left the team that illustrates this point quite nicely - "It is the same for them if CatZ hits 5k viewers on his stream or that I place 2nd at an MLG and I did not agree with that point of view".

In this context, it's the same for CheckSix if this new pick up makes some videos as if they had a player do well at a tournament.

It's just a different way of looking at making money out of gaming, being competitive and skilled versus entertaining the masses. One approach isn't necessarily better or worse than the other.

Naniwa interview reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293251


I would say this is a decent explanation; but I wish people would look more into the "why" teams do this. There is obviously a reason right? We're not just aimlessly picking up players. Also, we're not strictly in it for "entertainment". We have great players, we have players we see potential in, we have casters, we have media people...the small return we have from others we have to make up somewhere. We sent over 30 people to MLG's last season..all of which are GM players except 1 who beat players like KawaiiRice, Demuslim, Choya, Attero and more. You know who got us the most exposure? Julia. So, as I said before we have to find a fine balance for both our sponsors, fans and ourselves. Every smart organization does this, some just have more luxury than others to make it less noticeable...trust me.



The fact that a random diamond girl got the most publicity for a pro gaming team just shows how much of a disgrace the sc2 community is. I'm honestly very disappointed. I really wish teams didn't have to have a weird balance between community figures and actual good players.


Well unfortunately the fact of the matter is that finding this balance is a necessity for most teams. The goal for a professional team in this industry is to gain sponsors. The best way to do that is to prove to sponsors you can gain them enough exposure with your organization to make the money they give to you worth their while. They want to see a return on their investment.

In Lamens: Views + publicity = exposure = sponsorship = monetary support = better players = better team.

The reality is that the current SC2 player market is quite inflated. Not every team has the budget of EG and the means to pick up players like Huk and Idra. Instead those organizations must use what funds they have to find an alternative way to make a return on their investment (in the same aspect that sponsors seek to do so). Buying top tier players who will or may post top results is not the only model to running a succesful team and is certainly not the only way to gain exposure.
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RespectTheNerd
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden64 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 21:12:02
January 13 2012 16:52 GMT
#67
On January 13 2012 05:38 KeyHunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 05:34 hmunkey wrote:
On January 13 2012 05:19 KeyHunt wrote:
Sorry guys, but not everyone can spend outrageous amounts of money on Starcraft 2 players only to see a dismal return. We have to find a happy medium between cost, return and skill. Jeff is dedicated, has drive and we see potential in his play as well as brings amazing numbers on both his stream, Youtube and other social media. A lot of you are saying there are many other players that deserve it more than him, and I would love to hear examples of that. Sure, there might be a few but most are asking for 10x what they are worth due to the split from reality that Starcraft players seem to have when talking about what they are worth. Unfortunately, most of the people commenting negatively do not see this side of the equation and don't care to...but realize that just because you don't care to see it doesn't make it a reality. You'll believe that as you see more and more teams die from spending way too much money.

Either way, to those of you we have lost as fans I apologize. May I suggest you try your own hand at making a Starcraft team to fix where you believe we have failed. Best of luck. In the meantime, we'll keep doing what we love for the players...and fans that appreciate it.

That's all understandable and all, but there are a lot of unsigned GM players who would jump at a chance to join a team like Check6 but weren't given the chance. Of course GM outside Korea doesn't really mean they're all that good at SC, but it's still a pretty big step up from what you have now.


Where is our return for picking up just random GM players? Picking up players; even those we don't send to MLG still costs...it's not exactly free.

Ok i can see where u are coming from with the economics and that but i dont see how you could call yourself a professional team if you just want players for publicity and even there its kinda idiotic there are really many good players out there who can give you more publicity if you gave them a chance, for instance the players RunA and SortOf have beaten top players many times both on ladder and in online cups but they never get a chance to be seen because they need a team to support them to get to events like MLG. I doubt it that they would like to get 6times their worth to be on a team too, most people i know would jump on the chance to join a pro team (even tought check6 dosnt seem to be much off a pro team now)
but to your logic if they want to be on a team they instead have to bm people on ladder while streaming to get your intresst because thats apperantly were this community is headed.
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YouinashouRi
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada76 Posts
January 13 2012 17:03 GMT
#68
Honestly some top master/gm players would be willing to join a pro team for free, just to practice and get exposure for themselves.
KeyHunt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States218 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-14 02:09:57
January 14 2012 02:09 GMT
#69
On January 14 2012 01:52 RespectTheNerd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 05:38 KeyHunt wrote:
On January 13 2012 05:34 hmunkey wrote:
On January 13 2012 05:19 KeyHunt wrote:
Sorry guys, but not everyone can spend outrageous amounts of money on Starcraft 2 players only to see a dismal return. We have to find a happy medium between cost, return and skill. Jeff is dedicated, has drive and we see potential in his play as well as brings amazing numbers on both his stream, Youtube and other social media. A lot of you are saying there are many other players that deserve it more than him, and I would love to hear examples of that. Sure, there might be a few but most are asking for 10x what they are worth due to the split from reality that Starcraft players seem to have when talking about what they are worth. Unfortunately, most of the people commenting negatively do not see this side of the equation and don't care to...but realize that just because you don't care to see it doesn't make it a reality. You'll believe that as you see more and more teams die from spending way too much money.

Either way, to those of you we have lost as fans I apologize. May I suggest you try your own hand at making a Starcraft team to fix where you believe we have failed. Best of luck. In the meantime, we'll keep doing what we love for the players...and fans that appreciate it.

That's all understandable and all, but there are a lot of unsigned GM players who would jump at a chance to join a team like Check6 but weren't given the chance. Of course GM outside Korea doesn't really mean they're all that good at SC, but it's still a pretty big step up from what you have now.


Where is our return for picking up just random GM players? Picking up players; even those we don't send to MLG still costs...it's not exactly free.

Ok i can see where u are coming from with the economics and that but i dont see how you could call yourself a professional team if you just want players for publicity and even there its kinda idiotic there are really many good players out there who can give you more publicity if you gave them a chance, for instance the players RunA and SortOf have beaten top players many times both on ladder and in online cups but they never get a chance to be seen because they need a team to support them to get to events like MLG. I doubt it that they would like to get 6times their worth to be on a team too, most people i know would jump on the chance to join a pro team (even tought check6 dosnt seem to be much off a pro team now)
but to your logic if they want to be on a team they instead have to bm people on ladder while streaming to get your intresst because thats apperantly were this community is headed.


There are a ton of players that deserve a chance. However, the bigger chance we take..the more likely we are to fail. We have to get players that bring the numbers either via wins or other ways to support our team and sponsors. Unfortunately, taking a chance on a few players strictly based on skill we have done for over a year in Starcraft and it hasn't worked out as well as we need ( despite doing very well I think ). Also, realize that everyone saying how our team doesn't seem "pro" anymore is proving my point. We still have Ver, Mystik, Suppy, Juan, Syckness and many more players that have done extremely well at both MLG and online..and by saying we're a team full of only media people is proving my point that people only pay attention to those with huge media attention and not those that have done consistently well in everything they have played in.

On January 14 2012 02:03 YouinashouRi wrote:
Honestly some top master/gm players would be willing to join a pro team for free, just to practice and get exposure for themselves.


Free is never actually free; trust me.
riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
January 14 2012 02:12 GMT
#70
Is this the guy who fought with Combat-Ex?
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
January 14 2012 16:54 GMT
#71
I love When Cheese Fails. Their commentary isn't always accurate, but it is always entertaining.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Kmonx
Profile Joined October 2011
United States102 Posts
January 14 2012 16:56 GMT
#72
Congrats and good luck.
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GeorgeyBeats
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom338 Posts
January 14 2012 17:06 GMT
#73
Too many people sitting on high horses here. TL isnt a totally elitist place.
Very happy for him! Best of luck in your future endeavours Check6 and Maximus!
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ElmOaid
Profile Joined June 2011
Sudan41 Posts
January 14 2012 17:39 GMT
#74
This is gonna get locked soon lol ur gonna get called for advertising. Gl and congrats on ur recruit
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
January 14 2012 17:58 GMT
#75
On January 13 2012 11:03 Odal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 05:55 KeyHunt wrote:
On January 13 2012 05:47 Netsky wrote:
I think people are angry because they have an ideal that people join professional SC2 teams because they are good at SC2. This isn't the case. It seems that CheckSix isn't interested in the competitive aspect of SC2, but rather the "entertainment" aspect. Note: in quotes because there is a specific segement of the SC2 community, certainly not me.

If community continues to tune into these types of people, teams will continue this type of approach. Another team that comes to mind for this sort of is Complexity Gaming, I remember Naniwa's comment in an interview with Up Close Gamers on why he left the team that illustrates this point quite nicely - "It is the same for them if CatZ hits 5k viewers on his stream or that I place 2nd at an MLG and I did not agree with that point of view".

In this context, it's the same for CheckSix if this new pick up makes some videos as if they had a player do well at a tournament.

It's just a different way of looking at making money out of gaming, being competitive and skilled versus entertaining the masses. One approach isn't necessarily better or worse than the other.

Naniwa interview reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293251


I would say this is a decent explanation; but I wish people would look more into the "why" teams do this. There is obviously a reason right? We're not just aimlessly picking up players. Also, we're not strictly in it for "entertainment". We have great players, we have players we see potential in, we have casters, we have media people...the small return we have from others we have to make up somewhere. We sent over 30 people to MLG's last season..all of which are GM players except 1 who beat players like KawaiiRice, Demuslim, Choya, Attero and more. You know who got us the most exposure? Julia. So, as I said before we have to find a fine balance for both our sponsors, fans and ourselves. Every smart organization does this, some just have more luxury than others to make it less noticeable...trust me.



The fact that a random diamond girl got the most publicity for a pro gaming team just shows how much of a disgrace the sc2 community is. I'm honestly very disappointed. I really wish teams didn't have to have a weird balance between community figures and actual good players.

Except Maximus is a very entertaining personality and does a lot of good work with LAGtv. I think it's unfair to lump him in the same category as Julia, who literally only received the attention she did for being female lol.

GL to maximus, hope he does well.
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sWs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States409 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 22:24:40
February 13 2012 22:23 GMT
#76
Why does x6 keep signing people that have absolutely no potential to win tournaments? I'm not trying to be BM, or be an asshole, but it just doesn't make any sense to me.

eh

this came off a little mean, good luck to you x6, and maximus. I love me some when cheese fails
@swsc2
StrikeNova
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada47 Posts
February 13 2012 22:35 GMT
#77
Im hoping to see some good games from Maximus either tournaments or against practice partners. Best of luck.
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rbkl
Profile Joined March 2010
772 Posts
February 13 2012 22:35 GMT
#78
On February 14 2012 07:23 TOdesKaMpF wrote:
Why does x6 keep signing people that have absolutely no potential to win tournaments? I'm not trying to be BM, or be an asshole, but it just doesn't make any sense to me.

eh

this came off a little mean, good luck to you x6, and maximus. I love me some when cheese fails


While winning tournaments is definitely what we are doing at heart (trust me we're trying constantly to get better), sponsors still care greatly about overall exposure; and at the end of the day they keep us afloat.
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snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
February 13 2012 22:44 GMT
#79
On February 14 2012 07:35 rbkl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 07:23 TOdesKaMpF wrote:
Why does x6 keep signing people that have absolutely no potential to win tournaments? I'm not trying to be BM, or be an asshole, but it just doesn't make any sense to me.

eh

this came off a little mean, good luck to you x6, and maximus. I love me some when cheese fails


While winning tournaments is definitely what we are doing at heart (trust me we're trying constantly to get better), sponsors still care greatly about overall exposure; and at the end of the day they keep us afloat.


well said, well said. gogo checksix!
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Dusen
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark68 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 23:02:45
February 13 2012 23:02 GMT
#80
What a joke haha.

Cant stand teams like this, ruining E-sport with your stupid media shit.
This actually makes me mad, cause i know a ton of amazing players(compared to Mr. Black at least) who is figthing to get a chance like this, and then they get overlooked for at MOST a low master.

How depressing, get your act together ffs!
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